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Eugene

(61,872 posts)
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 09:17 PM Jul 2016

Charges weighed after Ohio incident triggers Emirati warning on robes

Source: Reuters

World | Mon Jul 4, 2016 3:49pm EDT

Charges weighed after Ohio incident triggers Emirati warning on robes

BY BARBARA GOLDBERG

The mayor of an Ohio town at the center of an incident that prompted the United Arab Emirates to warn citizens against wearing traditional robes abroad apologized and said on Monday some of those involved could face criminal charges.

Police in Avon, Ohio, last week pinned to the ground and handcuffed an Emirati businessman, Ahmed Al Menhali, after receiving reports he was pledging allegiance to Islamic State militants while speaking on his cellphone in a hotel lobby.

According to Avon Mayor Bryan Jensen and Julia Shearson, head of the local branch of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the 911 calls were placed by relatives of a female clerk at the hotel who was unnerved by his appearance.

"We came to find out that those statements were never heard by anyone, the statements were never said," Jensen told Reuters on Monday. "A person who makes a false accusation like that endangers not only the person that they are making them about but (also) it frustrates us and angers us that we're going into a situation that puts our police officers in a position they would never want to be in."

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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-emirates-usa-arrest-idUSKCN0ZK1ZZ
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Charges weighed after Ohio incident triggers Emirati warning on robes (Original Post) Eugene Jul 2016 OP
Charges should be filed Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #1
It's going to be hard to show malice unless the callers implicate themselves. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2016 #2
Yep, cops were way too hyped up Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #3
If nothing else, that female clerk needs to be outed and shamed Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #18
I hope she gets fired. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2016 #19
Please... She'll probably get the key to the city Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #20
Maybe. But the heat is on. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2016 #21
Exactly ! These hateful fucks are getting people hurt and killed making up shit to police Person 2713 Jul 2016 #7
But Homeland Security has told Americans "See Something, No Vested Interest Jul 2016 #4
They saw and heard nothing . That has been determined. Person 2713 Jul 2016 #8
In their minds, the clerk "saw something" - Middle-Eastern clothing, and heard No Vested Interest Jul 2016 #9
Clerk didn't make these false allegations to the police. She supposedly made it to her relatives. LisaL Jul 2016 #5
And what happens when an American woman walks the streets of UAE in traditional American clothing? Binkie The Clown Jul 2016 #6
Nothing. And certainly no tackling from police.... Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #11
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2016 #12
Even female network journalists reporting from there cover their arms and head. Binkie The Clown Jul 2016 #13
There's no dress code enforced for tourists in UAE... Violet_Crumble Jul 2016 #15
That could be. Binkie The Clown Jul 2016 #16
That's not really correct. If your clothing is not 'gender conforming' you will be arrested. Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #17
Video Night Watchman Jul 2016 #10
They should be held responsible They essentially SWATted that poor guy. tblue37 Jul 2016 #14
Human Rights Watch on UAE: Act_of_Reparation Jul 2016 #22

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,325 posts)
2. It's going to be hard to show malice unless the callers implicate themselves.
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 11:07 PM
Jul 2016

The sister and father were making calls based on second hand information from the clerk. Like a bad game of "operator" but with AR-15s.

The fact remains the cops wayyyyyy over reacted.

There was never any reports of any violence or threats of violence. The only information the cops had was a man on a phone.

What the fuck ever happened to "send a car" and ascertain the situation? Instead they go in like there was an active shooter.

Furthermore, once they arrived and realized they had a businessman on the phone, they should have released him immediately. Instead, they went trhrough his belongings like a meth-house bust suspect and treated him very rudely.

Now the cops want to cover their ass.

Fuck that.

Like Keystone cops, but with steroids and AR-15s.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
18. If nothing else, that female clerk needs to be outed and shamed
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:07 PM
Jul 2016

Jesus Fucking Christ I didn't even know 911 took secondhand calls about 'suspicious people' seriously, much less gear up like they were doing another Navy SEAL Bin Laden raid...

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
20. Please... She'll probably get the key to the city
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:14 PM
Jul 2016

and an invitation to throw out the next first pitch at an Indians game

No Vested Interest

(5,166 posts)
4. But Homeland Security has told Americans "See Something,
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 11:28 PM
Jul 2016

Say Something."
Doesn't Homeland Security know that many US citizens are :1. ignorant, 2. paranoid or 3. impulsive?

No Vested Interest

(5,166 posts)
9. In their minds, the clerk "saw something" - Middle-Eastern clothing, and heard
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 02:31 AM
Jul 2016

"foreign language " speech, which her relatives, at least, perceived to be a threat.

Maybe Homeland Security needs to be more specific about the "what" to say something about (i.e.-report to authorities.)

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
5. Clerk didn't make these false allegations to the police. She supposedly made it to her relatives.
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 11:58 PM
Jul 2016

When relatives called 911, presumably they believed they were telling the truth.
So I fail to see what charges can be brought here.
Are they going to charge clerk for telling stories to her relatives? Is that illegal?

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
6. And what happens when an American woman walks the streets of UAE in traditional American clothing?
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:25 AM
Jul 2016

If they want us to tolerate them (and we certainly should) then they should also tolerate us (which they should, but don't).

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
13. Even female network journalists reporting from there cover their arms and head.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:18 PM
Jul 2016

If you think an American woman could walk the streets with bare arms in the UAE then you are delusional.

Google "UAE Dress Code for Tourists" for a small taste of intolerance of normal American manner of dress.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
15. There's no dress code enforced for tourists in UAE...
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 05:46 AM
Jul 2016

I've seen plenty of tourists walking around with bare arms in the UAE. Even bikinis. Are you confusing UAE with Iran perhaps?

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
16. That could be.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:35 PM
Jul 2016

I was repeating something told to me by a friend who worked in the UAE in the 1970s and 80s. Perhaps things have changed. But Google still turns up a lot of images of signs proclaiming the public dress code.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
17. That's not really correct. If your clothing is not 'gender conforming' you will be arrested.
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 02:19 PM
Jul 2016

It's not a surprise that mainstream, straight folks think there are no rules, there are none for them. That's a function of privilege, not a proof of equality and justice.

tblue37

(65,328 posts)
14. They should be held responsible They essentially SWATted that poor guy.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:46 PM
Jul 2016

Oh, and the aggressive cops should be disciplined and the PD and city should have to pay a significant settlement.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
22. Human Rights Watch on UAE:
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 03:21 PM
Jul 2016
The United Arab Emirates (UAE) often uses its affluence to mask the government’s serious human rights problems. The government arbitrarily detains, and in some cases forcibly disappears, individuals who criticized the authorities, and its security forces face allegations of torturing detaineeds. A new anti-discrimination law further jeopardizes free speech and is discriminatory, as it excludes references to gender and sexuality. Authorities denied access to the country to activists who criticized the UAE’s mistreatment of migrant workers. Labor abuses persist, as migrant construction workers facing serious exploitation. Female domestic workers are excluded from regulations that apply to workers in other sectors.


https://www.hrw.org/middle-east/n-africa/united-arab-emirates

This guy deserves justice, but UAE officials being "dismayed" about how he was treated... don't make me laugh.
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