Petition for SECOND EU referendum sees so many signatures it CRASHES website

[Cha]

Petition for SECOND EU referendum sees so many signatures it CRASHES website
A PETITION calling for a second EU referendum after today’s Brexit result has attracted so many signatures the Parliament’s website is crashing.
express.co.uk
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With 16 million people narrowly missing out on a Remain result, hundreds of thousands have rushed to sign a petition demanding a new vote.

Just one million votes were in the result of the historic referendum, with Leave winning with 51.9 per cent of the vote compared to 48.1 per cent wanting Remain.

The result heralds seismic shift in the political landscape as the process now begins to sever ties with our neighbour.

The petition, set up by William Oliver Healey, reads: "We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the Remain or Leave vote is less than 60% based on a turnout less than 75%, there should be another referendum."

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/683115/Brexit-petition-EU-vote-Remain


Sheikh Ebad ?@eSHEIKH_
Very Well played Spain. #BrexitVote
8:43 AM - 24 Jun 2016
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Jon Favreau
✔ ?@jonfavs
The parody account, and a few hours later, the real thing.

Definitely living in a simulation.
6:43 AM - 24 Jun 2016
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https://theobamadiary.com/2016/06/24/nobillnobreak-the-death-of-thousands-is-not-a-stunt/

Hamfisted Bun Vendor ?@MetalOllie
Scotland voted to stay & plan on a second referendum, you tiny fingered, Cheeto-faced, ferret wearing shitgibbon. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/746272130992644096 …
12:59 AM - 24 Jun 2016
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MSNBC
✔ ?@MSNBC
Scots protest Trump's visit by raising Mexican flags: http://on.msnbc.com/28SQhFd
10:00 AM - 24 Jun 2016
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Eric Levitz ?@EricLevitz
Trump: EU break-up is good, because it will make Germans nationalistic again. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/06/what-to-expect-when-youre-expecting-brexit.html …
7:29 AM - 24 Jun 2016 · Manhattan, NY, United States
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https://theobamadiary.com/2016/06/24/the-vice-president-and-presidents-day/

[Press Virginia]

1. Nothing like calling for a vote you can't lose...

[Bernardo de La Paz]

11. Hammer on Cameron. He deserves it for such a stupid move. . . nt

[Cha]

21. I wish them the best.. Thank you, PV.

[msongs]

2. so remain crowd sat out the election by choice and now they want a re-do? nt

[Bernardo de La Paz]

13. Yeah. Apathy among the young. Some even voted Leave when they wanted Remain just because

They wanted to "send a message" because they thought their vote wouldn't matter because they thought Remain would win.

I think that the issue is important enough and that Remain would actually represent the people better, so I think a re-vote would actually be a very good thing.

The young got a heavy lesson. They should not be forced to live with the result for a generation, live with the result longer than the 65+ crowd who voted Exit because they won't bear the consequences.

[Travis_0004]

17. I cant imagine that many people voted leave when they wanted to stay

Even so, to throw the results out would only show that elections dont matter.

If people wanted to stay they should have voted. If they dont vote, they dont get a say.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

20. It's not just one thing. Any way, if elections matter a second one would be excellent, given

If elections matter a second one would be excellent, given the shock that the first one has created. Voters would be more informed about consequences and more serious. The turnout would be larger and therefore more decisive.

Not only did Cameron make a mistake about holding the unnecessary referendum in the first place, but he bet the United Kingdom's future on a single vote, which was foolish to say the least. A step-wise approach would have been much better. Consider Thursday's vote the first step, a very close 52-48 split.

[Denzil_DC]

23. It. Was. Not. An. Election.

"Re-dos" on referendums aren't rare.

In fact, they can serve to clarify views and give people a better basis on which to decide how to vote by continuing the debate with a dose of reality added to the mix.

In the aftermath of the vote, there are a LOT of people who are only now trying to figure out what the plurality have voted for (Google's record of searches once the results are in bears this out, for example), and quite a number who are expressing buyers' remorse because they voted Leave as a protest vote not directly related to EU membership, but out of general disaffection or a desire to stick it to Cameron and the establishment, assuming that it was safe to do so because Remain would win anyway.

