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Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:31 PM

 

Email from Keith Ellison re: the TPP and the Democratic Platform Committee.

I hope this clears up some of the confusion about where Keith Ellison stands re the
Platform Committee's work of late. i.e. it's not all hearts and flowers.


Dear 99th Monkey,

On Friday and Saturday, I had the honor of participating in the DNC's Platform Drafting Committee at the request of Bernie Sanders. I have good news and bad news to share with you coming out of this incredibly important meeting:

The good news is that the resulting draft platform is, by and large, the most progressive statement I have seen come out of the Democratic Party in years.

It is clear that the party is responding favorably to the energy and passion brought to the forefront during this amazing presidential primary, and they've adopted stronger positions than they did in previous years on everything from expanding Social Security to tackling criminal justice reform.

Now, for the bad news: During the meeting, I put forward an amendment asking the DNC to take a strong stand against the Trans-Pacific Partnership, but several committee members managed to block it from becoming a part of the party platform.

It's disappointing that we weren't able to get this critical anti-TPP provision added this past weekend, but we aren't out of luck yet. On July 8-9, the full platform committee will be meeting to give their take on the draft platform we created -- and they'll have the opportunity to make amendments as well.

Will you sign my petition to the DNC's Platform Committee and join me and DFA in asking them to adopt an anti-TPP amendment when the full committee meets in Orlando on July 8-9?
SIGN UP HERE: http://act.democracyforamerica.com/sign/TPP_platform_amendment/?t=2&refcode=g-tppplatform0629.d-20160629.m-8083.s-22895&akid=8083.1294488.HXbmZn

The committee members who voted against my amendment claimed that they were leaving the door open to the TPP for the sake of "party unity." But opposition to the job-killing TPP should not be controversial within the Democratic Party: Both Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton campaigned against the TPP during this year's presidential primary.

I'm happy that both of our strongest candidates for president this year made fighting for fairer trade deals a major part of their platforms. But it's not enough for Democrats to give lip service to opposing bad trade deals while on the campaign trail. We need to show permanent solidarity with working families by taking a stand against the TPP as a party.

The full DNC Platform Committee meets next week -- and we need your help now. Can you sign my petition with DFA demanding a strong anti-TPP provision in the Democratic Party platform?

Thanks for doing everything you can to help defeat the TPP -- and to make the Democratic Party more progressive.

- Keith

Rep. Keith Ellison
Member of the U.S. House of Representatives

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Reply Email from Keith Ellison re: the TPP and the Democratic Platform Committee. (Original post)
99th_Monkey Jun 2016 OP
Shandris Jun 2016 #1
840high Jun 2016 #2
99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #3
phazed0 Jun 2016 #14
Hortensis Jun 2016 #27
elljay Jun 2016 #36
Hortensis Jun 2016 #41
elljay Jun 2016 #42
Hortensis Jun 2016 #43
bvar22 Jun 2016 #45
Hortensis Jun 2016 #46
bvar22 Jun 2016 #47
Hortensis Jun 2016 #49
PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #48
Hortensis Jul 2016 #53
SheilaT Jun 2016 #31
elljay Jun 2016 #37
KPN Jun 2016 #38
appalachiablue Jun 2016 #4
Hortensis Jun 2016 #28
appalachiablue Jun 2016 #33
Hortensis Jun 2016 #34
appalachiablue Jun 2016 #35
Hortensis Jun 2016 #44
appalachiablue Jul 2016 #52
bread_and_roses Jun 2016 #50
Hortensis Jul 2016 #51
fasttense Jun 2016 #5
pampango Jun 2016 #12
fasttense Jun 2016 #16
pampango Jun 2016 #18
fasttense Jun 2016 #21
Shebear Jun 2016 #13
Shebear Jun 2016 #6
99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #7
Shebear Jun 2016 #10
GentryDixon Jun 2016 #8
geardaddy Jun 2016 #9
pampango Jun 2016 #11
Cryptoad Jun 2016 #15
Chan790 Jun 2016 #19
Cryptoad Jun 2016 #22
Chan790 Jun 2016 #24
Cryptoad Jun 2016 #26
AntiBank Jun 2016 #32
KPN Jun 2016 #39
MohRokTah Jun 2016 #17
Chan790 Jun 2016 #20
fasttense Jun 2016 #23
Chan790 Jun 2016 #25
bemildred Jun 2016 #29
Name removed Jun 2016 #30
LiberalLovinLug Jun 2016 #40

Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:46 PM

1. I hope he gets it blocked.

 

I absolutely, positively will not vote for ANYONE supporting that thing. I will not contribute my energy to a platform designed to kill my wages, my livelihood, my health, my financial considerations, and ultimately my life.

