I pray for the life of the store clerk who just admitted he has cell phone video of the shooting

[uponit7771]

... of sterling who was shot in the back on the ground multiple times.

This was a live report on MSNBC, the guy said the cops at the time of the shooting took the surveillance tape from his store but he took a cell phone vid... which the cops on the scene did not have access to.

he said he has NOT turned the cell phone vid over to the police yet... the mans name is Obdulah (sp)


This was just on MSNBC... of course they pivoted back to Clemail as if that was the most important shit of the minute... folk like him are obviously scared of local LEOs and don't turn shit over to them after they see what the look like is a murder


regards

[TCJ70]

1. Good luck to him...

...and hopefully his footage ends up in the right hands.

[uponit7771]

2. amen

[Beaverhausen]

3. I can't believe the cops took the stores surveillance video

They are murderers plain and simple.

[uponit7771]

6. +1, the store clerk said they claimed they had a warrant but they wouldn't produce one for him

... even if they're correct in the shooting (which 4 times in the back is suspicious in itself) they should NOT be let go for how the acted afterwards.

Both body cams not working?!

REALLY?!!?

[Lint Head]

4. Post it on the internet as soon as possible.

[uponit7771]

7. YES... YES... After his experience I would not trust the local LEOs

[HeartoftheMidwest]

8. And send copies to the local papers, civil rights groups...

...the FBI, citizen protection groups...get it everywhere.
And arrest those cops.

[Iggo]

5. Cops.

That's who they are.

That's what they do.

[liberalnarb]

9. Abdullah Muflahi - shopkeeper.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027983311

[uponit7771]

11. Yeap, that's the first video, the shop keeper has the second video and outed it on MSNBC and they

... cut to Clemail while they had some real breaking news to report.

The second video the shop owner said he took right by the door ...

We'll see, these guys already look sleazy taking the shop video etc...

[RockaFowler]

10. Daily Beast has the video

I could only watch a portion of it.

[uponit7771]

12. Does he have the shop owners video or the video from the car? There are now two vids of the shooting

... shot from different angles.

He said on MSNBC it wasn't published or turned over and it sounded as if he outed the video right then... they of course cut to Clemail...

Oh, Cornacky just mentioned that there could be a second video

[uponit7771]

13. Edit... he posted it... thank God, I still pray for the shop keepers life... some LEO depts are rott

... rotten to the core

[RockaFowler]

14. Me too

This whole situation has me scared of all of our young people

I have a personal problem with police officers after what they did to my husband. I can't handle this anymore. It has to stop NOW!

[MariaThinks]

15. We should all pray.

[cleanhippie]

23. For what? What possible good would that do?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

27. Pray for what? nt

[liberalmuse]

16. If there actually were a god...

and prayer worked, no one would ever be targeted and shot because of something as superficial as their ethnicity or skin color. Prayer isn't going to fix this. There is no "god" out there who gives a shit. It all falls on us. Especially those of us who can walk down the street or drive in their cars without worrying that some racist is going to pull them over and shoot them. Too many people who have no idea of what their brothers and sisters are going through choose to ignore racism and bigotry, and sometimes that's worse than outright racism and bigotry.

[uponit7771]

17. I dont know any God that has promised what you claim

[liberalmuse]

18. That's my point.

There is no god.

[uponit7771]

19. That's like saying there's no government cause bad things happen, that's not a logical position...

... relative to the facts.

There's usually a established benefits for the relationship with an sentient being, saying there was nothing delivered without some type of agreement doesn't seem sound.

[LeftyMom]

21. Epicurus cleared this up for you 2200 years ago.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

[uponit7771]

22. Both able and willing but sovereign on the matter because there's no promise of immunity from evil

... or the effects of environment.

The able and willing is comes from grace not from a promise that is written.

Again, I'm still waiting on that deity that says there will be no evil ever to befall on anyone...

I don't know of any deity that has claimed such...

do you?

tia

[cleanhippie]

25. Being obtuse is so unbecoming.

[uponit7771]

26. Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position

[cleanhippie]

32. So is feigned ignorance.

Doesn't seem to be stopping you though.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

29. Oh FFS! nt

[uponit7771]

31. So is that the answer to the question in the post you replied to? tia

[ChisolmTrailDem]

35. There is no such thing as a "God" or a deity. That you would push that mythology...

...here puts you in the position of subjecting yourself to the same reaction that believers in holistic medicine, UFOs, and holographic planes on 9/11 get when they push their nonsense.

