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Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:28 PM

I am so frustrated...Re: gun control

So here we are again! When will we learn? When will we value lives over money?

Just to recap:

First recorded mass shooting was at a school all the way back to 1764 in which 10 people were killed.
Until 1998 there were 7 mass school shootings in the history of the US. Since then, over a 100!

In 1966 Charles Whitman killed 18 from the tower of the University of Texas and we as a nation couldn't believe it. Few of us had ever heard of anything like that happening.

Thirty years ago those going to a McDonald's in California had their lunch upended in a Mass shooting

killing 27 and we held a moment of silence

only to be interrupted by the volley of the rounds of the next major mass shooting: patrons in a cafeteria in Texas were gunned down killing 23

and we had a moment of silence to be awakened again by the mass shooting at Columbine
killing 15

and that familiar pattern emerges and we wring our hands and watch in horror when 32 sons and daughters die as their parents send them off to get a degree at college.

We talk a good talk and let the momentum die as we grieve over what might have been for the 27 little innocents murdered at a grade school in Newtown, CT

and all the tears and vigils did nothing except make us collectively despair!

we shake our heads and mourn over the shooting deaths of 6 children of the Amish peace community of Nickel Mine, PA and we rage...

and once again we stare at the tv, pray, head to vigils in response to the worst mass shooting ever but will this time be the straw that breaks the malaise of the collective body?

We have more guns than people, we have had 988 Mass shootings since Newton, we have the life and promise of 89 people EACH DAY end. 11,200 people are murdered each year and an additional 21,100 die from guns each year

Other civilized nations look at us and wonder...

We have had mass shootings at post offices, grade schools, high schools, colleges, theaters, fast food places, military installations, houses of worship!

What's it gonna take...outrage, activism, perhaps a general strike....most of all we need to be supporting those who are advocating for gun control and remembering to vote out those who accept the NRA bribes!

Now is the time, it was the time years ago, it is past time....yes grieve, keep up with the prayers and vigils but make life politically uncomfortable for those who live at the NRA teat... get this done! GUN CONTROL NOW!!!!


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Reply I am so frustrated...Re: gun control (Original post)
gopiscrap Jun 2016 OP
scscholar Jun 2016 #1
shadowrider Jun 2016 #2
JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #4
JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #3
shadowrider Jun 2016 #5
JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #6
Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #8
shadowrider Jun 2016 #10
Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #14
shadowrider Jun 2016 #15
XRubicon Jun 2016 #7
Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #9
XRubicon Jun 2016 #11
shadowrider Jun 2016 #16
XRubicon Jun 2016 #17
Post removed Jun 2016 #19
XRubicon Jun 2016 #25
gopiscrap Jun 2016 #28
librarylu Jun 2016 #27
Hoyt Jun 2016 #24
NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #18
sanatanadharma Jun 2016 #12
friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #26
onehandle Jun 2016 #13
Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #20
gopiscrap Jun 2016 #22
onehandle Jun 2016 #21
gopiscrap Jun 2016 #23

Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:32 PM

1. It's sad how Repubolicans think due process...

 

is more important than children.

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Response to scscholar (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:37 PM

2. Ok. I'll play.

What happens when a Hard Core Right Wing Republican is elected and decides all left wing people posting on an anonymous message board need to be identified and jailed, with NO due process?

Are you for that, or against it? Keep in mind, a denial of ANY right, with no due process is a very, very slippery slope.

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Response to shadowrider (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:41 PM

4. Then it is evil again.

We need to remember how partisans think:

My side infringes on right X for goal Y: GOOD

Their side infringes on right X for goal Z: EVIL!!!!

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Response to scscholar (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:37 PM

3. Some of us Dems still have respect for the constitution and due process of law, btw.

A lot of us remember the Bush years when lack of due process for no fly lists was unconscionable.

But when Dems do it it is okay?

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:41 PM

5. Sometimes I just shake my head. n/t

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Response to shadowrider (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:42 PM

6. As do I, at fellow citizens' lack of respect for the rule of law and protection of civil liberties.

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Response to shadowrider (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:49 PM

8. Me too

 

Why didn't the Dems vote for the Republican amendments if they wanted to do at least something?