That's a permanent no-vote, also. If you support this thing, you've lost me forever. I know I personally don't count, but enough of me certainly will.

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Response to Shandris (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:49 PM

2. There are many who

 

fel the way you do.

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Response to Shandris (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 03:56 PM

3. I hear you

 

and I hope Sec. Clinton hears you as well, and fully repudiates her "Gold Standard"
steaming pile of legalized robbery of the middle class.

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Response to Shandris (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:43 PM

14. I'm with you!

 

Lost me forever so long as that is supported.

TPP negates anything about helping unions/workers/environment/etc.. biggest elephant in the room.

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Response to phazed0 (Reply #14)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:26 AM

27. I'm not. I'm for strong changes to the TPP.

TPP, but it would be a terrible mistake to cede leadership of the Pacific partnership to China. Plus, it will become reality whether we belong or not, and we will be in an incredibly stronger position to change it from within.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #27)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 11:46 AM

36. You're repeating propaganda

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Why would opposing the TPP cede Asia trade to China? We manage to trade quite nicely now, without the neo-liberal trade pact which would simply cede more rights to multinationals and force our workers to compete with slave labor. We lose nothing by rejecting the TPP and everything by opposing it.

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Response to elljay (Reply #36)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 12:20 PM

41. There is nothing "liberal" about business sacking

whole populations. Talk about propaganda, it doesn't get more asinine than that. And please don't bother saying you weren't really implying this is all a business-corrupted liberal Democrat plot, because we both know that's why the word neoliberal is constantly being used wildly incorrectly.

A trans-Pacific partnership is happening. Our not joining won't change that, merely China would take our place. Got it? An economic alliance of nations circling the Pacific dominated by an authoritarian government bent on expanding its economic and military control across a third of the globe.

That's the most intractable reason among a number of reasons why, even though Hillary seemingly wants to work on the terms some more, Obama has committed to our becoming the dominant member. If we're not in it, we have very little control over what it does, and it would hurt our trade.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #41)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 12:31 PM

42. Spell check problem. neo liberal

not "new"liberal. Obama, both Clintons and the Republican Party are neo-liberals. It has nothing to do with social liberalism. It is a doctrine that promotes the so-called free market over regulation and treats workers as fungible commodities in that market. It has been our economic policy since Reagan. NAFTA and our other trade pacts are all neo-liberal and have resulted in the US going from the world's largest importer of materials and exporter of finished goods, to the world's largest sported of materials and importer of finished goods. Concurrently and as a result, American productivity has increased while wages have not. We have hemorrhage jobs to other countries and our people are falling into poverty. You are naive to think that countries like Japan and Korea will magically fall into the China camp because we don't sign an agreement that gives corporate arbitration panels the ability to subvert our laws and because we don't have to compete with slave labor. You're is the position of the trickle-down Republicans like Reagan and it is your right to believe that. However, as a progressive I support both Democratic candidates who have publicly repudiated the TPP

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Response to elljay (Reply #42)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 12:48 PM

43. Nonsense. You should not be repeating these lies.

So-called "neoliberalism" is hard-core conservative, right-wing economic and social ideology. Hard-core libertarians subscribe to much of it and discard the rest -- whatever works to make more money. John Bircher authoritarian conservatives subscribe to much of it. Amoral profiteers ascribe to whatever makes money for them and discard the rest. Right- and left-wing fascists subscribe to much of it.

Neoliberalism is the antithesis of liberalism. You are empowering the activities of these groups by blaming their crimes on their enemies.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #43)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 03:25 PM

45. Lets try FACTS instead of invctive:


<snip>
"One problem with trade and investment deals, especially with lower-wage countries like South Korea and China, is that they often result in growing trade deficits and job losses. In 2011, President Obama claimed that the Korea-U.S. free trade agreement (KORUS) would “support 70,000 American jobs” because the agreement would “increase exports of American goods by $10 billion to $11 billion.”