[uponit7771]

36. That's still not an answer to the question, its simple enough no? tia

[LeftyMom]

30. So your neighbor's children are going to burn but you never promised to hose off his house.

Got it.

I'm sure glad religious people are around to explain morality to the rest of us.

[uponit7771]

34. Or... how about I try to get the children out before it burns down instead of trying to fight a ...

... house fire with faucet hose?

Are you really proffering these types of anecdotes to a logical rational question?

It seems simple enough and there's the internet to link and quote, so far I get nothing...

sigh

[ChisolmTrailDem]

37. Where's the "rational" part? nt

[uponit7771]

40. Its there with people who aren't proffering ad homs and want a discussion vs a fight, its simple...

... enough.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

44. How can saying "there is no god" be construed as an "ad hominem"? Do you know...

...what ad hominem means?

[uponit7771]

51. Pay attention to the subthread first and you'll figure out your own question.

[cleanhippie]

47. Spoken like someone who has no answer to such a simple question.

Quelle surprise

[uponit7771]

52. I already did, I said there is no such promise and then asked for the counter and after almost 15

.... replies I get intimation that I have no answer as if I didn't ask the question.

Sigh, such deflection... come on people... don't get all riled and shit... come now, let us reason together.

[cleanhippie]

38. ...logical rational question."

They idea of a God is inherently illogical and irrational. But you knew that already.

[uponit7771]

45. Irrational is a seemingly consummate ignoring a of a question that can easily be answered with the..

... resources around us.

On the other hand, the notion that all of this is random is mathematically improbable ... now that's something similar company usually try to ignore .... too

Come now, lets us reason together

[cleanhippie]

48. Resources? What resources?

There's a resource showing that a god actually exists and what they want/say?

That's news to me! Please share!

[anigbrowl]

53. Fuck that

Someone who allows evil to take place against the innocent on the basis of some unstated principle of non-involvement is an asshole and if such a divine being existed it would be unworthy of worship. Christians are exhorted to recite a prayer that specifically requests God to 'deliver us from evil,' and while that might mean helping us not to stain our immortal soul with evil acts, I think the vast majority of believers are under the impression that if something evil is happening to you it's appropriate to pray to God for assistance, which according to you will never be forthcoming. Sounds like a shitty deal to me. Also, since I have chosen to intervene, at risk to myself, to help someone else who was suffering, that means if we use your standards of appropriate intervention I'm actually better than God.

[cleanhippie]

24. "...relative to the facts." Just what facts are you referring to?

[uponit7771]

28. Those stated, I proffer there's no deity promising what people claim is proof there's no God...

... there's no need to hold a sentient being to an agreement they didn't agree to.

I asking for the claim of something like "... there will be no evil to befall you ever for following me..." from any deity...

I don't know of any

thx in advance

[cleanhippie]

33. Any god that commits evil certainly isnt going to prevent it.

Do you know of any God that hasn't committed evil?

I don't know any.

Thx in advance.

[uponit7771]

39. That's not an answer to the question relative to the sub-thread, when has any deity said no evil...

... will ever befall on anyone anymore or something like that?

I don't get it, I get ad homs and snark and a quite to no glance at the simple question.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

41. That's right, you don't get it. Get this: NO DEITY HAS EVER EXISTED...

...to say anything...at all. Nothing. Nada.

Zilch.

[cleanhippie]

42. It's not a simple question at all.

Holy texts are worthless garbage due to their inherent nature of being open to interpretation by the reader. (See the 5000+ religions in recorded history).

We can argue about what "God said" until the cows come home, and there still will not be a winner of the argument.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

46. "God" never said anything or did anything. Or even ever existed. nt

[cleanhippie]

50. Shhhh. I'm trying to get this poster to admit what they already know.

It's cheap entertainment watching one twist them self into a pretzel!

[Rex]

49. Probably there are no gods or goddesses.

We have yet to see actual footage of the Mothership landing or Zeus throwing lightening at terrified tourists. Probably is a good word imo.

[awoke_in_2003]

20. Always give it to the media

before you admit to having it. It might save your life or harassment.

[Rex]

43. It was on TV here, at a friends house. Looked like straight up murder.

I've been yelled at for saying cops murder people and that is true they don't. Pigs murder people. Pigs and convicts have something in common.

[TheDebbieDee]

54. His cell phone video is already being shown on TV. If anything happens to him

the local police will be the most likely suspects and I'm sure the cops know that! They'll make sure this gentleman stays safe...