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The Brexit vote is non-binding so can't the UK just ignore it or run it again? (Original Post) Renew Deal Jun 2016 OP
I''m not certain... CherokeeDem Jun 2016 #1
So just keep holding the election over and over until they get the desired result? Just reading posts Jun 2016 #2
This was UKIP's plan so why not Renew Deal Jun 2016 #10
Found it... Renew Deal Jun 2016 #16
The referendum fits great into the hip pocket for negotiations with the EU. roamer65 Jun 2016 #3
There it is! Right there! Boom! nt MADem Jun 2016 #18
I was wondering the same thing, and... TreasonousBastard Jun 2016 #4
I don't think parliament does *have to* "do the Prop 50 thing"; it's a 'royal prerogative' muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #9
The MPs, and the Tory party members, will insist on the exit happening muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #5
Any truth to the claim that Boris really wanted Remain to win, in your opinion? (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #7
Boris wanted the side he was on to win, because Boris wants to be PM muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #11
It was a non-binding vote gratuitous Jun 2016 #6
Legally they probably could. Politically it would be suicide. No politician is proposing that. n/t pampango Jun 2016 #8
David Cameron has resigned and will be out of office by August Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #12
Here's a good summary. Bleacher Creature Jun 2016 #13
Brexit: Shocked EU tells Britain to leave quickly amid 'chain reaction' fears Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #14
The German governments operating style "however painful that process may be" Renew Deal Jun 2016 #15
The EU government wants to get it over fast before the EU unravels like an old sweater. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #17
Legally, yes. Politically, no. brooklynite Jun 2016 #19
Frankly with the hyperbole and hysteria Aerows Jun 2016 #20
Who are those people? Renew Deal Jun 2016 #21
The EU has a hell of a lot more to lose Aerows Jun 2016 #22

CherokeeDem

(3,709 posts)
1. I''m not certain...
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 07:22 PM
Jun 2016

However, I did read a brief comment that Parliment would have to approve it. With Cameron resigning, I don't know.

 

Just reading posts

(688 posts)
2. So just keep holding the election over and over until they get the desired result?
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 07:23 PM
Jun 2016

And at that point say, "OK.....this time it counts!"

Not the most democratic notion.

roamer65

(36,739 posts)
3. The referendum fits great into the hip pocket for negotiations with the EU.
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 07:24 PM
Jun 2016

I am reading already that the EU is considering associate member status for the UK. That would be a much better fit for Britain.

Nothing wrong with doing it a a'la carte with the UK. Give Scotland what they want and England what they want.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
4. I was wondering the same thing, and...
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 07:27 PM
Jun 2016

now that many of the assholes who voted for it are having second thoughts, maybe they could have a redo, preferably requiring 60%, or more, for exit.

Anyway, Parliament has to do the Prop 50 thing, which no one has done before, so maybe they can screw that up enough until the whole thing blows over.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,158 posts)
9. I don't think parliament does *have to* "do the Prop 50 thing"; it's a 'royal prerogative'
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 07:34 PM
Jun 2016

which means the PM makes the decision himself.

Cameron had vowed during the campaign that if there was a Brexit vote, he would trigger article 50, the part of the Lisbon treaty that sets in train a two-year process whereby a member state can notify the EU council of its decision to leave.

Constitutionally, it is a decision for him alone, not parliament, since it is a matter of the royal prerogative. At the same time, nothing can stop parliament passing a motion that seeks to instruct him not to trigger article 50.

Cameron’s statement in the campaign that he would trigger article 50 immediately in the wake of a Brexit vote was made to dramatise the irreversibility of Brexit. But many sceptics, including Michael Gove, Daniel Hannan and Lord Howard, stressed it would be quite wrong to act in such haste. Once article 50 is triggered, the clock starts ticking on a two year renegotiation with the EU that must end with the UK’s ejection unless the EU member states unanimously agree to extend the negotiations.