Since KORUS took effect in 2012, exports to Korea have increased by less than $1 billion. Meanwhile, U.S. imports have surged more than $12 billion, resulting in a net loss of 75,000 U.S. jobs. (The Korean Free Trade Agreement is the template for the TPP)

Similarly, Bill Clinton claimed that NAFTA would create 200,000 jobs in its first two years and a million jobs in five years. Instead, between 1993 (before NAFTA) and 2013, the U.S. trade deficit with Mexico and Canada increased from $17 billion to $177.2 billion, displacing more than 850,000 U.S. jobs.

<read more FACTS here:>
http://www.newsweek.com/free-trade-costs-american-jobs-332962


The TPP has been appropriately described as "NAFTA on Steroids".

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #45)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 03:29 PM

46. Irrelevant. NEOLIBERAL IS HARD-CORE CONSERVATIVISM.

This is a Democrat-supporting site. Stop spreading the lie that the Democratic Party is a hotbed of right-wing neoliberalism.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #46)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 03:42 PM

47. You seem confused.

I posted nothing but historically documented FACTS with references.
What part of my post do you consider a "lie"?

Google "NeoLiberalism and the Democratic Party", and get back to us for an intelligent discussion.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #47)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 03:49 PM

49. The part where you say "facts instead of invective."

You are supporting the lies I was refuting, and now you are recommending I google for the floods of anti-Democratic Party propaganda topping that search.

Google neoliberalism and conservative to find the truth.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #43)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 03:45 PM

48. You are correct in that "Neoliberalism is the antithesis of liberalism" and that

neoliberalism is right wing in nature.

Where you are wrong is that neoliberalism is the model championed by "Third Way" Democrats / DLC / "New" Democrats that is the basis of TPP and other free trade agreements.

There are alternatives methods to frame and organize international trade than the free trade agreements that greatly favor transnational corporations; GATT for example.

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #48)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 09:15 AM

53. Kochs embrace "neoliberals" whenever it

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benefits them. If neoliberals are extreme right, is it your point that there are no "antithesis" liberals in the Democratic Party? We're all rabid right wingers who ran out the liberals? I thought I was a lifelong liberal. How come I don't know this?

At what point did "third way" formed in 1988--which were pragmatic liberal attempts to progress through a middle path given a mostly conservative-voting electorate--turn into an extreme-right "neoliberal" economic and social ideology of today's Democratic Party? I never heard about that either.

You do realize this was over 20 years ago, that the third way faction no longer exists as a power in the party, that the closest current faction would be the centrists, or "New Democrats," who formed in the late 1990s and are maybe 1 out of 4 in the House. They are centrist liberal but still left of the old third-way mediation attempt.

Btw, many young Democratic voters would have no idea the third way, which made sense in its time, ever existed if the anti-Democrat left wasn't dishonestly pretending it still did.

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Response to Shandris (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 10:25 AM

31. So, does that mean you won't vote for

 

the Presidential nominee if that person supports it?

I'm NOT trying to put words in your mouth, but for a very long time here people have expressed a lot of concern over the TPP and the apparent support of it by the presumed nominee. We aren't allowed to criticize her in the least at this point, which means this post may be deleted, but everyone who supports her had better be on board for the TPP it looks like.

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #31)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 11:47 AM

37. The way trhey're setting it up

is for Obama to shove it down our throats as a lame duck so Hillary doesn't have to do it. The corporatist Democrats are working hard to make that happen.

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Response to elljay (Reply #37)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 12:04 PM

38. This ^^^^!!!!!

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:12 PM

4. K & R. No how, no way to yet another Hafta trade deal to exterminate US workers

who have been enduring hardships and dying for decades with many now precariously hanging on...

- Free Trader Freak Uncle Alan on 'greater worker insecurity'...

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:47 AM

28. That a fearful, victim-mentality position. We will be

by many times over the strongest nation in the TPP, and we are a voting republic. If workers were "exterminated" it would be with the voters' collusion and cooperation. It could not happen otherwise.

BUT if we were going to collude on our own extermination, membership in the TPP would not matter one way or the other. We don't need New Zealand's help to destroy ourselves.

But of course we're not, not even close. To date we've essentially MERELY colluded, many of us wholeheartedly and abysmally ignorantly, in eliminating our share of the increase in national wealth from increased productivity (including to those now underemployed, not just underpaid), and just look at how pissed off that has made us.

So, maybe straighten the shoulders, gird the loins, and prepare to vote knowledgeably?

