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Saviolo

(3,280 posts)
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:01 AM Jul 2016

Law professor's response to BLM shirt complaint.

A student at a law school sent an anonymous letter to a professor to complain about his wearing a Black Lives Matter shirt to class one day. The law professor decided to take this as an opportunity for a teachable moment both on Black Lives Matter, as well as effective legal writing.

You can read the whole thing here:

http://imgur.com/a/YkDVQ

Definitely worth taking the time to read the exchange. There's no "He destroys this student!!!!!11one" and no vitriol or hatred, just a very calm and collected teaching moment.

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Law professor's response to BLM shirt complaint. (Original Post) Saviolo Jul 2016 OP
Thank you for this post. Glorfindel Jul 2016 #1
Indeed! Saviolo Jul 2016 #4
Priceless! leftofcool Jul 2016 #2
That was a great read. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #3
What a smack down. I trust the students are humiliated. Shrike47 Jul 2016 #5
I believe the Professor did indeed "destroy the student" in the manner of a Javaman Jul 2016 #6
But it was a well-measured and thorough response Saviolo Jul 2016 #7
oh absolutely. Javaman Jul 2016 #9
And there is the crux of it. Saviolo Jul 2016 #10
LOL ... How do you suppose the lesson will be taken? 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #13
Well, given I don't know a single thing about the student Saviolo Jul 2016 #17
That's called malaise Jul 2016 #8
Those students severely underestimated their professor groundloop Jul 2016 #11
I suspect, and would bet, that there are no "those students" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #18
Some Rapepublican no doubt put them up to it. forest444 Jul 2016 #12
Well, they're already law students Saviolo Jul 2016 #14
I HATE it when large blocks of text are posted as images. Sentath Jul 2016 #15
Great read. Thank you. geardaddy Jul 2016 #16
Thank you for sharing this Pluvious Jul 2016 #19
REALLY people?! REVOnotTV16 Jul 2016 #20
I think... Saviolo Jul 2016 #21
Perhaps you only read the student's letter and not the professor's response. tclambert Jul 2016 #24
Any organization that goes against oppression will be demonized by the oppressors even those who don uponit7771 Jul 2016 #25
Read the SECOND letter at the link. It's the law professors explanation of why pnwmom Jul 2016 #27
It is an interesting opportunity to discuss differing interpretations of language. tclambert Jul 2016 #22
Someone started another thread here: Saviolo Jul 2016 #23
maybe in a perfect world & it ain't perfect. pansypoo53219 Jul 2016 #26
I do hope this turns out to be "legit," and the letters are what they are presented to be. I can Hissyspit Jul 2016 #28

Saviolo

(3,280 posts)
4. Indeed!
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:30 AM
Jul 2016

And it requires a thorough discussion.

As I tweeted this morning in response to everything going on, the situation right now is complicated. If your Hot Take fits in 140 characters, I'm sorry, but it's wrong!

We need more discussion and fewer buzzwords.

Javaman

(62,521 posts)
6. I believe the Professor did indeed "destroy the student" in the manner of a
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:57 AM
Jul 2016

sledge hammer in a velvet glove.

Saviolo

(3,280 posts)
7. But it was a well-measured and thorough response
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:59 AM
Jul 2016

Which is what I appreciated about it. Teachable moment and all that. Now it's up to the student. If they take what the teacher said in the spirit of how it was provided, they will be improved, and not destroyed.

Javaman

(62,521 posts)
9. oh absolutely.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:37 AM
Jul 2016

but a deft hand with words can deliver a much more withering beat down than a physical one.

It was truly a teachable moment. One that made the person writing the anonymous letter, no doubt, feel very meek indeed.

My only hope is that the anonymous writer has the ability of critical thought.

Saviolo

(3,280 posts)
10. And there is the crux of it.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:42 AM
Jul 2016

If they take it to heart, they will learn something important and be improved.

If they take it personally, they will become defensive and close their minds further.

Saviolo

(3,280 posts)
17. Well, given I don't know a single thing about the student
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 12:06 PM
Jul 2016

I have no way. I refuse to give up hope, though.

Maybe for this student, all it will take is one compassionate and articulate prof to not belittle them, and educate them instead.

The whole story could be invented for all I know, but in light of what's happening right now, I really want to hold on to the hope that this will help.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
11. Those students severely underestimated their professor
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:42 AM
Jul 2016

That was a fantastic response, I hope the students who complained actually took the time to read and digest his words (though I have a feeling they didn't because of their preexisting biases).

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
18. I suspect, and would bet, that there are no "those students" ...
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 12:07 PM
Jul 2016

just a single student who believes he/she speaks for all students ... though I, also, suspect the missive was shown to others as a, "Put him/her in her/his place" piece ... and it was met with a chorus of "Yup", whether the secondary viewers agreed with the literal message (and/or the intent of the piece) or not ... people love to watch a train-wreck that happened or is occurring.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
12. Some Rapepublican no doubt put them up to it.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:49 AM
Jul 2016

I really doubt those brats came up with this on their own, such as it is.

Saviolo

(3,280 posts)
14. Well, they're already law students
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 12:04 PM
Jul 2016

So, I would not be surprised if whoever it is wrote this themselves. Most law students I've ever met have a pretty high written aptitude.