Some seem to have treated it like a reality TV show vote, and are having "Oh shit" moments now the results are in.

It looks like that even applies to leading Leave light Boris Johnson, who was visibly shaken and unprepared in his speech on the morning after. He and the Leave leadership have no plans for how they're going to approach negotiations, nor seemingly the massive task that lies ahead of unravelling the many ways the EU and UK economy intermesh and how they're going to compensate for the economic benefits EU membership has brought to more disadvantaged areas of the UK when the UK government has been unable or willing to offer such support in the past.

Some of this is a failing of the media, which only after the result are asking hard questions and pressing Leave on what the hell they intend to do. Only now are the rash statements and promises and downright lies on the Leave side - extra funding for the NHS, reduced immigration, etc. - being seriously challenged. Nigel Farage, for instance, is able to shrug it off, because he doesn't give a shit about being seen as a liar or simply abandoning commitments made by other parts of the conveniently fragmented Leave campaign.

On such a major constitutional issue, allowing a bare majority (~4% in this case) to decide the result is a recipe for serious lasting divisions. The bar should have been set at 66%. There's precedent for this in internal devolution referendums in the UK in the past.

I'd feel the same unease if the vote had gone the other way. Farage said on the eve of poll that if it ended up being 52-48% Remain, he wouldn't consider the matter settled. The Remain side are unlikely to have the hutzpah to pursue that line.

So no, it's not an outlandish nor unreasonable idea to re-run the referendum. It's just highly unlikely to happen.

[Cha]

39. Mahalo for that, Denzil! Update: More Than 2.5 Million Britons Are Demanding A Second EU Referendum

A petition calls for the U.K. government to act because Thursday’s winning margin to leave the union was so slim

.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/petition-eu-referendum-million-signatures_us_576e58ebe4b0dbb1bbbab919?section=

[Denzil_DC]

41. Well, I signed myself last night.

It now stands at 3,142,835 signatures!

But I see it mainly as an imperfect way to impress on politicians and the press what should be too frikkin obvious - this was not a decisive vote, there's a lot of buyers' remorse out there, Leave have no clue what they're doing or going to do, the process of exiting could extend over a whole agonizing decade of uncertainty, by which time quite a few Leave voters will have gone to join the Choir Invisible and be ex-Leave voters, and if the proportions were the other way round, there's no way hard-line Leavers would accept it as the settled will of the people. That's down to Cameron's idiocy in not setting a bar beyond a bare majority.

Fun fact: The petition was started in May by a rabidly right-wing Leave student to pre-empt his expectation that it might be a close Remain vote.

He's not too happy with the way his petition is panning out ...

[BlueMTexpat]

3. I must admit that there is some

extremely creative name-calling in Scotland! And El Trumpo deserves every bit of it!

He is a walking, talking nightmare!

[Cha]

4. This tweet is for you, BlueMT..

Michelle O'Brien ?@Wolf_six
@MetalOllie I work with gibbons. They're amazing and do not deserve to be mentioned in relation to him. That said, amazing use of profanity.
2:58 AM - 24 Jun 2016
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There were some other tweets even more colorful but I chose not to post them.. as being Too Colorful. lol

#trump's so stupid.

Mahalo

[BlueMTexpat]

5. One I loved was from Paul Bettany

who wondered (I paraphrase) which family member was using the Trump brain cell today.

[Cha]

9. LOL! that is so True!

Paul Bettany is married to an American Actress you know?

Mahalo, Blue~

[Iliyah]

6. Nazi golf balls is one of my favorites

[Cha]

22. I didn't see that one. What was the context, Iliyah?~

Thank you!

[Tarheel_Dem]

7. I wish he'd take his ass to Scotland and stay there. They're welcome to him.

[trueblue2007]

8. THE SCOTS HATE HIS GUTS.

i say .... send him and his a$$ whole family to the moon.

build luxurious HUGE homes for them. get his butt off planet earth.
he can build many walls there !!!