Greenspan was appointed by Ronald Reagan, who was elected by a landslide in a national rejection of the previous 40 years of progressive government. Reagan would have lost in a landslide if more people had the slightest clue to what they were actually voting for. It would have taken, what, at most maybe 20% more voters reading maybe 5 good, objective, unbiased articles to realize what "getting off the backs of business" was likely to really mean?

Btw, sure today's dominant business philosophy is almost completely morally bankrupt, the mentality of locusts, but it's terribly dishonest to blame business for our own failure to retrain for new jobs as our old ones were coming to an end. Sure, business knew many of their employees were literally refusing to change, were too improvident and even feckless to take proper care of themselves, and in this laissez-faire era declined the role of babysitter.


We can be mad at them for not taking care of us, but we really shouldn't be. That is and always was our job, and many did are are making good incomes. As for those who waste long hours hanging around by their fingernails, they really should finally be hitting the books. The economy will never be "fixed" enough to pay good wages to workers whose skills are obsolete.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #28)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 11:08 AM

33. No fearful victim, Reality. TPP is another pig in a poke to the mass uninformed.

Greenspan was approved as Fed Chair under Reagan in 1987, and worked thereafter for Clinton and Bush until resigning in early 2006 when the MBS derivatives explosion was about to start.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #33)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 11:19 AM

34. Chairmen serve a 14-year term, Appalachiablue.

This is to keep them on a different cycle from and relatively independent of the whims of presidents and parties.

Btw, the mass uninformed are actually far less of a problem to democracy than the passionately mis-informed. The former typically have not crippled their ability to reason by a mass of deeply embedded misconceptions.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #34)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 11:41 AM

35. Greenspan's remarks about greater worker insecurity

can't be erased or discredited by pursuing senseless distractions and making condescending statements Hortensis. People know the truth. Much better to relax and have a great day.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #35)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 12:52 PM

44. Greenspans remarks are intensely CONSERVATIVE.

That's because he's a conservative economist appointed by a conservative president.

Ascribing conservative crimes to their liberal enemies is what conservative propagandists do. And you.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #44)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 08:37 AM

52. Your accusation that I am a conservative propagandist is false,

offensive and intended to bait me into more discussion which I ceased with remarks above for you to have a good day.
An apology for the aggression and insults you flung is necessary but won't happen because you are here to disrupt.
For the last time I'm telling you to stop all posts to me.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #28)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 09:06 PM

50. Right! It's all the WORKERS' fault!

really ... how very neo-liberal of you. Your remarks are so very similar to some that Clinton I made lo these long years ago in regard to NAFTA .... and we all know how well that's worked out.

it's terribly dishonest to blame business for our own failure to retrain for new jobs as our old ones were coming to an end. Sure, business knew many of their employees were literally refusing to change, were too improvident and even feckless to take proper care of themselves, and in this laissez-faire era declined the role of babysitter.


So ... all those factory workers who lost jobs were "too improvident and even feckless to take proper care of themselves" .... and they should have retrained for .... which new jobs exactly? Men and women who'd worked all their lives, taken care of themselves & their families all their lives .... should have retrained for .... McDonald's? Hotel housekeeping? Were they all supposed to become hedge fund managers?

You do realize not everyone wants, or is suited to, some sort of technical work? Many of those who could make a switch DID go back to school .... in computer sciences, etc. - only to eventually lose out to H1b visa imports. Others went to call centers .... then THEY started to be outsourced ....

As for those who waste long hours hanging around by their fingernails, they really should finally be hitting the books. The economy will never be "fixed" enough to pay good wages to workers whose skills are obsolete.


Really? Sooooooo.... let's see - child care workers, pre-school staff, elder-care home aides, janitors, refuse collectors, farm workers - just a few of the job classifications I can think of that are seriously, seriously underpaid, in which workers "hang [on] by their fingernails," always one day away from a utility shut-off, an eviction, an empty larder, an unpaid car insurance bill - we don't need those workers anymore? They are paid so little because their "skills are obsolete?" We have robots who can do those jobs now?

No. The collusion of "Liberals" and the Democratic Party in throwing away ordinary working people, in destroying public services by privatization, in allowing our infrastructure to crumble while there are millions out of work who could and would do that work, in kow-towing to Wall Street and the Vampire Insurance and Prison-for-Profit and Charter School and dirty energy companies, in allowing a sort of indentured servitude to the Masters for health care while wages eroded and the working class and poor fell deeper and deeper into debt and despair ....THOSE are some reasons why workers are "hanging on" by a thread. Not their "fecklessness" or "obsolete skills."