It was significant that Cameron in his resignation statement said any exit negotiation strategy would take time to be developed, and involve consultations with the governments of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. He stressed “it is right the new prime minister takes the decision about when to trigger article 50 and start the formal and legal process of leaving the EU.”

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/britain-has-voted-to-leave-the-eu-what-happens-next

If Cameron, or his successor, screws around with this, the Commons can hold a vote of no confidence, or the Tories can sack him as leader, so he will, in practice, need the support of his MPs.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,158 posts)
5. The MPs, and the Tory party members, will insist on the exit happening
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 07:28 PM
Jun 2016

Well over half of Tory voters want it, and probably over half of Tory MPs would have supported it, if the party leader and the majority of the Cabinet hadn't sided with Remain. They can remove Cameron, or any successor, if they turn round and say "screw the result".

muriel_volestrangler

(101,158 posts)
11. Boris wanted the side he was on to win, because Boris wants to be PM
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 07:38 PM
Jun 2016

He chose Leave, possibly because he judged he'd dominate the likely Tory successors on that side. If he'd gone with Leave, he'd be competing with Osborne and May, at a time of Cameron's choosing. I don't think he'd have a particular liking for Remain - as someone pointed out, he as a journalist had a large responsibility for the spread of anti-EU scare stories in the 90s.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
6. It was a non-binding vote
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 07:29 PM
Jun 2016

And Parliament is under no compulsion to follow the vote. All quite true. There also seems to be some immediate Brexit regret ("We didn't think it would actually pass!&quot , and even if the government follows through, there is some lag time built in. It's not going to happen today or tomorrow, or even in the next few months. There's also the problem of an out-and-out lie concerning what would happen to the country's contribution to the EU, and that might affect the perception of a lot of folks.

You point out the closeness of the vote, and that's a problem for any political victor seeking to claim a mandate (excluding, as always, our late experience with the thin margin of the 2004 election) for sweeping change. I think that after the initial hoopla, the Brits will take a deep breath, calm themselves down, and lay out a plan that will try to chart a sensible path. For now, the UK will remain in the EU, and the knee-jerk reaction will even itself out.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
12. David Cameron has resigned and will be out of office by August
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 08:06 PM
Jun 2016

He already committed political suicide.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
14. Brexit: Shocked EU tells Britain to leave quickly amid 'chain reaction' fears
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 08:16 PM
Jun 2016
Brexit: Shocked EU tells Britain to leave quickly amid 'chain reaction' fears
German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande led calls for the European Union to reform in order to survive a traumatic divorce with Britain.

In a sign that the bloc wants to move on swiftly, EU chiefs told Britain in a strongly-worded joint statement to "give effect to this decision of the British people as soon as possible, however painful that process may be".

The uncompromising stance came after Prime Minister David Cameron said he would resign and leave the negotiations on Britain's departure from the 28-nation club to a successor who will be named by October.

Now that Britain has decided to go, the EU wants to make sure the screen door doesn't hit them on the way out.

Renew Deal

(81,803 posts)
15. The German governments operating style "however painful that process may be"
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 08:38 PM
Jun 2016

They don't care about anyone else

brooklynite

(93,878 posts)
19. Legally, yes. Politically, no.
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 10:26 PM
Jun 2016

The BREXIT referendum was a mechanism by Cameron to keep a large Euroskeptic rump group in his Party in line for the last election (think Boehner and the Tea Party). If he reneged, his Government would never survive.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
22. The EU has a hell of a lot more to lose
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 10:42 PM
Jun 2016

without the UK than the UK does without the EU. I realize that it is popular today to fearmonger that this is the end of the world as we know it, but in two years, once the exit has completed, I'm certain the UK won't be the only ones to leave.

It's hysteria for hysteria's sake. When the UK did not join the monetary union, that was supposed to be the end of the British economy then, too. Boy, that sure ended up being the case, didn't it?

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