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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:58 AM Jun 2016

I don't trust the major TV networks....

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edited to add the caption on the FB page: Learning to think critically is far more important than simply rejecting the mainstream. If you don't have critical thinking skills, you're just choosing a different source to be manipulated by.
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I don't trust the major TV networks.... (Original Post) ehrnst Jun 2016 OP
We do need to bust up the media oligarchy and stop the propaganda that can Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #1
This is why I support public radio and television. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2016 #2
NPR and Post Bush PBS? o.k. nt merrily Jun 2016 #5
Yes. Far more reliable than random YouTube channels and twitter. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2016 #7
Luckily, we don't have to limit the sources from which we get info. merrily Jun 2016 #10
Even many Dems enjoy Koch bros programming. Mika Jun 2016 #23
Why wouldn't they? merrily Jun 2016 #26
As well as comedians posing as journalists on youtube, apparently. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2016 #29
Republicans put Trump on their ticket, years of concerted efforts lead to candidate Trump Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #3
Very true, but msm certainly did all they possibly could for the cause. merrily Jun 2016 #6
I think that it's more a critique of people who rely on Youtube channels ehrnst Jun 2016 #9
I understood the cartoon. It wasn't that deep. Way too pro establishment, but not at all deep. merrily Jun 2016 #11
If you don't have critical thinking skills, you're just choosing a different source ehrnst Jun 2016 #14
If you don't have critical thinking skills, you'd probably be better off not watching the networks merrily Jun 2016 #18
By 'variety' you mean cat videos, the foil hat basement brigade, and videos of people gaming. ehrnst Jun 2016 #27
Poster, please. My meaning is patently not that. merrily Jun 2016 #28
Then what patently is it? ehrnst Jun 2016 #30
Yes, we're all biased. That is still no reason to trust 4 or 5 establishment, very wealthy sources. merrily Jun 2016 #4
I think that it's more a statement on random YouTube channels than the major media ehrnst Jun 2016 #8
I don't think a criticism of A is equitable to praise of B. LanternWaste Jun 2016 #21
Did you mean not the "equivalent" of? merrily Jun 2016 #24
Sigh. Been dealing with this so much lately. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2016 #33
Especially in the last 20 years or so, since the Telecommunication act of 1996. floriduck Jun 2016 #38
To clarify: the point of this is not praising network TV, ehrnst Jun 2016 #12
I listen to DemocracyNow! Javaman Jun 2016 #13
You can find a lot of Democracy Now on youtube. merrily Jun 2016 #25
Democracy now is a journalism source that also posts on youtube, and isn't 'random.' ehrnst Jun 2016 #34
Please remind me which network produces and airs Democracy Now? merrily Jun 2016 #37
Well that's a stupid meme that appears to be outraged at...hmmm....what exactly? nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2016 #15
Learning to think critically is far more important than simply rejecting the mainstream. ehrnst Jun 2016 #16
I understand what you're saying but I don't think there exists an epidemic of critically... ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2016 #17
I think there is. I've seen quite a bit of 'evidence' and 'proof' of something being presented ehrnst Jun 2016 #31
What specifically leads you perceive outrage? LanternWaste Jun 2016 #22
What 'outrage' are you seeing? (nt) ehrnst Jun 2016 #32
Yeah, I'm not sure we'll ever figure that one out The2ndWheel Jun 2016 #19
I always look for the source that says "three rocks," even if I really wanted it to be four rocks. ehrnst Jun 2016 #35
We don't need no stinkin' critical thinking skills. Our candidate will tell us what to do! n/t leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #20
? You can trust them to distribute and repeat propaganda. ffr Jun 2016 #36
I trust YouTube channels like TRNN and TYT far more than I trust any mainstream "news" outlet. PoliticalPothead Jun 2016 #39
"But they won't have dedicated propaganda arms in most cases, nor enough funding to... Shandris Jun 2016 #40

Dustlawyer

(10,493 posts)
1. We do need to bust up the media oligarchy and stop the propaganda that can
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 08:03 AM
Jun 2016

put the Trumpster at the head of the Republican ticket!

merrily

(45,251 posts)
10. Luckily, we don't have to limit the sources from which we get info.
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 09:15 AM
Jun 2016

It is exactly what the First Amendment cases talk about--a marketplace of ideas, through which we can sift.

Unfortunately--and this the First Amendment never contemplated--most of the larger news outlets are controlled by 5 to 7 mega corporations and the public outlets that you like are not independent of government.

 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
23. Even many Dems enjoy Koch bros programming.
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 10:42 AM
Jun 2016

Mainstream media, mainstream info.
(mainstream = establishmentarian)


merrily

(45,251 posts)
26. Why wouldn't they?
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 10:46 AM
Jun 2016

The Koch brothers were instrumental in the resounding success of the Democratic Leadership Council. Donated, sat on the Executive Council. Booyah!

