FDR and Teddy Roosevelt argue over who Bernie is more like

[packman]

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A humorous, good-natured argument ---

ANOTHER DIMENSION OF EXISTENCE, THE UNIVERSE — The disembodied, paranormal apparitions of Theodore and Franklin Delano Roosevelt were recently observed by reporters in another dimension of existence arguing over who Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders is most like.

“Well I do say, Franklin,” Teddy was overheard telling his fifth-cousin, “Bernie is like me! He is clearly unafraid to take on the corruption of our capitalist system that has taken root in the American government. He is certainly most like me, no matter how much like you he may be.”

FDR was said to have laughed a hearty laugh and slapped Teddy on the back before responding.

“I will not deny that his fervor and tenacity for taking on the financiers that have gotten their meat hooks into every level of government makes him quite the TR in the offing,” Franklin said, “but dear cousin, Bernie is very clearly a New Deal Democrat.” FDR pointed to Sanders’ stance on raising the minimum wage to a living wage as a prime example. “You know, down there Republicans are trying to claim the minimum wage wasn’t ever meant to support a family, but that’s because they don’t actually get taught about what I said about the minimum wage as I signed it"

http://www.politicalgarbagechute.com/roosevelt-ghosts-argue-bernie-sanders-like/

[Chasstev365]

1. Love It!

[merrily]

2. During the primary, Bernie gave a wonderful speech about FDR's programs.

It was at a college or university, but I can't remember which one.

[seabeckind]

4. It does seem like we're at the high point of a gilded age, doesn't it? n/t

[FreakinDJ]

3. Epic True Democrats

[seabeckind]

5. But, but... Teddy wasn't a democrat.

But he walked the walk.

[LanternWaste]

6. Other than the collective totality of his imperial foreign policies.

"he walked the walk..."

Other than the collective totality of his imperial foreign policies.

[seabeckind]

9. That was the general attitude of the country.

Generally. (Manifest destiny)

It seems to me that taking on the corporations and doing the trust busting more than made up for this policy.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

8. Teddy was anti-immigration.

That's not walking the walk.

[Javaman]

12. except when he slipped into his well known jingoism.

other than that, he seemed to actually care about the people of this nation.

[pangaia]

7. I hope Sec Clinton reads this and ponders it.

The truths ensconced in this little imagined discussion, if shouted from the rooftops and fully supported, would go a long way toward taking control of the entire federal government, not to mention state and more local governments.

[LWolf]

10. lol

That's funny, refreshing, and pointed at the same time.

It's also telling...two Roosevelts, two cousins, two parties; neither perfect, neither angels, but both with something to say about workers and working.

[seabeckind]

11. Interesting exercise to glean the reasons for their attitudes.

I thin both came from a most privileged background yet each seemed to have empathy for those struggling.

Tho I don't have time to dig into the reasons it would satisfy some curiosity.

I think the Kennedys were somewhat the same. I have absolutely no doubt that JFKs experiences during WW2 had an impact on his attitudes. But I don't know if that was the proximate cause or did something predate it?

RFK seemed to be of the same mindset.

I think Teddy's acorn fell a little farther from that tree but still had the pedigree.

Just a ramble. No matter.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

13. ....

[niyad]

14. on teddy roosevelt:

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But Obama’s appropriation of Roosevelt’s record repeats a classic politician’s mistake of trying to fit the past to suit the present. This effort invariably distorts both.Roosevelt’s policies were motivated by Victorian prejudices that we would find uncomfortable today. He saw life as a struggle between the courageous and the weak – different personality types that he often categorised by race. White people of European descent were like gods; the rest were lesser breeds without the law. Roosevelt once said of Native Americans: ‘I don’t go so far as to think that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe nine out of ten are, and I shouldn’t like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth.’ To him Native Americans were a degenerate impediment to settlement of the American West; they deserved their near-extinction. So too did whites who threatened the prosperity of their race. Roosevelt wrote in 1914: ‘Criminals should be sterilized and feeble-minded persons forbidden to leave offspring behind them.’

Roosevelt argued that government should reflect what he defined as the twin characteristics of the ‘white genius’: compassion and virility. Where Obama has expanded federal power in order to reform society, Roosevelt saw big government as an end in itself. After he left office he said: ‘I believe in power … The biggest [presidential] matters I managed without consultation with anyone, for when a matter is of capital importance, it is well to have it handled by one man only … I don’t think that any harm comes from the concentration of power in one man’s hands.’

Roosevelt personified his power-hungry ideology. In March 1909 he turned a safari in East Africa into a gruesome massacre. Roosevelt and his party killed or trapped more than 11,397 animals, from insects to elephants. They slaughtered 512 big game beasts, including six rare white rhinos. His self-conscious bravado sometimes transformed him into a superman. In 1912 he launched a third run for the presidency on a progressive ‘Bull Moose’ party ticket. During a tour of Wisconsin he was shot in the chest by an assassin. As he was not coughing up blood Roosevelt deduced that the bullet had not punctured a lung and so carried on speaking. ‘Ladies and gentlemen,’ he said, ‘I don’t know whether you fully understand that I have just been shot; but it takes more than that to kill a Bull Moose!’ Ninety minutes later he concluded his talk and strolled to the nearest hospital.

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- See more at: http://www.historytoday.com/tim-stanley/contrarian-teddy-roosevelt-laid-bare#sthash.4PaLWwg9.dpuf

[Uncle Joe]

15. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, packman.

[niyad]

16. teddy roosevelt on the indigenous peoples:

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The following year, Theodore Roosevelt delivered a Lowell Institute Lecture in Boston, Massachusetts, in which he defends the government’s treatment of Indians:

“This continent had to be won. We need not waste our time in dealing with any sentimentalist who believes that, on account of any abstract principle, it would have been right to leave this continent to the domain, the hunting ground of squalid savages. It had to be taken by the white race.”

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With regard to Indians, in 1901 President Theodore Roosevelt stated:

“In my judgment the time has arrived when we should definitely make up our minds to recognize the Indian as an individual and not as a member of a tribe. The General Allotment Act is a mighty pulverizing engine to break up the tribal mass.”

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As President. 1903:

In his book The Winning of the West, President Theodore Roosevelt wrote:

“The truth is, the Indians never had any real title to the soil.”

He compared Indian rights to the land with those of cattle ranchers trying to keep immigrants off their vast unfenced ranges.

President Theodore Roosevelt visited the Grand Canyon in Arizona. He rode down into the canyon and found Havasupai families headed by Yavñmi’ Gswedva (Dangling Beard) and Burro living at Indian Garden. Then President Roosevelt spoke to Gswedva (also called Big Jim) and informed him, through an interpreter, of the federal government’s intent to locate a park for the American people on Gswedva’s and Burro’s garden lands below the rim. Roosevelt urged the Indians to vacate the area so that American tourists could enjoy it.
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