I always wondered what this chilling quote from Bush adviser Karl Rove meant in practice-Now we know

[kpete]

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/faith-certainty-and-the-presidency-of-george-w-bush.html?_r=0





NOW WE KNOW

Chilcot Report:
http://www.iraqinquiry.org.uk/media/246416/the-report-of-the-iraq-inquiry_executive-summary.pdf

[calimary]

1. One of THE key quotes of the new century.

We forget this one at our peril.

[Botany]

2. aka .... We are gonna lie our asses off

cheat elctions, put don siegleman into jail, and lie to start a war and Rove and his
"new reality" right in the middle.


J. Goebbels, “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

[PatSeg]

3. That NY Times article

was a disturbing walk down memory lane. A reminder that it was even worse than I sometimes remember.

[LuvNewcastle]

4. That's exactly what the right has done.

For the past 35 years or so, they have created this new reality where facts don't matter and learned people are ridiculed.

Fox News and other media outlets reinforce this new reality. That's why Fox watchers are such addicts and RWers insist on talking about politics all the time. When they're away from Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. they are in another reality that they don't grasp and it makes them very uncomfortable.

[PatSeg]

5. I miss the days when

non-political people talked about sports, TV, the neighbors, religion, etc. Republicans lured those people to the polls and now they are stuck with them and we are stuck with the choices they made.

[ck4829]

6. Indeed. George Santayana: "Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it" (Paraphrased)

The American Right: "Those who remember the past hate America, are secret Muslims, and are probably gay too"

[arcane1]

12. We were bombing Iraq over WMD lies before Bush. It's not just republicans who are guilty.

They are just more obvious about it.

[Mika]

7. Sadly, the reality of misery the US creates continues to this day. eom

[47of74]

8. He should be in prison for the next 10,000 years.

[heaven05]

9. PNAC IN A NUTSHELL

they mean every word they say. It's a holy crusade with them too. Bush even said that, after 9/11.

[Gabi Hayes]

10. dunno why, but I knew that was the quote you were going to use.

can we go back to the ridiculously inept prosecution of the Scooter, and rehash the reasons Rove was NOT hauled away in chains? remember when Fitzgerald was hailed as the second coming, and what a joke that turned out to be?

and is there a statute of limitations on treason?

[lonestarnot]

20. No there is not.

[forest444]

11. Tip of the iceberg.

But it's a good start.

[wiggs]

13. Exactly what they've done. Not a Karl Rove quote though. nt

[Boomerproud]

19. Who said this then? Can you provide a link?

I'm not being snarky, just prefer to attribute the quote to the correct person(s).

[lonestarnot]

21. Really?

[herding cats]

23. My understanding is it's now sourced to Rove.

Originally (2004?) it was said to be an "unnamed aide in the article, but has since been attributed to Karl Rove.

[wiggs]

25. You're right. I read Suskind originally and have looked up the quote many times in the past and

never saw it attributed to a named source until now.

[wiggs]

14. We should talk about Rove's political use of office, encouraging money to be

spent in districts to help elect republicans. I believe it was investigated....but no charges.

[ansible]

15. Reminds me of this scene from The Boondocks

[wiggs]

16. why can't dems use this quote every week, every DAY, when GOPrs come up with blatantly

false assertions about every single issue out there? Applies today even more so than back then.

[wiggs]

17. Mentioned on Hartmann just a bit ago w props to Kpete! nt

[awoke_in_2003]

18. It sounded like something

O'Brien would have said in 1984

[Rex]

22. It shows their criminal culpability in black and white.

So now can we get a court case against them? The Hague should be informed.

[bemildred]

24. Yep, that's what he meant.

Sort of the Divine Right of Bullshit.