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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 02:58 PM Jul 2016

CNN: 559 people killed by police so far this year

While watch CNN today in it's coverage of the Dallas shooting, one person mentioned that 559 people have been killed by police so far this year.

While in no way diminishing the horror and tragedy of the killing of police in Dallas, this may have been in the mind of the killer.

Before he was killed he told police that he was upset over the recent killings by police in Louisiana and Minnesota.
I suspect previous killings have been on his mind for some time, and setting him off.

America is a 'gun culture', and I can only imagine the image people around the world must have of us.

Prayers and sympathies to those killed, their friends and family.

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CNN: 559 people killed by police so far this year (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Jul 2016 OP
this may have been in the mind of the killer. FreakinDJ Jul 2016 #1
And 1/2 were black but we only make up 1/8 of the population brush Jul 2016 #2
This number's been quoted all over the place. Igel Jul 2016 #10
JMHO Lance Bass esquire Jul 2016 #3
I DO believe quite a lot of Germans were killed angstlessk Jul 2016 #4
This guy killing cops, who had nothing to do with what angered him Lance Bass esquire Jul 2016 #7
Which is nearly lancer78 Jul 2016 #5
Are mateen and the dallas shooting included in thosenumbers? linuxman Jul 2016 #6
How about the number of police officers killed per 100,000? cbdo2007 Jul 2016 #8
Electricians have a HIGHER mortality rate then policemen FreakinDJ Jul 2016 #9
The 20 jobs with highest job related fatality rates etherealtruth Jul 2016 #11

Igel

(35,300 posts)
10. This number's been quoted all over the place.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:23 PM
Jul 2016

It's not correct. Didn't want to do this because it's probably a waste of time and certainly a pain in the butt, but here goes.

The problem is that "over half were white" became "half were black." There's greater diversity than just white and black. Latinos really have to be included in there some place. And let's not completely erase Asians. Or Native Americans. And that entire "more than half" really shouldn't be chopped down to "half."

I'll go with the Guardian's numbers for police killings. It sources its information and provides search mechanisms. http://killedbypolice.net/ has a higher number, but no search capabilities and it's unclear that they're taking as much care as the Guardian. CNN goes with the Guardian. I suspect the percentages matter more than the absolute #s.

So Guardian's numbers as of 7/8, today, at 4:00 CDST are given. They include the Dallas killer's info. I'm also adding the % of unarmed/total, since they're who we care about.

police-caused deaths
white:
total 279
unarmed 42 .... so 15% of total
armed 212 =254
Of deaths with ethnicity/race specified, whites are 54%. They're 63% of the population.

black:
total 137
unarmed 24 .... so 17.5% of total
armed 102 =216
Of deaths with ethnicity/race specified, blacks are 26%. They're about 13% of the population. (12.1% by a narrow definition, up to 14% if we pitch in multiracial.)


Latino
total 88
unarmed 14 ... so 15.9% of total
armed 65 = 79
Of deaths with ethnicity/race specified, Latinos are 17%. And are 17% of the population, by a reasonable estimate.

Asian/Pacific Islander
total 13
unarmed 0

Note that the difference in unarmed between black and white is 2.5%, or 3-4 people. That can be pretty much ignored not because the people don't matter but because the numbers are fairly small and that variance might be repeated but might be too low or too high. Too small to natter on about very much.

Let's look at demographics and the total killed by cops with race reported: 517 deaths.

If blacks are 13% of the population and whites 63%, we'd expect 67 dead black civilians and 326 dead white civilians. There are 70 excess black deaths that could be attributed to racism. I use 13% because the official number may be 12.1% but Obama might not count as "black"--that 12.1% doesn't include multiracial, and most DUers would include many multiracial, part-black citizens as "black." Include all multiracial citizens that are part black and it's 14%. I went with 13%.

Take a gander at the Latino numbers, though, the people that DUers love to erase from the pages of time when it suits them. Latinos are around 17% of the population--estimates vary a bit. The total deaths, 88, is right at 17% of those for whom race is reported. There should be about 1 unarmed person less killed, but again, that's certainly not a useful number. In any event, "racism" doesn't work in this case. We hear cries about "racism" and the black and brown innocent gunned down, but the numbers for Latinos don't show this unless there's something truly unexpected in the "race/ethnicity unreported" category. (About 8% of the population is left out for my demographics--declined to state, Asian, Native American, multiracial, so don't try to add up the numbers, they won't add up perfectly.)

So whatever it is, it's a police-black thing, not a police-racism thing or a white-black thing. It's not a police-Latino thing. Anecdotes may lead to different perceptions, but the stats are what they are. Any analysis has to account not just for black/police interactions, but also Latino/police and Asian/police. Best to include those from the beginning rather than patch the analysis at the end.

Things affecting this, adding to the "police-black thing", include a lot of factors, racism, to be sure, but also things like education and poverty and unemployment and age. At the same time, this is one of those topics where alerts about. Something as factual as "African-Americans disproportionately ________" can be a defense or an offence, depending on who's writing, who's reading, and what the context is. But this should also take into account Latino data, and that opens up not just a can of worms, but a barrel of worms.

 

Lance Bass esquire

(671 posts)
3. JMHO
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 03:07 PM
Jul 2016

"Before he was killed he told police that he was upset over the recent killings by police in Louisiana and Minnesota.
I suspect previous killings have been on his mind for some time, and setting him off."

I'm upset that a large part of my family on my moms side and 6 million others were killed by Germans in concentration camps in WW2 but killing a German today wouldn't change that.

That's the difference between SANE and CRAZY.



angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
4. I DO believe quite a lot of Germans were killed
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 03:42 PM
Jul 2016

a day or even a year after many people's ancestors were killed in WWII....not sure what you're saying?

 

Lance Bass esquire

(671 posts)
7. This guy killing cops, who had nothing to do with what angered him
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 04:29 PM
Jul 2016

would be the same as me using the same logic and attack a German national who had nothing to do with my family members extermination by Germans during the war.

Be it a day..a year.. a century later.

Crazy is Crazy was my point.


He used his anger to justify becoming a vigilante and a stone cold murderer like the original OP said.

"While in no way diminishing the horror and tragedy of the killing of police in Dallas, this may have been in the mind of the killer"









cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
8. How about the number of police officers killed per 100,000?
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 04:34 PM
Jul 2016

Not trying to start shit, just looking for some real data, and the "per 100,000" number is typically what they use.

I'm guessing the number of police per 100,000 killed is < the number of non police per 100,000 killed, so it's still probably less likely to be killed being a police officer than being a non-police person.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
11. The 20 jobs with highest job related fatality rates
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:42 PM
Jul 2016

Logging industry workers, construction workers, roofers, miners, farm workers (in no particular order) top the list .... law enforcement does not hit the top 20.

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