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
3. Republicans put Trump on their ticket, years of concerted efforts lead to candidate Trump
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 08:28 AM
Jun 2016

and it's just wrong to paint the GOP as innocent. They did this to themselves and to the country.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
6. Very true, but msm certainly did all they possibly could for the cause.
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 08:45 AM
Jun 2016

They also do all they can to dumb us down.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
9. I think that it's more a critique of people who rely on Youtube channels
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 09:10 AM
Jun 2016

thinking that there is no bias or agenda in them than it is praise of the networks.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
14. If you don't have critical thinking skills, you're just choosing a different source
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 10:12 AM
Jun 2016

to be manipulated by.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
18. If you don't have critical thinking skills, you'd probably be better off not watching the networks
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 10:20 AM
Jun 2016

at all. The amount of slanting they do is staggering. So is the uniformity of their message. Someone without critical thinking skills would not spot any of that. However, if they watch 50 different you tube videos, they would, if nothing else, at least be exposed to a variety of viewpoints.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
27. By 'variety' you mean cat videos, the foil hat basement brigade, and videos of people gaming.
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 11:20 AM
Jun 2016

Variety of viewpoints untarnished by any requirements to be accurate in the claims they make.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
28. Poster, please. My meaning is patently not that.
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 11:22 AM
Jun 2016

I don't know what you hoped a post like that would accomplish, but, if you have to resort to making up silly stuff, clearly you don't have much more to say to me on this topic that is worth my reading. Enjoy your day.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
30. Then what patently is it?
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 11:26 AM
Jun 2016

Critical thinking means way more than just rejecting establishment lies.

It means that you also apply it to any other source, no matter if there is "more variety" of lies and biases.

Just because they aren't journalists held to a standard of accuracy doesn't mean they are credible.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
4. Yes, we're all biased. That is still no reason to trust 4 or 5 establishment, very wealthy sources.
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 08:42 AM
Jun 2016

Anyone remember the networks helping Bushco run up to the Iraq War?

How about when every Sunday talking head show had a panicky Paulson urging that Congress pass the bailout the next day?

Yeah, I don't want to hear anyone on youtube or a message board giving me the arguments against any of that shet.

Sorry, I have to wonder about that cartoonist.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
8. I think that it's more a statement on random YouTube channels than the major media
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 09:08 AM
Jun 2016

and the foil hats that rely on youtube.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
21. I don't think a criticism of A is equitable to praise of B.
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 10:40 AM
Jun 2016

I don't think a criticism of A is equitable to praise of B (which is actually a logical fallacy called 'argumentum ad consequentiam').

merrily

(45,251 posts)
24. Did you mean not the "equivalent" of?
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 10:43 AM
Jun 2016

Perhaps you could give me a direct quote the words I used to claim one was the equivalent of the other?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
12. To clarify: the point of this is not praising network TV,
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 09:16 AM
Jun 2016

It is about people who won't apply the same critical thought to youTube channels that they do to Network Television.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
34. Democracy now is a journalism source that also posts on youtube, and isn't 'random.'
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 11:34 AM
Jun 2016

Which is proof not everything that has an editorial process is tainted by the establishment.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
37. Please remind me which network produces and airs Democracy Now?
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 11:39 AM
Jun 2016

While you're at it, please remind me where I said everything that airs anywhere has an establishment bias? Or anything remotely like that?

As far as "random," I have no clue what you are talking about.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
16. Learning to think critically is far more important than simply rejecting the mainstream.
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 10:15 AM
Jun 2016

If you don't have critical thinking skills, you're just choosing a different source to be manipulated by.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
17. I understand what you're saying but I don't think there exists an epidemic of critically...
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 10:20 AM
Jun 2016

...thinking people out there who suspend their critical thinking for youtube personalities. I'm just as skeptical/cynical of youtubers as I am about any other source of opinion or information.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
31. I think there is. I've seen quite a bit of 'evidence' and 'proof' of something being presented
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 11:28 AM
Jun 2016

both here and on facebook, that consist of someone on youtube ranting.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
19. Yeah, I'm not sure we'll ever figure that one out
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 10:33 AM
Jun 2016

Everything gets seen through our own subjective eyes. Two people can agree(as long as they speak the same language, and have the same number system, etc) that there are 3 rocks in front of them. That's a fact. Where the trouble starts is those same people can think of different reasons why there are only 3 rocks. Why shouldn't there be 2? Why can't there be 4? Who decided on 3? What were their motives? Was there anyone that decided on it? Is it 3 because it's always been 3? Or is it 3 because that's just how it randomly happened? Should we allow 3? Should only 1 rock be legal? Should we take the rocks? Can we take the rocks? Do they already belong to someone else? What if they come around looking for their stuff? If we take the rocks, should we both get 1.5 rocks? If I carry 2, should I get to keep 2? One of the rocks is bigger than the other 2, so what does that mean?

Now multiply that by a few billion people, and we can see why we can't agree on much.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
35. I always look for the source that says "three rocks," even if I really wanted it to be four rocks.
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 11:36 AM
Jun 2016

REEEEALLLLY wanted it to be four rocks. That's critical thought.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
40. "But they won't have dedicated propaganda arms in most cases, nor enough funding to...
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:54 PM
Jun 2016

...fund a small civil war just to spend on a deceptive 30 second piece."

Well, now that that's cleared up. Here's a hint: If you're drawing your philosophy from meme pictures, you're already under someone else's influence. Have a nice day.

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