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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:00 PM Jul 2016

Constitutional question re: rumor that Trump might NOT serve if elected:

(Obviously, we need to work hard to elect Secretary Clinton in the fall to make sure we don't face this scenario)

The rumor was going around online yesterday that, if elected, Trump might do a "screw you guys" move and just refuse to take the job.

Which raises a huge question:

If Trump were to win an Electoral College majority, then renounced the presidency before the EC votes were counted in Congress, would his electoral votes simply be passed to his running mate, or would they be totally up for grabs?



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Constitutional question re: rumor that Trump might NOT serve if elected: (Original Post) Ken Burch Jul 2016 OP
The VP-elect would get the job. roamer65 Jul 2016 #1
This is not correct Renew Deal Jul 2016 #5
Or President Ivanka Trump CrawlingChaos Jul 2016 #6
Amendment XII and Amendment XX address this. longship Jul 2016 #2
i imagine this would apply......... Takket Jul 2016 #3
On a scale of 1 to 10 of things to worry about gratuitous Jul 2016 #4
The process depends upon whether he quits before the Electoral College casts its votes no_hypocrisy Jul 2016 #7
The scenario I laid out in the OP was Trump quitting before the EC casts its votes. n/t. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #8
My bad. no_hypocrisy Jul 2016 #9
He's not president until after he takes the oath of office at inaugeration That is the tricky Monk06 Jul 2016 #11
Akhil Amar presented a lengthy essay to the Senate on this issue in 1994 JustinL Jul 2016 #10

CrawlingChaos

(1,893 posts)
6. Or President Ivanka Trump
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:40 PM
Jul 2016

Because there have been rumors of that as well.

This country needs adult supervision.

longship

(40,416 posts)
2. Amendment XII and Amendment XX address this.
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:16 PM
Jul 2016

Maybe that's why Drumpf says that Article (sic) 12 is one of his favorites.

There is no Article 12, only an Amendment XII which addresses an insufficient majority of presidential electors, highly unlikely this year.

Amendment XX addresses the case where the elected president cannot (or one presumes will not) serve.

Reading the Constitution is always an education no matter how many times one does it.


Takket

(21,560 posts)
3. i imagine this would apply.........
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:21 PM
Jul 2016

What happens if a candidate dies or becomes incapacitated?

If a candidate dies or becomes incapacitated between the general election and the meeting of electors, under federal law, the electors pledged to the deceased candidate may vote for the candidate of their choice at the meeting of electors. Individual states may pass laws on the subject, but no federal law proscribes how electors must vote when a candidate dies or becomes incapacitated. In 1872, when Horace Greeley passed away between election day and the meeting of electors, the electors who were slated to vote for Greeley voted for various candidates, including Greeley. The votes cast for Greeley were not counted due to a House resolution passed regarding the matter. See the full Electoral College vote counts for President and Vice President in the 1872 election.

As to a candidate who dies or becomes incapacitated between the meeting of electors and the counting of electoral votes in Congress, the Constitution is silent on whether this candidate meets the definition of “President elect” or “Vice President elect.” If the candidate with a majority of the electoral votes is considered “President elect,” even before the counting of electoral votes in Congress, Section 3 of the 20th Amendment applies. Section 3 of the 20th Amendment states that the Vice President elect will become President if the President elect dies or becomes incapacitated.

If a winning Presidential candidate dies or becomes incapacitated between the counting of electoral votes in Congress and the inauguration, the Vice President elect will become President, according to Section 3 of the 20th Amendment.

source: https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/print_friendly.html?page=faq_content.html&title=U.%20S.%20Electoral%20College%3A%20Frequently%20Asked%20Questions#candidatedies

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
4. On a scale of 1 to 10 of things to worry about
Sat Jul 9, 2016, 08:26 PM
Jul 2016

Trump winning the election in November should be about negative thirty kajillion, just below how your life is going to change when you win the lottery.

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
11. He's not president until after he takes the oath of office at inaugeration That is the tricky
Sun Jul 10, 2016, 01:22 AM
Jul 2016

scenario He would have to be unable to serve due to criminal charges or medical infirmity for the VP to take over

I don't think the President can just hand over power to whoever he pleases because he has more interesting things to do with his time

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