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:52 PM

10. Because they have a R after their name, and we have a D n/t

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Response to shadowrider (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:58 PM

14. So you admit nothing is better than something

 

And politics Trump's saving lives, so sick

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:59 PM

15. That's about it.

One must be on one side of the fence, the opposition on the other.

It's all or nothing.

Sadly, it's nothing rather than being seen as "co-operating" with the other side.

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Response to scscholar (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:47 PM

7. Citizens have a right to bear arms

Not every kind of arms.

People on the no fly list should not be able to buy certain classes of weapons. (don't try the nomenclature bull on me either- that is tired old crap). Semi automatic long guns and pistols.

That would be a start. Then apply it to everyone.

How's that for due process?


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Response to XRubicon (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:52 PM

9. Not even close

 

Due process to challenge your list and your accuser. Hard to do if it is a secret Bush list that an anonymous person just adds you to.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:53 PM

11. If you are allowed to buy a gun how have you been denied due process?

It's called "regulation"

as in "well regulated militia."

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Response to XRubicon (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 08:01 PM

16. Oh jeez, this again

"Well-regulated" back in the day meant well functioning and trained.

Applying modern definitions to words of yesterday simply confuse the issue.

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Response to shadowrider (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 08:02 PM

17. How are you denied your right if you allowed to buy a gun

Just not any gun you want though?

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Response to Post removed (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 08:28 PM

25. Do you have the star spangled banner playing on repeat in your basement?

You are free to buy a gun, just not any kind of gun you want.

You gun people are feeling it tonight eh? Hitting a little too close, something may actually happen.

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Response to XRubicon (Reply #25)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 09:22 PM

28. I agree

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Response to Post removed (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 09:05 PM

27. Get.

Another. Hobby.

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Response to shadowrider (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 08:24 PM

24. These losers aren't "well functioning and trained" under any gun fancier's definition.



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Response to scscholar (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 08:03 PM

18. Lovejoy's Law Fallacy. nt

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:54 PM

12. Gun violence is a public health issue

All illegally acquired, possessed and used guns were originally in the hands of legal gun wielders; manufacture, sale, resale, lost & stolen.
The legal gun world is the problem.

When one is dangerously contagious, civil rights are violated by forced quarantine.
The 2nd amendment is the scratch on America's heart that is infected and festered by the dirty hands of the NRAterrorist mis-leaders.

Gun violence is a public health issue
Gun violence is carried by gun wielders
Until our leaders figure out what is going on in this country, gun wielders need to be profiled and quarantined,
until shown that they are not a public health risk

Uncomfortable truth, many causes of gun violence...

...but only one constant, the wielder of the gun!

Perhaps the wielder of the gun...
...didn't know it was loaded
...didn't expect the bullet to go through the wall
...thought the backyard shooting range was safe
...was radicalized by ISIS
...never expected the kids to find it
...was radicalized by Christian LGBT hate sermons
...woke from a PTSD dream to find a dead wife
...was radicalized by racist, sexist, homophobic, misogynist, conspiracy deluded neighbors
...was mentally unbalanced
...was jaded by onscreen violence and sought a better 'rush'
...was radicalized by NRAterrorist leaders
...needed a bigger ego
...needed to blow out own ego's brains
...needed to take vengeance on the rival gang
...forgot the gun in the privy
...is the gang banger who found the gun

WHATEVER- the gun is the constant
The wielders of the gun change
Gun worship is the constant

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Response to sanatanadharma (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 09:01 PM

26. "gun wielders need to be profiled and quarantined" Fuck that police-state fantasy, and shame...

...on you for even posting it here

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 07:57 PM

13. Extreme conservative GOP gun nuts must have their penis replacements.

'What's a few kindergarteners and gays, when it comes to freedumb?' they say.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 08:06 PM

20. So why didn't the Dems vote for the less than

 

Perfect Republican amendments, I guess nothing is better than doing at least something that could have saved lives, right?

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Response to onehandle (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 08:12 PM

22. Exactly

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 08:11 PM

21. The worst ones are the pseudo-Libertarian ones.

They claim to be Democrats, but stand with Republicans.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #21)

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 08:12 PM

23. No kidding

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