[Cha]

26. Scotland on trump, Tarheel.. they feel the same as we do..

Hamfisted Bun Vendor ?@MetalOllie
Scotland voted to stay & plan on a second referendum, you tiny fingered, Cheeto-faced, ferret wearing shitgibbon. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/746272130992644096 …
12:59 AM - 24 Jun 2016
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MSNBC
✔ ?@MSNBC
Scots protest Trump's visit by raising Mexican flags: http://on.msnbc.com/28SQhFd
10:00 AM - 24 Jun 2016
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https://theobamadiary.com/2016/06/24/the-vice-president-and-presidents-day/

Mahalo~

[Surya Gayatri]

10. Love the quick and witty Spanish response...

We, the inhabitants of the Euro-zone and the EU, are looking on in dismay at the cross-channel antics.

Will we have a currency and a Union in future?

"Perfidious Albion" is playing fast and easy with the political, social and economic future of 500 million+ hapless EU citizens.

Curse those ignorant, ill-informed and easily-manipulated Brits.

__________________________________

Perfidious Albion

Perfidious Albion is an anglophobic pejorative phrase used within the context of international relations and diplomacy to refer to alleged acts of diplomatic sleights, duplicity, treachery and hence infidelity (with respect to perceived promises made to or alliances formed with other nation states) by monarchs or governments of Britain (or England) in their pursuit of self-interest and the requirements of realpolitik.

Perfidious signifies one who does not keep his faith or word (from the Latin word "perfidia&quot , while Albion is derived from an ancient Celtic name for the British Isles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfidious_Albion

[Cha]

16. Me too, Surya! "Curse those ignorant, ill-informed and easily-manipulated Brits."

And, thank you for your thoughts on the UK's Vote to Leave and the definition of Perfidious Albion!

The best of Luck to Europe and those in Britain who want another Vote.

I just saw this...


meta ?@metaquest
Process for UK to leave the EU: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36626201 …
4:59 PM - 24 Jun 2016
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[Surya Gayatri]

18. Yes, the Brexit ringleaders are talking about a 2-year time-line for complete withdrawal.

But, top diplomats from the "Original Six" EU founders are meeting as we speak to see how the divorce process can be speeded up.

The growing consensus among other EU members is: make it quick; no sense in dragging out the pain.

Britain is whistling past the graveyard thinking they can get out of this unscathed, with the City's business carrying on as usual.

Here's the money quote:
"If the UK wants back in, it has to apply like any other country."

Good luck with that.

[Recursion]

12. A poem with which the UK strongly identifies is about a cavalry charge

across an open plain towards entrenched artillery, despite the commander knowing the order was mistaken. And the poem presents this as an awesome thing to do.

I don't see them backing out on this.

[sarge43]

15. Then there's the David Low cartoon "Very well, alone."

Has a bitter irony now

[Surya Gayatri]

19. Part of Tennyson's paean to jingoistic nonsense...

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
Rode the six hundred.

Where they ALL died in a nihilistic and needless slaughter. (That's my line.)

[Cha]

35. I hope you're wrong, Recursion.

[Betty Karlson]

14. the status quo is desperate to be preserved.

Here's a thought for you: all those frustrated people in areas that have been in recession for a generation, some of who voted for the first time since 1983, all those who finally had regained some sense of being heard, what are they to make of an effort to undo the result they wanted?

[still_one]

24. This referendum has just opened Pandora's box. It is almost certain that

Scotland will vote on their independence from Great Britain, and the question of the free movement of people, goods, and services across the border with Ireland is now a very real issue.

A redo vote isn't going to happen, at least not on the heals of what just occurred.

Elections have consequences.

[Cha]

25. Elections do have consequences & I feel bad for those who voted to Remain..

Alt Right ?@_AltRight_
#Brexit clearly an implicit White victory #DeportAllMuslims
3:22 PM - 24 Jun 2016
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hattip:https://theobamadiary.com/2016/06/24/the-vice-president-and-presidents-day/


Murtaza Hussain
✔ ?@MazMHussain
Age breakdown on Brexit polls tells underlying story. Older generation voted for a future the younger don't want:
6:20 PM - 23 Jun 2016
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Mahalo, stillone~

[still_one]

27. I feel bad for them too. In my view the referendum should have required a 2/3 threshold to leave

They really messed this one up, and the ones who will feel the pain the worst will be those in Great Britain

The biggest concern I have is the potential for nationalistic, xenophobia to spread through Europe

[Cha]

28. Yes.. 2/3 threshold would have been good! So much regret today over this.

"The biggest concern I have is the potential for nationalistic, xenophobia to spread through Europe."

