Dylan Roof was peacfully apprehended and then treated to Burger King

[bluestateguy]

I can't help but to point out this troubling disparity. Dylan Roof who gunned down 9 black church members in Charleston, was peacefully arrested and taken to Burger King by local police in North Carolina. He wasn't roughed up, beaten, shot or even thrown upon the hood of the police car.

Micah Xavier Johnson killed 5 cops, and wounded several other cops and civilians and was justifiably swiss cheesed by the SWAT team.

But I do have to point out the disparity.

[Hoyt]

1. Well white SC police are kind of partial to those with confederate flags.

[Kang Colby]

2. False.

He was not taken to Burger King as per Snopes.

No reasonable reading of Shelby Police Chief Jeff Ledford's accounts suggests that Roof was "taken to Burger King" after he was apprehended.

http://www.snopes.com/2015/06/22/dylann-roof-burger-king/

[SkeleTim1968]

5. They didnt take him trough the drive through but they did buy him BK

Police in Shelby, N.C., reportedly bought the 21-year-old food from Burger King after he was taken into custody approximately 250 miles northwest of Charleston following a 16-hour manhunt.

Shelby Police Chief Jeff Ledford said that Roof had bought water and chips from a gas station in Charleston earlier on Thursday, but hours had passed and he was hungry.

"He was very quiet, very calm. He didn't talk," Ledford told The Charlotte Observer. "He sat down here very quietly. He was not problematic."

http://abc7.com/news/cops-bought-burger-king-for-dylann-roof-following-his-arrest/801013/

[Travis_0004]

9. People in custody get food

They have a constitutional right to be fed if they are being detained. And sometimes police just get food to get somebody talking. We didnt know if roof acted alone or anything, so it was important to get information.

If a 5.00 sandwich gets a criminal talking and saves lives, Im ok with that.

What you are describing litterally happens hundreds of times every day, people just dont realize it.

[Dreamer Tatum]

15. I don't get why people on DU are so quick to mention BK

like it's some extreme delicacy. Like they took the kid to Le Bernardin.

As you said: they have to eat. I guess he was supposed to get the food Sheriff Joe feeds his inmates.

Except, of course, that's considered inhumane. And the tail-chasing continues.

[SkeleTim1968]

16. I just posted that it happened.

But just for curiosity, why not pick up a $1.00 hot dog from that convenience store he had gotten chips and water from?


Bribed enticed to talk with a sandwich? I don't think a sandwich gets a criminal to say anything more than he would normally say without one.
It's not like he was homeless and dying for food.

[Travis_0004]

23. You would be surprised what gets people talking.

I would be fine with the police driving past 5 burger kings to get him a McDonalds happy meal if thats what it takes to get more information that might save lives.

Also, a lawyer is going to try anything they can to get evidence thrown out saying that you violated his constitutional right. Durring questioning a cop will try to accommodate the exact request, to avoid giving the lawyer anything to use in court. Sometimes you have to make sure you dot every I and cross every T.

[tblue37]

45. The cops ignored the "constitutional right to be fed if they are being detained"

of Diamond Reynolds and her 4-year-old daughter after acop shot and killed her fiance Philando Castile for no reason. Although she and her little girl had done nothing, Ms. Reynolds was handcuffed and she and her daughter were separated and held without food and water for hours until 5:00 the next morning <emphasis addedp>.

On Wednesday night, Diamond Reynolds watched police kill her fiancé, Philando Castile, in front of her and her 4-year-old daughter. But her ordeal — which began with a traffic stop in suburban Minnesota — wasn’t over. Police held her until 5 am at the precinct near the scene of the shooting, separating her from her daughter, she said at a press conference Thursday.

“They didn’t feed us, they didn’t give us water,” Reynolds said in an emotional statement outside the Minnesota governor’s mansion. “They took everything from me. They put me in a room and separated me from my child. They treated me like a prisoner. They treated me like I did this to me, and I didn’t. They did this to us.”

SNIP

[pipoman]

12. We are required to feed people we have in custody...

In fact there are federal guidelines just as there are for any residential facility or school....Food is a significant cost and fast food or local restaurant is often used at smaller jails. It is way, way cheaper than doibg their own production.

If a shitty cheapass burger and frys is being "treated" then so be it.....most grown-ups don't consider BK a treat, it is fast cheap sustenance.