Your post could serve as a short course in why the working class has abandoned the Democratic party. It abandoned them. There is all sorts of work in the world, and all of it that is useful - like taking care of children and elders, harvesting food, and picking up our garbage deserves dignity and a living wage.

The contempt that absolutely drips off your post for ordinary working people is simply .... I have no words that suffice. I signed in here for the first time in a long time because I could not believe those statements seemed to left unchallenged. I even signed (unread) whatever those terms of service were - if I have violated them, too bad - I'll never be back anyway.

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Response to bread_and_roses (Reply #50)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 05:29 AM

51. The poor downtrodden "workers" of this nation are

We the People. We each have a vote. You bet, allowing ourselves to be victimized as a people is first, foremost and last our doing.

That doesn't absolve those who take advantage of the people's improvidence in any way--their greed and callousness, even depraved indifference to the lives of others are their doing and responsibility.

But our right and duty to care for ourselves are our own, our achievements are our own, and our failures are our own.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:37 PM

5. Didn't we Democrats learn anything about the Brexit vote?

 

If we liberals don't stand up against corporations and banksters to fix the economy, conservatives will pick up the issue and use it as a racist bludgeon. It's the economy but conservatives will make it about racism.

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Response to fasttense (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:30 PM

12. Data shows that Brexit supporters were anti-immigrant, anti-Green, anti-social liberalism,

anti-feminist and anti-multiculturalism and diversity. Trade and trade agreements were not among their priorities

The conservative elite in the UK that promoted Brexit want to escape from the EU's regulations on labor and environmental rights. As with our Trump they 'US vs THEM' rhetoric to motivate the racists and nativists.

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Response to pampango (Reply #12)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:09 PM

16. That's what I'm saying.

 

They are using economic issues and turning them into racism issues. Working people are angry and are falling further and further behind. They don't really understsnd why. If No One comes along and shows them how it's the economy, they are going to belive the RepubliCONS. If no one tells them the reason they are falling behind and can't afford medicine or pay their kids college or fix the car, they are going to blame immigrants and minorities. They need to know that the uber rich corporations are overcharing monopolies that have extra special secret courts that ensure their power. If they don't know about trade agreements or special deals and taxes for the uber rich, they will listen to the racists and right wing crazies. If the left fails to provide a rational reason for the continued economic depression, then they will buy into what the right is saying.

We have to feed working people the truth for their desperate condition. They can get myth and lies from the right wing. We have to stand up to the corporations and banks and support anti-austerity, anti-facism, anti-corporatism. We can't give them corporatism hidden in trade deals and expect them to vote Democratic - that's what RepubliCONS do. Working people get lies from RepubliCONS, the remaining option is the truth and Democrats should be providing it.

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Response to fasttense (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:48 PM

18. So we have to throw Obama and a large part of our base under the bus and scapegoat

foreigners and trade in order to convince voters not to listen to racists and nativists?

OR we educate them that FDR policies like progressive taxes, a stronger safety net, stronger unions work better than the isolation offered by Trump and his long-deceased mentor, Herbert Hoover. Blaming the relatively little trade that the US has for our problems may be an effective campaign tactic (Trump certainly hopes so), if we can out-Trump Trump, but it sets us up for a backlash when the problems continue after trade gets smaller and smaller as they did for Mr. Hoover.

We control corporations by regulating them like FDR did. He expanded trade and worked with other countries on trade and other issues and controlled corporations. He was quite popular with average Americans if not with 1%.

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Response to pampango (Reply #18)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:16 PM

21. I didn't say anything about throwing anyone under the bus

 

But if Democrats think they will win over working people and their votes while shoving "free" trade deals down their throat and calling it good for them then RepubliCONS have a better than average chance of winning. It's a lie. And if the working class wants to vote for liars, the best ones are RepubliCONS.

Too bad Obama wants to promote bad deals and tell workers the deals are good. But he had a choice, and his politics has lost a lot of seats in the house and Senate. Hillary does not have to follow him down that path. Standing up and taking a different direction from Obama's "free" trade agenda, would prove she will not be a third term for Obama. It would be a good way for her to differentiate herself.

