I want...

[cherokeeprogressive]

UNIVERSAL background checks for EVERY transfer of EVERY gun. Even if they're legacy guns like the ones I own... which were passed down to me because I was the ONLY son, nephew, and grandson.

Safe Storage laws that put every gun owner in the position of being liable for their guns 24/7 and exposing gun owners to manslaughter charges if their gun is unattended and becomes the vehicle for injury to someone who picks it up.

A SAME DAY requirement to report guns not in their locked storage as stolen and matching indictments for gun owners and criminals for guns used in crimes but not reported stolen. Don't report your gun as stolen? Used in a murder? You're a murderer.

Since ammunition is the next target of anti-gunners... a SAME DAY requirement to report theft of any and all ammunition.

Some kind of marking on every case identifying its lot number.

[spanone]

1. K&R...

[LongtimeAZDem]

2. I want habitual speeders to be charged with attempted murder

Same goes for those who run red lights.
For first-time offense, speeders should be fined $100 for every mile per hour over the limit; second offense, 1 day in jail for every mile per hour over the limit. Third offense, see above.
Texting while driving should be treated like DWI.

Lets enact both your policies and mine, and see how many live we save in a year. Fair enough?

[REP]

3. Tailgating made a felony

[LongtimeAZDem]

5. +1

Assault with a deadly weapon

[NuclearDem]

7. Not using your damned turn signal made a capital offense.

[LongtimeAZDem]

11. I wouldn't go that far, but I relate to the sentiment :)

Someone once tried to convince me to get a BMW.

I said, "Nah; for that much money, I want a car with a calibrated speedometer and working turn signals." He didn't get it.

[cherokeeprogressive]

4. Let's enact both your policies and mine, and see how many lives are saved in a year.

K.

The pendulum will swing. The anti-gunners hope it swings so far they can ban guns. Think it will swing so far in the case of cars killing people they can ban cars?

Think.

[LongtimeAZDem]

6. I said nothing about banning cars

I merely called for real penalties for unlawful behavior that endangers the public, and causes thousands of deaths per year.

I am tired of deaths that result from idiots driving at excessive speed being called "accidents".

[Nye Bevan]

9. "Texting while driving should be treated like DWI"

I know you're being flippant, but that one I actually agree with. Texting while driving is just as dangerous as DUI and should be punished accordingly.

[LongtimeAZDem]

14. Actually, I'm not really being flippant

I drive the speed limit. Every time.

When I get on the road, I am put in danger by people who, while I'm sure they complain about other people who break the law, couldn't care less about it themselves.

We have about as many deaths per year from car crashes as we do from gun homicides, but nobody is breaking down any doors to do anything about it.

I hear a lot of "if you were a victim of gun violence, you'd want gun control." Well, I've lost loved ones to idiot drivers, and I'm sick of people clutching their pearls about one type of violence, while ignoring another.

And yeah, texting while driving is Driving While Impaired.

[Cassiopeia]

10. Fair enough.

Possession of a weapon not registered to you, 20 years first offense. Felony charge, no gun ever again. Caught with any gun after your 20 year term. You get life. You don't get a 3rd chance.

[jtx]

12. Felons cannot own a gun. Already law.

18 U.S.C.A. § 922 - This federal law applies to all sales of all firearms and ammunition.

(d) It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person--

(1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;

(2) is a fugitive from justice;

(3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));

(4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;

(5) who, being an alien--(A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or(B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26)));

(6) who has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;

(7) who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his citizenship;

(8) is subject to a court order that restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that--(A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received actual notice, and at which such person had the opportunity to participate; and(B)(i) includes a finding that such person represents a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child; or(ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or

(9) has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.This subsection shall not apply with respect to the sale or disposition of a firearm or ammunition to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector who pursuant to subsection (b) of section 925 of this chapter is not precluded from dealing in firearms or ammunition, or to a person who has been granted relief from disabilities pursuant to subsection (c) of section 925 of this chapter. (This last provision allows the person to dispose of their firearms by selling them to a dealer.)

[LongtimeAZDem]

13. Again, enact that policy as well; see which approach saves more lives.

I obey the law; I have nothing to worry about.

[jtx]

16. Out of curiosity -

how many people would you estimate will be need to be incarcerated?
We already have the most people locked up in prison in the whole world, just curious how many more we need to make room for. With 100 million gun owners, would locking up 5% be enough? 25%?

[LongtimeAZDem]

17. Couldn't say; I'm not advocating that here. I'm agreeing for comparison.

I live in one of the most gun-friendly states in the U.S., and I have never had occasion to be personally threatened by a firearm. I am put in danger by irresponsible drivers every single day.

[jtuck004]

18. "I obey the law; I have nothing to worry about." < Iirc, I read that on a tombstone in CO. n/t

[LongtimeAZDem]

20. Yeah, I know; I just wasn't going to take the bait from her post (nt)

[Martin Eden]

22. Not fair, just stupid.

The car analogy is bogus, always has been. Guns are nowhere near as regulated as cars.

[LongtimeAZDem]

23. I'm not advancing it as an analogy

Over 10,000 people are killed by cars every year, but attempts to get people to stop diving like idiots are laughed at.