[SkeleTim1968]

18. Did I say we weren't required to feed detainees?

The other poster said the BK story was not true. It is true.

[Kang Colby]

20. It's not true. Read the Snopes analysis.

He was not taken to Burger King.

[SkeleTim1968]

21. The Police said they bought him BK. I posted the link.

[Kang Colby]

24. The OP states he was "taken to BK."

Which is very different from the truth. Truth is, food services were likely unavailable at the police facility at the time, and a cop gave him a hamburger the cop had purchased. He ate the hamburger in handcuffs.

Personally, I don't think he should have been given any food or water. But the meme designed to increase racial tension isn't true.

The cops were smart to feed him, otherwise a lawyer would try to use it against the investigation.

[SkeleTim1968]

27. I also posted that they didnt take him through the drive through

they bought it for him.

"Truth is, food services were likely unavailable at the police facility at the time"

They also have vending in police stations.
Convenience stores are open, they have cheaper food items. Just sayin'

Its really not that big of a deal to me, but people will view that as special treatment compared to what likely would have happened to most black men even if they had peacefully surrendered.
I don't believe the argument holds any water where the Dallas shooting is concerned, but will note that I've seen videos of a black men following orders exactly and still be beaten and arrested and charged with resisting arrest and such.

[Kang Colby]

31. Yeah, people would still meme about the guy being given...

Pop Tarts from the PD vending machine. Those are also the same folks who will scream abuse about Sheriff Joe's antics.

But I agree with you, it's petty. The Charleston shooter should "ride the lightening".

[SkeleTim1968]

33. That's a good point . Any prepackaged foods more than likely.

A lot of people expect bread and water for criminals and a couple of brussel sprouts and carrots for health.

Gruel?

[tblue37]

46. See my post #45 above yours. They seem to feel they have a lot of discretion about that right. nt

[LongtimeAZDem]

26. But saying he was "treated to Burger King", as the OP did, makes it sound like they got him a crown,

as opposed to feeding him a burger while he was handcuffed and in custody.

Words matter.

[SkeleTim1968]

30. That's how some people feel.

from a different perspective:
People complain that welfare recipients eat out and here the cops are taking a criminal to eat out, as far as they are concerned.
27% of blacks are considered poor.
Just how do you think that feels to them after he storms into an AA church and murders 9 people?

[LongtimeAZDem]

32. Angry and frustrated, but that doesn't change the facts of the situation; what else

should the police have done? Denied him food? Summarily executed him?

[SkeleTim1968]

34. let him wait until the next meal.

plenty have had to wait longer for food.

[LongtimeAZDem]

36. What next meal? He wasn't in jail, he was at a police station.

You are inventing outrage.

[SkeleTim1968]

37. I'm not outraged. I simply pointed out he did get BK

If nothing was open wait until the next meal. breakfast places like a donut place...a whole 50 cents there, police station facilities.
Did you believe they were going to let him go? Or was he likely going to be sitting in a cell until morning?
Make him wait until the next meal.

[LongtimeAZDem]

39. I do not belive you are making a serious argument. SMH (nt)

[SkeleTim1968]

40. Maybe you should read through the thread.

you're getting upset over nothing. Really.

[Dreamer Tatum]

41. I think the arresting cops should have considered the effect on racial bias calculus

for the entire nation before they got the kid a hamburger.

Obviously, that hamburger is an awful stain on the tapestry of American race relations.

Had those cops thought for a moment, they would have realized that some unknown person some unknown time in the future would commit some unspecified crime, and the outcome could be contrasted with the hamburger incident to draw awful, damning, compelling, and incontrovertible conclusions about race in America.

[X_Digger]

3. Roof surrendered to police when pulled over in his car.

Johnson did not. Johnson also claimed to have planted explosives in the area and was threatening to detonate them.

Yes, there is a disparity between an orange and an apple.

[sharp_stick]

4. Dylan Roof wasn't

holed up in a protective area threatening to kill anyone that approached either.

If you hope to be peacefully apprehended you have to surrender first.

[Yo_Mama]

6. Roof surrendered - Johnson did not, and claimed explosives, etc.

Mind you, between the two of them I would rather have Johnson alive than Roof - they both committed terrible deeds, but Roof's were even worse than Johnson's.

