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uawchild

(2,208 posts)
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 02:42 PM Jul 2016

"Decadence of western elites threatening world peace", a scary Euromaidan "View"

Euromaidan Press
News and Views from Ukraine

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"The usual strategy of western elites has been ignoring or downplaying crucial problems. But it is not only Russia, and “happy-talking” is connected to more topics, such as the failure of the Schengen treaty in connection with mass migration to western EU countries, the failure of the Euro in Greece and the future of the EU in general.

There are roughly two categories:

1. Regarding internal EU problems such as the energy market, mass migration and political Islam the strategy has been to suppress inconvenient facts if they run counter to what has been established as a „correct“ view of the issue, focusing on the positive sides which however do not turn out too positive if analyzed thoroughly, leading to many questions instead. Few of them are discussed seriously.

2. On the international stage „diplomacy“ has been given supremacy, underlined regularly by western political leaders with the “there is no military solution” statement. However diplomacy so far has not solved a single of the big geopolitical problems. Instead, it developed to a tool in order to mask the lack of transparency and openness, and to sell political solutions the majority of citizens might not consent with (see for example the Iran-deal in the US). One effect of “diplomacy” is surely the strange „objectivity“-paradigm establishing as essential all sides can voice their opinions as long as there is no “evidence”, and media or political representatives have no moral concerns to give military aggressors (especially Russia) sufficient space for their truth.

Such behavior has serious consequences as it means to give up own values and arguments – and therefore can also be termed a decadence of western elites.

The most important is surely that the West has given up on the idea and its philosophical tradition that there can be only one truth which can be established by simple reasoning. This breaks down further in giving up on other rules that have been proved crucial for European welfare and security such as being convinced borders and national identities do no longer matter."

http://euromaidanpress.com/2016/06/08/decadence-of-western-elites-threatening-world-peace/

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Woah. That is some scary stuff from the Euromaidan Press in Ukraine.

This quote sent shivers up my spine: "However diplomacy so far has not solved a single of the big geopolitical problems."
So the alternative to diplomacy is what? War? Ah. I see.

This one is hardcore too: "This breaks down further in giving up on other rules that have been proved crucial for European welfare and security such as being convinced borders and national identities do no longer matter." Sounds like a call for rampant nationalism, doesn't it? Shiver.

And this bit sounds flat out racsist: "Regarding internal EU problems such as the energy market, mass migration and political Islam the strategy has been to suppress inconvenient facts if they run counter to what has been established as a „correct“ view of the issue"

Good lord, this Euromaidan Press sounds like a bunch of fascists. What is going on in Ukraine that this BS is mainstream there?

"Euromaidan Press is an online newspaper founded in 2014. As a media outlet, EP focuses on news and events in and relating to Ukraine, and is driven by articles both from professionals and experts, as well as volunteer contributions. Specializing in translations of local Ukrainian news outlets, EP strives to be the go-to bridge between Ukraine and the English-speaking world."

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"Decadence of western elites threatening world peace", a scary Euromaidan "View" (Original Post) uawchild Jul 2016 OP
You ever see this documentary? HappyinLA Jul 2016 #1
Thanks for the link uawchild Jul 2016 #2
you just come off as a bigot or propagandist. your wannabe analysis is a bad joke uhnope Jul 2016 #3

HappyinLA

(129 posts)
1. You ever see this documentary?
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 02:50 PM
Jul 2016

"What Our Fathers Did" ? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4668808/

At the end they go to the Ukraine. The son who refuses to accept that his father was a Nazi, and part of the final solution, is seen by the Ukrainians as damn near a hero. They embrace their Nazi past there, because for them the alternative was the Soviets.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
2. Thanks for the link
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 03:01 PM
Jul 2016

No, I will see if I can get it. Thanks.

Yeah, their is a history all right of right wing nationalism as a response to Soviet domination all over eastern Europe.
My favorite is the Latvian Waffen SS unit.


Latvian SS-Legion marching next to Dome Cathedral in Riga on Latvian Independence Day, 1943

Oberführer Adolf Ax, commander of the 15th Division, reported on 27 January 1945: "They are first and foremost Latvians. They want a sustainable Latvian nation state. Forced to choose between Germany and Russia, they have chosen Germany, because they seek co-operation with western civilization. The rule of the Germans seems to them to be the lesser of two evils"

The Latvians pathetic excuse, pardon me, justification for joining the SS was, and I paraphrase, "First we would have defeated the Russians, than we would have defeated the Germans". They actual said that as an explanation.

And this Latvian SS unit, also called the Latvian Legion, is STILL being honored in Latvia today.

"In 1990, Legion veterans started commemorating March 16 in Latvia. In 1998 Latvia's Saeima (parliament) voted this to be an official national remembrance day. The word "Legion" was, however, excluded from the remembrance day's name, in order to include all those who fought against the Soviets, both during World War II, and as resistance fighters afterwards. International pressure forced the Saeima to remove March 16 from the list of "State remembrance days" in 2000.

March 16 events have been quite confrontational in recent years, with Latvian nationalist organizations (such as All For Latvia! and National Power Unity) marching in support of the Latvian Legion, and predominantly-Russian organizations (For Human Rights in United Latvia) holding protests and attempting to block the marches. Due to a particularly harsh controversy around the official commemoration of the Remembrance day of the Latvian legionnaires in 1998, the Latvian officials refrain from its official honoring. Currently, the official position of Latvian authorities is that the Day is a primarily private business of the veterans and their relatives.[26]

On 21 February 2012 The Council of Europe’s Commission against Racism and Intolerance published its report on Latvia (fourth monitoring cycle), in which it condemned commemorations of persons who fought in the Waffen SS and collaborated with the Nazis.[27] ECRI expressed concerns as regards to the authorisation of a gathering, commemorating soldiers who had fought in a Latvian unit of the Waffen SS, that takes place every year on 16 March and is held in the centre of Riga, and expressed dismay at the authorisation by the competent courts of an event set to celebrate the Nazi occupation of Riga (on 1 July).[28] It also expressed concern, that the former Minister of Foreign Affairs had not condemned the march, and on the contrary, supported it."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latvian_Legion

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
3. you just come off as a bigot or propagandist. your wannabe analysis is a bad joke
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 03:50 PM
Jul 2016

you just come off as an anti-Ukraine bigot trying to find things that are not there. You've been soiling DU lately with hysterical overreactions to anything you deem to be "Russophobic" and yet here you go. Your long, angry multi-edited reply yesterday to someone's educated overview of the Soviet space program is classic.

I don't think you're a paid Putin shill because then your talking points would be better. In the end I don't get why you feel the need to come to a progressive, democratic website and start complaining about people picking on poor little fascist dictator Putin, about how nobody appreciates the good reasons for Russian's invasion and occupation of Ukraine or carpetbombing of Syria, and now about those evil Maidan people and how they wrote something bad. Darn those Ukrainians for insisting on existing in what's left of their country, right?

WTF

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