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Mass

(27,315 posts)
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 04:44 PM Jul 2016

Great Vox article about why the Harvard study showing black people are less often killed by police

is bunk

You have probably read about this study

The latest example of this: a new study from Harvard economist Roland G. Fryer Jr., published by the National Bureau of Economics Research and hyped by the New York Times. The study claims to show there isn’t a racial disparity when police use deadly force against people they’ve stopped or arrested — and it’s being presented as the best data yet on the question of police use of force.


No doubt that the right and the alt right are going to use it a lot. But Vox has started finding the limitation of this study. One of the most obvious is here :


In other words, Fryer and company found that there weren’t big racial disparities in how often black and white suspects who’d already been stopped by police were killed. But they deliberately avoided the question of whether black citizens are more likely to be stopped to begin with (they are) and whether they’re more likely to be stopped without cause (yup).


but there are others at the link, and a graph, that presents the full data.
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Great Vox article about why the Harvard study showing black people are less often killed by police (Original Post) Mass Jul 2016 OP
. pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #1
+1, I posted this in another thread that there was an assumption that the arrest themselves weren't uponit7771 Jul 2016 #2
There are no data available on racial bias in LE encounters.. True Earthling Jul 2016 #6
Or simply follow statistical probability distribution function after reading a valid sample size LanternWaste Jul 2016 #10
yeap, seems like low hanging fruit and the study left it out and coorelated the arrest with the... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #13
It does seem rather unlikely. n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #3
kick Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #4
Unfortunately there is no full data mythology Jul 2016 #5
Unfortunately DU will ignore this. Many white people need to believe that we deserve to be Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #7
Well not THIS white woman. BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2016 #9
I'm so glad to hear this from you, but many people of color here at DU do not share this sentiment. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #11
:( BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2016 #12
And not this white man. geardaddy Jul 2016 #15
K/R marmar Jul 2016 #8
So the simple version is everyone is in danger of being summarily executed if stopped by ... Statistical Jul 2016 #14

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
2. +1, I posted this in another thread that there was an assumption that the arrest themselves weren't
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 06:38 PM
Jul 2016

... biased, that along with the small state sample size and the fact that blacks have weapons drawn at us on a higher rate being disconnected from the shooting stats...

more drawn weapons somehow goes against less often shot

True Earthling

(832 posts)
6. There are no data available on racial bias in LE encounters..
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 11:36 AM
Jul 2016

if there is please point me to it. There never will be because it's totally subjective...one would have to be a mind reader.

There is plenty of data on LE encounters as far as who, when, where someone was stopped, what the LE's race and subjects race were, what the circumstances were, if there was resistance or a gun pulled or someone shot. These are all data points that can be compiled into a database and then examined.

One could draw a conclusion of racial bias if there is significant statistical difference between a large number of overall experiences of whites and blacks in similar circumstances. That is the only way to determine racial bias in the overall LE community...or at least those LE communities that the data was drawn from.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
10. Or simply follow statistical probability distribution function after reading a valid sample size
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 11:56 AM
Jul 2016

"one would have to be a mind reader..."

Or simply follow the standard method of statistical probability distribution function after reading a valid sample size.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
13. yeap, seems like low hanging fruit and the study left it out and coorelated the arrest with the...
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:32 PM
Jul 2016

... shootings and concluded the arrest percentage are similar to the shootings so therefore there's no bias (mine).

But the data on the weapons pulled on blacks seems to negate that conclusion, the study needs to be peer reviewed.

Don't know why the rush to post this by NYT...

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
5. Unfortunately there is no full data
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 08:10 PM
Jul 2016

We don't have a complete picture of police violence, or even police shootings. At best the original article was a starting point, but it can't begin to prove what the accounts of it have said.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
7. Unfortunately DU will ignore this. Many white people need to believe that we deserve to be
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 11:41 AM
Jul 2016

shot and killed--and that there's no racial bias in the criminal justice system.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
9. Well not THIS white woman.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 11:49 AM
Jul 2016

And I see lots of DUers who make their support very clear; there are a LOT of threads here about this sickness of racism in Amurka, and a LOT of support from a LOT of people.

Everyone I know (here and IRL) reaches out to you--in solidarity. ❤️

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
11. I'm so glad to hear this from you, but many people of color here at DU do not share this sentiment.
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 11:59 AM
Jul 2016

There's a lot of ugliness on this forum, sadly.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
12. :(
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:27 PM
Jul 2016

That's horrible....
I haven't happened across it---not that I read every thread here, obviously.

I'm not happy to hear that. You would think a progressive community would be well past racism.

Statistical

(19,264 posts)
14. So the simple version is everyone is in danger of being summarily executed if stopped by ...
Wed Jul 13, 2016, 12:45 PM
Jul 2016

the Police even for trivial (or nonexistent) reasons. However separate from that utterly alarming and bone chilling fact is that Blacks are stopped a lot more and hence more likely to be put in a situation where they are executed.

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