But the prejudice could have come from anywhere. We don't know anything about this student. There's no reason to be ugly, call them brats, call names.

Focus on the response and let's just hope it sinks in. As someone above stated, this student really did get schooled. This could be the teachable moment that breaks one casual racist's cycle of passing racism down through generations. Maybe they got it from parents and family, and this one compassionate and articulate teacher decided not to belittle them, but instead educate them.

Let the ugly go!

Sentath

(2,243 posts)
15. I HATE it when large blocks of text are posted as images.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 12:04 PM
Jul 2016

I worry when I cannot find any other reference to this document

And, I wanted to like it, but I understand how to attack it. He violates the principle he sets out with the Confederate flag. People on the inside do not always get to say what their symbol means to people on the outside.

Pluvious

(4,309 posts)
19. Thank you for sharing this
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 12:09 PM
Jul 2016

We can only hope the student actually read it through, and gained some badly needed value and perspective.

REVOnotTV16

(1 post)
20. REALLY people?!
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 12:23 PM
Jul 2016

Nothing could be further from the truth! BLM is NOT racist and IS NOT anti-law enforcement. Any violence incited is by those who fail to acknowledge that police are in fact killing people of color for no reason, and we are sick and tired of. We will defend ourselves - and pay the normal cost with our lives. Obviously, from the remarks in this thread, you enjoy white privilege or cannot, or will not, admit that racism is alive, well and growing in this country and the police are the main harborer of it – state sanctioned violence against us since the beginning of our time here and zero accountability. Can you not see that the police disproportionally stop, harass, belittle, brutalize, beat up, jail and kill people of color for no reason? There is an entire system of injustice.

Dead for selling loose cigarettes, dead for selling CDs where he had done so for years with the store owners permission and dead for being black and FEARED. Is this reasonable, people? We are tired of living in a society that assumes that we are guilty and dangerous and that we can be killed without reprisal – and that our lives have no value, thus Black Lives Matter.

You too, drank the kool-aid of ‘if your life is not great, it’s because of the black or brown people,’ not the banksters, corporations, disastrous trade policies or bought and paid for congress-critters that have taken your rights, your opportunities and your money and given it to the rich.

It is so sad that you cannot see what is plainly in front of you.

Saviolo

(3,280 posts)
21. I think...
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 12:26 PM
Jul 2016

I think you may have created this account to post this particular to reply to a different thread, maybe?

I don't think anyone in this thread is implying any of the things you're saying they're implying, here.

Was your target another thread?

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
24. Perhaps you only read the student's letter and not the professor's response.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 01:34 PM
Jul 2016

This thread praises the professor's response to the attack on wearing a BLM T-shirt. It calmly takes apart the student's accusations as to what he/she thinks "Black Lives Matter" means. The assertions that BLM is racist and anti-law enforcement comes from the student's letter. The second letter, the professor's response, explains the errors in this interpretation.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
25. Any organization that goes against oppression will be demonized by the oppressors even those who don
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 01:42 PM
Jul 2016

... don't directly demonize it'd be their mindset.

There's nothing BLM has done that warrants any type of negative designation

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
27. Read the SECOND letter at the link. It's the law professors explanation of why
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 02:54 PM
Jul 2016

his t-shirt said BLACK LIVES MATTER.

It does not mean "only black lives matter." The word "only" isn't implicit.

What IS implicit is something like:

"Because of the brutalizing and killing of black people at the hands of the police and the indifference of society in general and the criminal justice system in particular, it is important that we say" . . . BLACK LIVES MATTER.

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
22. It is an interesting opportunity to discuss differing interpretations of language.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 01:24 PM
Jul 2016

Legal proceedings often stem from different interpretations of the same words. Contract language frequently reads so formally and repetitively that it puts regular people to sleep. Lawyers write this way in order to eliminate as much ambiguity as possible.

If a disagreement as to the meaning of certain language arises, a judge may have to study the circumstances surrounding the statement to rule on which meaning more likely reflects the originator's intent. That's practically all the Supreme Court does.

In the case of the phrase "Black Lives Matter," some detractors have taken to pretending it means "Only Black Lives Matter." Adding that "only" in front makes a profound difference to the meaning. I sometimes think it would have helped if the phrase had not been shortened so much, and included one more word to make the meaning rock solid, perhaps "Black Lives Do Matter," or "Black Lives Matter, Too."since the phrase came about as a response to events that seemed to say, "Black Lives Don't Matter." I haven't heard anyone, not one person, in the BLM movement interpret the phrase as meaning "Only Black Lives Matter." Pretending that they do is what is known in argumentation as a straw man argument.

Saviolo

(3,280 posts)
23. Someone started another thread here:
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 01:30 PM
Jul 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027990382

That really nicely sums it all up. This little explanation made the rounds a few months back, I remember, and it's coming back around again, which is great.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
28. I do hope this turns out to be "legit," and the letters are what they are presented to be. I can
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 07:05 AM
Jul 2016

find no outside verification of the. Then, too, the professor's response could be real, but the anonymous letter, of course, could be from anyone.

Would be nice to know what school this occurred at.

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