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forgotmylogin

(7,520 posts)
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 09:57 AM Jul 2016

This has got to stop: a MN man was shot during routine stop for busted taillight

In front of his girlfriend and a child

Guardian link http://bit.ly/29kpWyW

In the video, the woman says the officer asked her boyfriend for his license and registration. She says the man told the officer it was in his wallet but that he also had a pistol he was licensed to carry.

“The officer said, ‘Don’t move,”’ the woman in the video says. “As he was putting his hands back up, the officer shot him in the arm four or five times.”

At one point, the policeman can be heard saying: “I told him not to reach for it. I told him to get his hand out.”


What's the solution? Should people drive with their ID and wallet on the dashboard so there's no chance a twitchy cop will mistake a reach for a wallet for an attempt to draw a weapon?
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This has got to stop: a MN man was shot during routine stop for busted taillight (Original Post) forgotmylogin Jul 2016 OP
This is appalling, and charges should be filed against the officer. bench scientist Jul 2016 #1
The video is heartbreaking. forgotmylogin Jul 2016 #2
yes , and there is no concern on cops part for the poor man dying. bench scientist Jul 2016 #6
"This has got to stop". I hear this EVERY. FUCKING. TIME!......... socialist_n_TN Jul 2016 #3
This is fucking brutal BeyondGeography Jul 2016 #4
Purge the police of cowards and the people who train them to be cowards. Iggo Jul 2016 #5
Purge the police forces of racists and bigots meow2u3 Jul 2016 #7
Yeah, I forgot that one. Drug test. Drug test. Drug test. Drug test. Iggo Jul 2016 #8
Someone this twitchy shouldn't be a cop. forgotmylogin Jul 2016 #10
Another roided up executioner probably Calculating Jul 2016 #9
Fuck this shit. Initech Jul 2016 #11
"What's the solution?" dixiegrrrrl Jul 2016 #12
By this point I'm in favor of all rank-and-file cops Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #13
Yep. I wouldn't trust most cops with guns. hunter Jul 2016 #14
And he wasn't the one driving. Jazzgirl Jul 2016 #15

forgotmylogin

(7,520 posts)
2. The video is heartbreaking.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 10:06 AM
Jul 2016

All the woman can do is narrate the proceedings at gunpoint as her boyfriend dies in the seat next to her.

bench scientist

(1,107 posts)
6. yes , and there is no concern on cops part for the poor man dying.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 10:44 AM
Jul 2016

No tourniquet applied, no first aid rendered- just a gun pointed at a compliant woman and child who witnessed the murder of a loved one.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
3. "This has got to stop". I hear this EVERY. FUCKING. TIME!.........
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 10:09 AM
Jul 2016

one of these incidents happens. And its the same MO by the establishment's enforcers, the murder, the character assassination, the "investigation" that results MOST of the time in a whitewash. On the rare occasion it goes to trial, there's an acquittal and no one EVER actually goes to jail. Hell, most of the time they don't even lose their jobs.

This is pure intimidation by the enforcers of the establishment on the most oppressed segment of the population. And it won't stop until we have a true revolution and these guys are tried by a people's tribunal made up OF that most oppressed segment of the population.

Iggo

(47,534 posts)
5. Purge the police of cowards and the people who train them to be cowards.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 10:24 AM
Jul 2016

Purge the police of liars and the people who train them to be liars.

Purge the police of killers and the people who train them to be killers.

Video. Video. Video. Video. All damn day. And I mean ALL damn day.

You don't want to be on camera 100% of your day? Then don't be a cop.

You don't stop killers by training better victims.

To stop the killing, you have to stop the killers.

meow2u3

(24,759 posts)
7. Purge the police forces of racists and bigots
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 10:48 AM
Jul 2016

Also, purge the people who recruit, or refuse to screen out, racists and bigots.

Drug test cops at random. Cops are notorious for pumping themselves up with steroids.

Purge cops suspected of having PTSD. Law enforcement is no place for a shell-shocked veteran whose mental wounds have not healed.

Iggo

(47,534 posts)
8. Yeah, I forgot that one. Drug test. Drug test. Drug test. Drug test.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 10:53 AM
Jul 2016

Don't want to drug test? Don't be a cop.

forgotmylogin

(7,520 posts)
10. Someone this twitchy shouldn't be a cop.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 11:06 AM
Jul 2016

We need to hold law enforcement to superhero life-preserving standards, not gestapo executioner standards.

On Twitter I was informed that it's normal if a policeman is informed of concealed-carry weapon to draw their gun for safety. I'm fine with that. The girlfriend reported that the victim reached for his wallet as he informed the officer and was told to get his hands out instead, he complied, then was shot as he put his hand back up. So this cop is either some kind of quick-draw artist and fired before the victim had time to comply, or he had his gun out before approach.

Plus...the driver did nothing wrong except having a broken tail light, and had two passengers, one of them a child. That should be some context clues that this isn't going to immediately escalate to gunfire.

If this had been a white family and the cop shot a father in front of his wife and child in this manner, he'd be in jail.

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
9. Another roided up executioner probably
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 11:00 AM
Jul 2016

Murdering psychopath cops on the rampage again, and of course the victims seem to be black males. In this case the cop shot a guy for reaching for his ID after TELLING the guy to get his ID. WTF? Are cops seriously so trigger happy and paranoid? Do they doubt their ability to shoot the guy in time, if they see he's actually pulling out a gun? Things can't keep going on like this or we might have some real riots again. Cops seriously need to be reigned in and disciplined harshly when they screw up this bad.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
12. "What's the solution?"
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:34 PM
Jul 2016

Given all the emerging proof that cops are racist, more police depts. might have to be under Federal watchdogs.
Seems to have worked for some police depts.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
13. By this point I'm in favor of all rank-and-file cops
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 12:55 PM
Jul 2016

being totally unarmed...

Let SWAT or the local equivalent handle situations where an armed response is needed... The regular cops go naked, and we'll see a 180-degree turn in their attitudes in about 30 seconds...

hunter

(38,302 posts)
14. Yep. I wouldn't trust most cops with guns.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jul 2016

Guns are not terribly useful for self defense anyways. A bad guy who wants to shoot a cop will shoot first and do it when the victim least expects it.

I think a few years teaching in a rough urban public school would be good training for cops.

Teachers are not allowed to shoot or physically assault the kids who are disruptive. Teachers have to learn non-violent means of asserting their authority.

There are far too many cops who are bad guys themselves, their fragile egos held together by guns, steroids, and various other forms of power tripping.


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