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and excessive concentrations of power at a federal level, to the detriment of the 99%?
Governmental policies by neoliberals et al. world-wide have enriched the 1%, to no good end, while the rest of us suffer.
The 1%-owned media spin has worked hard to tie Brexit, the Sanders revolution, and anything else the 1% finds inconvenient to racism. Even on NPR, the slant all day long was how no one wants Brexit; not one voice mentioned any possible contrary view, other than one xenophobe who'd doubtless vote for Trump were he in the US. NO discussion of the more or less recent experiences of Ireland and Greece v. Iceland.
But as a non-"mainstream" commentator has put it:
The ruling class across Europe has been dealt a massive blow by the vote of the UK to leave the European Union.
This was a working class revolt against the establishment. . . . Jeremy Corbyn and the trade union movement should demand a general election is held immediately, and take up the frustrations felt by ordinary people at insecure work, zero hour contracts, job losses, cuts and austerity. Corbyn should cut across the racism of the Tories and UKIP by standing on socialist policies and renationalising rail, electricity, gas, post and other key industries.
https://coventrysocialists.com/2016/...at-referendum/
We're all part of a larger system, but subsystems with semi-autonomy may be another kind of helpful check-and-balance. There needs to be a degree of local flexibility and accountability. Once any organization (a corporation, nation, union, etc.) becomes too large, the top and bottom of the decisional trees lose contact; there's less transparency and accountability and, as Assange might put it, the organization's computational I.Q. is degraded. And the organization becomes more susceptible to hijacking by sociopaths.
C.f. Greece, Iceland, et al.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)It's anti-immigrant is one reason. Any other reasons?
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)Tom Cotton ?@TomCottonAR 6m6 minutes ago
The British people exercised their sovereign right of self-government to leave EU. The U.S. stands with them, now more than ever.
pampango
(24,692 posts)Not sure what the point is here.
snot
(10,515 posts)with disastrous consequences to everyone except the 1%; among other things.
pampango
(24,692 posts)Trump and Farage do not.
sendero
(28,552 posts).... wrong.
pampango
(24,692 posts)RelativelyJones
(898 posts)People have had it with huge "meta" bureaucracies that don't obviously make their lives better. And it must be obvious. People outside of London did not see the upside of EU membership. The Left on both sides of the Atlantic has to look hard at this. It is pure idiocy, and intellectually lazy, to say it is all about racism. It isn't (even if loons like Farage might make you think so).
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)>>>>It is pure idiocy, and intellectually lazy, to say it is all about racism.>>>>>
There's an emotional over-investment in the R word that crowds out the capacity for critical thinking.
pampango
(24,692 posts)Isn't that called "triangulation" when we don't like it? "Smart politics" when we do like it?
RelativelyJones
(898 posts)The desire to have more control over one's economic future is only owned by the right-wing if we allow it.
pampango
(24,692 posts)Trump hopes that many Americans agree with you in November.
RelativelyJones
(898 posts)But if we let UKIP and Trump frame the economic argument against globalization then we have failed. This is still a battlefield.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)It's a white revolt.
pampango
(24,692 posts)joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)RelativelyJones
(898 posts)The UK has a very large population from SE Asia and the West Indies. And, for the most part, an integrated one.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Thanks.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)joshcryer
(62,269 posts)He's not a racist bigot like those who voted for Brexit are.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)The view that the EU is bad workers is oversimplistic and wrong.
On a larger scale, there are issues that need to be tackled by a supranational entity. Imagine the US without the Federal government, for example.
ananda
(28,854 posts).. but the far right anti-immigrant, anti-multicultural groups
were pushing for leave.
That is what worries me the most.
I don't see how any of this has a good outcome.
snot
(10,515 posts)I.e., the only "framing" has been in terms of xenophobia.
sendero
(28,552 posts).. the co-opted media tell you the truth, EVER.
They're not going to start now. This was obviously SOME about immigration but like most issues it was mostly about "it's the economy , stupid".
And being tired of tossing Democracy out the window in favor of unelected bureaucrats in Brussels.
randome
(34,845 posts)Putting something this complex up to a vote was an immense blunder. People tend to vote for their own interests, without seeing the larger picture.
And now "the economy, stupid" is going to be worse for some time to come. So how does Brexit make things better? It doesn't.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)something about " cutting off one's nose to spite their face",,,,,,,,,?