But the police are not allowed to kill except to protect (themselves or others), and so it would have been quite wrong for them to kill Roof just as it is quite justifiable for them to kill Johnson.

Trying to make this evidence of racial disparity is stupid.

[CherokeeDem]

38. No... not worse....

Both Roof and Johnson committed horrible acts and the loss of human life, regardless if police or civilian is tragic.

Not all cops are bad, but the bad ones are dangerous. The killings of black men at the hands of racist or simply undertrained police is past tragic but human life is human life.

Not worse....

[LongtimeAZDem]

7. Roof, just like black cop-killer Dontae Morris, turned himself in, and was taken into custody

without incident. Micah Xavier Johnson refused to surrender, and proclaimed that he would kill more police.

You post is disingenuous, at best.

[Dreamer Tatum]

8. Roof gave up. nt

[MadDAsHell]

10. What everyone else is saying in this thread; this comparison is ridiculous.

There are comparisons to be made without making DU look like a bunch of uninformed and uneducated people (which this post does).

[Rex]

11. 'peacefully arrested'

being the key here imo.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

13. If Johnson had surrendered

maybe he could have had Burger King too.

He chose a different path.

[msanthrope]

14. I'd have bought the sniper steak, if that would have made him stop shooting and talk

to me.

Maybe the cops wanted to "reward" his peaceful surrender and milk him for info.

[MohRokTah]

17. Roof had accomplished what he wanted and then wanted to surrender to the police.

Johnson had not accomplished all he wanted to, was continuing to be a deadly threat to the lives of officers and the public, had claimed to have planted IEDs all over downtown Dallas and so represented an immediate threat to the lives of anybody in Dallas. There was no choice but to eliminate that threat.

[pipoman]

19. BK isn't a treat for most adults...it is sustenance and nothing more....

We feed people in police custody....always...sometimes that means feeding them cheap fast garbage....

[SkeleTim1968]

25. People have a cow that these people

'eat out' because it's considered a treat to them instead of cooking meals at home. I think it just upsets some that criminals are being "treated" to something they have to earn. I've heard the same about gym and weight lifting equipment in prisons. It upsets peole that they have to pay for a membership but these criminals are getting a free gym at taxpayer expense.


This is not a racist thing to me anyway.
The actions of these shooters was completely opposite, so the police had no choice but to take his life before he could do more harm.
I think this thread is reaching for some racist element. We don't need to conjure up racist problems, we have enough already.

[loyalsister]

22. Squeaky Fromme, Manson family member and would be assassin of Gerald Ford was released on parole

Clumsy as the assassination attempt was, she brandished a gun and it was Ford's good luck that she didn't load it properly.

[Duckhunter935]

28. Peacefully surrendering

Is a big difference

[Spitfire of ATJ]

29. I'm sure he would have been treated the same if he had been black and shot up a white church.

[840high]

35. Dylan surrendered.

[NaturalHigh]

42. You're comparing apples and oranges.

Roof had already surrendered and was no longer a threat. Johnson was still armed and refusing to surrender.

[sangfroid]

43. My goodness

I got locked up in county a few years back for participating in an anti-Iraqi demo and indulging in a little non-violent sitting in the street. I refused to bail out in solidarity.

I didn't get BK or MickeyD or KFC. No, the first meal I got was baloney on white and cherry kool-aid. Breakfast was corn flakes and milk with coffee ("Tea? What the fuck is that?&quot . Lunch was a smear of something called cheese whiz on white, an apple and a drinking box. Dinner was what I was told was a chicken patty, something that resembled mashed potatoes, canned corn and another drinking box. Desert was cherry jello. The next day we were all released on our own recog.

Folks may think fast food is the shits, but after one day of jail food, BK was was some fine chow.

[arely staircase]

44. Was he barricaded behind concrete with body armor and and assault rifle

at the time of his arrest?

And are you implying BK is some kind of treat?

What would you have fed your high profile prisoner who you want to talk and who is hungry if it isnt meal time at the jail? Frankly BK is about as big a bag of crap as I can think of?

[cstanleytech]

47. Maybe they meant to imply that someone arrested should not be fed?

[arely staircase]

48. Shit I would have given this dude a cig like in the old days in a non smoking

station if he might talk. Its a hogh profile case with potential other suspects at the time.

[davidn3600]

49. Roof surrendered. He didn't resist arrest.

There is video of him being arrested. He gave himself up.