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Response to fasttense (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:32 PM

13. Sad, but true...

 

... and this has haunted the Dems for a long time - the inability to unite the social justice and economic justice policies. It gave us George Wallace in 1972 (winning the DEMOCRATIC primary in several states). It is now bringing us Trump.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:41 PM

6. Thank you Keith Ellison - a Dem with a spine!

 

... I agree... enough with lip service. We have to finally stand on principle here... not only for our party, but for the country.

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Response to Shebear (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:49 PM

7. Imagine that!

 

Dems with spines .. a beautiful sight.

No one can claim anti-TPP folks are "bashing Hillary", since Hillary totally
SAID that she opposed the TPP, finally, under considerable duress.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:05 PM

10. Yes, she did...

 

... guess we'll find out if she really meant that...

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:50 PM

8. I signed on and donated.

Thanks for the info.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:54 PM

9. Signed.

I love my rep!

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:19 PM

11. Glad to hear that our draft platform is the "most progressive statement"

Ellison has seen. It could always be better but that is a great start.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 06:33 PM

15. The DNC

as a whole is going to delivery a slam to the face of a sitting Democratic President by opposing something he supports, when whether it is in the platform or not will make no difference after Jan 2017..... This is a part of being a Democrat!

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:59 PM

19. If they want progressives to continue to join the march towards history of electing Hillary...

 

Yes. Exactly that.

It's a slam to the face of Obama or a slam to the face of progressives. Pick one.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #19)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:23 PM

22. I dont think

u can speak for all Progressives..... most progressive Democrats have already joined the march towards history of electing Hillary.(80%+) Primary is over ,,,, like I said , what the DNC puts in its platform is meaning less to the outcome of TTP, which is dead in the water.....let go ,,,join history!

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:31 PM

24. I think you're going to see attrition from the 80% if the TPP plank isn't added.

 

All it will take is one media insinuation that it was excluded to allow Hillary the room to flip-flop on TPP down the road (whether she actually does or intends to is irrelevant) and it's going to start a bloodbath as progressives begin to fear she's exactly the establishment stooge they opposed until she showed she wasn't. Doubly so if she nominates an unquestionable establishment lackey like Kaine for VP.

I don't think it's optional. More so, it's supported by the nominee of the Democratic party so arguments against its inclusion run contrary to good sense and the direction of the party. I don't think we should give a damn what the position of the outgoing President is on this or any matter. His day is passing, the sunset on the relevance of his opinion approaches.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #24)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 09:19 PM

26. that attitude is

why Progressives are on the fringe of the Party.

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #26)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 10:38 AM

32. and isn't that an utterly damning statement of the state of the new Democratic party

 

FDR, MLK, RFK, Wellstone, La Follette, etc. are spinning in their graves.

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #22)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 12:09 PM

39. Dead in the water? Are you serious?

Seems rather naive to me. I'll be surprised if it isn't approved before January 20, 2017.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:16 PM

17. I STRONGLY oppose this proposed amendment. eom

 

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:03 PM

20. Unsurprising.

 

Equally unsurprising, I'm sure...but I strongly support an anti-FTA litmus test.

If you support this shitty TPP or other like it...I think the Democratic party should be showing you the outside of the tent-flaps. Permanently. If someone supports selling the American worker down the pipes, then there is no room in the Democratic party for them and we don't want their support or input.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #20)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:23 PM

23. Putting out that "free" trade deals are good for working people is a lie

 

If people want to vote for liars, the best ones are RepubliCONS. Democrats make bad liars.

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Response to fasttense (Reply #23)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 08:32 PM

25. We agree. n/t

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:53 AM

29. "Free Trade" == "Cheap Labor". nt

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 12:20 PM

40. The irony lost in all this

Is that trade, in and of itself, is not only a good thing, it is imperative in building relationships with other countries to the point where war becomes too costly in terms of destroying those trade agreements, and the established businesses and jobs either factory workers or farmers etc. Money trumps peace at times, but if its lucrative enough, money trumps war.

The problem is not with hammering out a trade agreement, its hammering out a trade agreement that is lopsided in favour of the corporations, the ones with all the money and state security forces behind them. Give us a trade agreement that recognizes and respects workers rights to a livable wage, environmental protections, and get rid of the awful provision wherein corporations can sue a country if they enact some environmental law, or labour law, or healthcare requirement etc.. and it impacts their bottom line in any way. That is a race to the bottom.

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