Like trump wants.. may our worst fears not be realized.

[Teamster Jeff]

31. "Older generation voted for a future the younger don't want"

Reminds me of our Dem primary.

But, the Brit young are wise and informed, voting for their own interests. American millennials
are naive dreamers who probably won't show up to vote anyway.

How does that work?

[Cha]

29. More than one million people sign petition for SECOND EU referendum

More than one million people sign petition for SECOND EU referendum
A PETITION calling for a second EU referendum after yesterday's Brexit result has attracted more than 1,215,000 signatures.
express.co.uk
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[Cha]

30. Spoke to 'Leave' voters who say result wasn't meant to happen. They hoped to make a point, show

Edward Hardy ?@EdwardTHardy
Spoke to 'Leave' voters who say result wasn't meant to happen. They hoped to make a point, show frustration with EU, not cause Brexit #EURef
10:34 PM - 23 Jun 2016
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https://theobamadiary.com/2016/06/25/early-bird-chat-776/

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

32. We should learn from this ...

Don't throw away your vote on write-in/third-party/fringe-party impossibilities.

Make it count.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

33. Headline

"Less Than 5% of Voters Whine for Do-Over"

[underahedgerow]

34. I have NO pity. The English have been debating the merits for THREE YEARS. They could have

mailed their votes or made more of an effort to make their decision and choice known.

Too little, too late.

[Cha]

36. Update: More Than 2.5 Million Britons Are Demanding A Second EU Referendum

A petition calls for the U.K. government to act because Thursday’s winning margin to leave the union was so slim

.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/petition-eu-referendum-million-signatures_us_576e58ebe4b0dbb1bbbab919?section=

[tarheelsunc]

37. Best 3 out of 5? eom

[DavidDvorkin]

38. Majority don't want another referendum

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brexit-opinion-poll-reveals-majority-8283139

[Cha]

40. Thank you for that.. we'll see what happens.

[Denzil_DC]

42. A snap poll just after the result

with a small sample, immediately after pollsters' have been graphically shown to be ... let's say, not entirely up to their job.

People are still processing all this. It's too early to come to such a conclusion. Hell, the media's full of ardent Leave advocates who're stunned because they though they were making a protest vote in the safety they wouldn't win.

Doesn't mean a redo'll happen, but the country's seriously deeply divided. That's no basis to continue down this path in a way that's going to take us to a good place.

[DavidDvorkin]

43. In any case, a second referendum seems unlikely

There are now rumblings that the online poll was deliberately distorted by the Remain camp. There's no way to no, in such matters, but it's clear that someone wants to deligitimize it.

Cameron ruled out a second referendum, and he seems to have some support in that.

[Denzil_DC]

44. It doesn't matter at the moment.

I signed, but that petition's an imperfect instrument, as I knew when I did so.

With three million signatories and counting, we can easily hit the 100,000 mark for parliament to consider it no matter how they try to whittle it down. I suspect any fraud isn't going to be significant because of the way the petition's administered anyway.

It's headline news on the BBC hourly. It matters a LOT right now that we fight back against the idea this is all done and dusted. The political parties and media seem to think it's a done deal. It really isn't. Heads are rolling all over the place.

It's a bit like the 2000 US election result. We have to make some serious noise. There's a lot of buyers' remorse. This is just a small part of reflecting that and ensuring half the population's wishes aren't just ignored. They wouldn't have been if the vote had gone the other way, it would all be about it not being conclusive enough, still an open question, etc. etc.

[DavidDvorkin]

45. I'm still angry at how Democrats rolled over in 2000

I hope the Remain camp doesn't give up the same way.