[Martin Eden]

24. If it doesn't work as analogy, then your point is lost.

Drivers lose their licenses for a number of offenses, and can face criminal prosecution. No discussion makes sense without getting down to specifics. For example, I have a great driving record for safety and I am a habitual speeder. Where I live, if you drive at or just below the speed limit you are a traffic hazard because the vast majority of vehicles are going considerably faster.

How does that correlate to someone who sells guns off the books to gangbangers? That is essentially what it boils down to if gun owners are under no obligation to register sales or report stolen guns.

To be fair, I think the OP did go a little overboard with charges filed if guns which were allegedly stolen are not reported on the same day. That simply doesn't fit all real world circumstances for responsible gun owners who have not made an illegal sale.

We're all better off if overzealousness and hyperbole do not characterize discussions on important issues that profoundly affect public safety.

[LongtimeAZDem]

25. "if you drive at or just below the speed limit you are a traffic hazard"

I hear that same lame argument from speeders all the time trying to justify their illegal, dangerous behavior. "Everybody else was doing it" is no excuse.

My whole point boils down to this: people want law enforcement and in the name of public safety, but only for the laws they don't violate. I'm tired of the hypocrisy.

[Martin Eden]

26. It's the truth, not hypocrisy.

If speed limits were enforced, going the speed limit wouldn't constitute a traffic hazard. I'd be perfectly happy with that.

Which, of course, says next to nothing about what constitutes reasonable regulations to improve public safety on the issue of guns.

[Martin Eden]

29. Furthermore, the real topic of the OP ...

... is what laws make sense and should be established.

[Cassiopeia]

8. All completely within the limits of the 2nd as well.

You can own a firearm, but you must obey the laws.

[flvegan]

15. I like where you started.

But lets talk about it...

Someone takes my handgun at gunpoint. I'm liable?

Someone steals my handgun from my house while I'm at work, kills someone 30 minutes later...I'm liable because I didn't report it? Better yet, I'm a murderer?

I'd use a car analogy here but that's played out and ignored. "...exposing car owners to manslaughter charges if their car is unattended and becomes the vehicle for injury to someone..."

Totally with you on the casing identity though. Don't police your brass, police gonna get your ass.

[cherokeeprogressive]

28. I have to admit I was a little heavy handed.

Have your handgun stolen at gunpoint; I wouldn't want you held liable for its future use unless you failed to report it immediately.

As far as your house goes, I'm guessing your guns wouldn't be the only object stolen in a burglary, so if you reported them missing as soon as you reported the burglary itself I'd say you shouldn't be held liable for their future use either, as long as they were properly stored in a locked gun cabinet or safe.

[ReRe]

19. K&R

That's right. If your gun is stolen, report it pronto, just like you would if someone stole your wallet from your back pocket or grabbed your purse and ran. What do you do in those instances? You call your credit card co(s)/ATM card bank(s) and report them stolen immediately, or as soon as reasonably possible.

[Recursion]

21. I want that too. And 100% registration. And operator licensing.

These are all great ideas, and exactly not what our party is pushing for.

[Stinky The Clown]

27. I want gunhumpers to get gunsectomies and stop breeding

I want one note johnnies to get a second note

I want know nothings to know at least one something

I want congressional do nothings to get unelected

I want the Olympics moved from the circuit of world cities to a permanent Olympic park, paid for proportionately by every country fielding a team of Olympians, all with no corporate sponsorship.

I want permanent world peace and perpetually clean underwear for all.

[KK9]

30. My husband would agree with you OP...

And, he's not an extreme, "take away all the guns" guy. He has a rifle.

He thinks that when a crime is committed with a gun, the last legal, registered, owner, should be liable in some way, unless it was very promptly reported stolen. Leave your gun unsecured and someone takes it? Make a straw buy? Loan your gun to someone? Leave it where your family members can access it without your knowledge (i.e, you've let a teen see you use the combo to the gun safe)? You are responsible for what happens with it.

We do have safe storage laws here in Mass, I think we are still the only state that has those? I know not everyone abides by them 100% of the time, but it helps a lot. I've heard people talking about having to run around checking to make sure their guns were legally secured before they could call the police for an unrelated reason, so people do take it seriously, even if they lapse on occasion. And the cops absolutely DO enforce that law. Guns have to be either "under the control of the registered owner" or locked up.

[KK9]

31. Oh, there was an interesting case here in Mass...

As my previous post mentioned we DO have a safe storage law.

A woman who lived in Mass and worked as an outside sales rep with travel involved, owned a legally registered hand gun. She carried it around in a special "gun purse". At one point, she was at a meeting at a hotel in NH and her gun fell out of her purse and she didn't notice it. Someone else found the gun in the parking lot and turned it in to the police in the NH town. They looked up the registration and notified the Mass authorities. She hadn't notified anyone that her gun was lost, in fact she didn't KNOW it was lost until she was contaced by local police the next day. She lost her license for leaving her gun unsecured, even though the "unsecured" incident happened out of state...NH has no safe storage law.

Her counter argument was 1) that the gun was in NH and 2) that she was juggling all kinds of presentation materials and that her gun purse failed and that was the responsibility of the gun purse manufacturer. She lost and I think that was right. Total BS. How many of us check out pockets and purses constantly to make sure we still have our car keys and our smartphone? Pretty much all of us. And we'd certainly know they were gone before the next day. I can't imagine being any less concerned with the whereabouts of your handgun! And, yeah, your unsecured gun was left in NH, but your license was issued by MA.