Fuck the Dallas Police Chief

[gopiscrap]

what an asshole. His quote: "don't be part of the problem, be part of the solution. Get off the protest line, we're hiring, join the police force. Get an application" I call bullshit. Protesting is one of the major catalysts for change and improve. How dare he refer to civil protest a bedrock of our founding as a nation as something bad?

Maybe he should teach his cops to be more respectful and less racist. That might help the problem more.

[yeoman6987]

1. Dallas police didn't kill anyone. They were the ones murdered.

[Warpy]

39. Yeah, and they have a point about applying for the job

More black cops out there might just start to change entrenched racism on the force--and the Dallas cops are far from the worst. It might actually be doable with that department.

They don't have a point about ending the protests. Yeah, they're a pain in the neck and I'll be complaining along with everybody else if I get stuck in traffic due to one, especially in the heat the southwest is experiencing. I just know that being a damned nuisance makes the press takes notice and that at least educates people that there is a serious problem out there that is killing people.

[REP]

80. I agree about needing lots more good cops

Good cops who will stop bad cops, report bad cops, not tolerate bad cops. Good cops that the entire community can respect.

[demosincebirth]

101. Some, I think, want just plain ol' Anarchy

[7wo7rees]

111. Is there ANY poster in this entire thread that lives in DFW area?

Ran through this thread and recognized not one poster as being from the DFW area.

Mostly lots of members pontificating on what they think they know.

We are not huge fans of DPD, HS and all the rest. Not fans of open carry. Not fans if militarization of our "protect and serve" police forces. But in the grand scheme of it all, Dallas appears to be striving to find balance.

We have been part of many protests in Dallas going back for us to 2001. We have worked with many going back to protests happening in this city back into the 60's.

I'll take Dallas everyday over Baton Rouge, Ferguson, New York, etc. Everyday, just based on our personal experience.

[Logical]

114. Wow, Dallas has never had a bad cop shoot? Amazing! nt

[LanternWaste]

138. I can only imagine the mental convenience your inaccurate inference of the obvious affords you.

I can only imagine the mental convenience your inaccurate inference of the obvious affords you. Amazing, indeed-- as always, consistency adding so much irrational to the discussion.

(insert additional irrelevance below... or a hug. I think both would serve you well)

[Logical]

148. My stalker! He is back! Does not post a lot but when he does it is always the same. nt

[Travis_0004]

2. I don't think blocking highways and yelling fuck the police will get us any progress

[gopiscrap]

3. protests during the civil rights era

is exactly what made the difference

[tonyt53]

11. Not exactly. Did you miss school when they taught about the civil rights movement?

[1StrongBlackMan]

14. But that was different ...

the protests during the Civil Rights Era (sans the F the police cries), didn't interfere with the day to day activities of those not directly involved in the oppression. Well ... sure ... some domestic workers were late to work because they refused to ride the buses; but ...

[tonyt53]

28. Exactly. Thank you.

[Ash_F]

102. They blocked streets just like today.

[1StrongBlackMan]

106. But how many people drove? I was there. It wasn't a big thing.

[MadDAsHell]

110. 2016 protestors aren't even close to civil rights era protestors. not even close. nt

[rockfordfile]

140. It got people involved. Thank goodness for that or things would still be worse.

[840high]

77. ...!100++++

[TCJ70]

4. Why is that bad advice?

He's encouraging people with passions to get involved in the actual police force to enact change from within. That's not a bad thing. Also, as another poster indicated, the Dallas police were the ones killed.

[loyalsister]

25. It's hypocritical

Arrests can make it impossible to join. The rate of arrests of POC make that more difficult than it sounds. It is municipalies own fault that it is impossible for so money. Being part of the problem and asking people to join them is BS.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

29. I highly doubt that every protester out there has an arrest record

And if I'm not mistaken, there is a pretty high percentage of POC on the Dallas police force, so obviously it's not nearly as difficult as you claim.

[loyalsister]

34. They know how easy it is to get one if you're black

and they happen to give a shit about people who have been unlucky enough to acquire one unfairly. They see their parents, siblings, children, and grandchildren in the faces of people who have been killed and they know exactly what it means to worry that they might be next.
It's great that Dallas has made in roads, but this is nationwide and systemic. If Dallas police and government were true allies they would join them in the protest. Instead they are telling them to shut up.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

35. I don't see it as telling them to shut up

as much as telling them to take the next step. Protests alone aren't going to result in the necessary changes.

[loyalsister]

37. How is "get off the protest line" not telling them to shut up?

Saying they should stop protesting is telling them to shut up. Poor white people are so uncomfortable. It's about time.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

41. Nice sentiment n/t

[loyalsister]

56. I say that as a white person

[SickOfTheOnePct]

57. So? n/t

[loyalsister]

60. I am included in my statement that it's about time we feel uncomfortable

have our lives disrupted and begin to think about where we actually are when it comes to race. Not post racial, not color blind. The trailblazers are burying the descendents after all of the alleged progress we have made and if it takes some disruption to get people to care, so be it. If people respond by belittling or telling protesters about how they know best, they are exposing their preference for a white supremacist society that keeps them confortable.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

65. Whatever n/t

[gopiscrap]

95. Agree

[Igel]

75. "And."

Once he said "get off the protest line," he didn't just stop and say, "be quiet." He said do something. Actions speak louder than words, but we confuse words for actions. And when there are actions, often they're rocks being thrown or just saying, "Look at me!"

You can jaw-jaw, or walk the walk.

You know, "be the change".

Mostly, though, it's "You change, I'm waiting ...".


The sad thing is, though, that those who do join up to be the change have a change in perspective fairly quickly. That's true for police. It's true for teachers. It's true for doctors. Some don't, but most do.

[bighart]

119. Except that isn't all he said.

" Get off the protest line, we're hiring, join the police force. Get an application"

The second part of that sentence is just as important as the first, in fact maybe more important.
He is in essence saying if you really want to make a difference here is a way to put it into further action.

At least that is how I take it.

Yes he could have chosen his words better, maybe something like

"You are obviously motivated to see change happen as evidenced by the fact you are part of the protests now maybe consider getting an application, we're hiring, join the police force!"

[loyalsister]

133. It's a little like telling a union member to abandon a strike and apply for a management position

It's not like any of the people protesting would be hired to do strategic planning with local, state, and federal governments.

[frankieallen]

127. Poor white people are so uncomfortable? Just wow.

[TheKentuckian]

123. Pouring good apples into a rotten barrel just means more bad apples.

It isn't the personal mix, it is the system.

Cops oppose actual systemic reforms, reduction in power, and increased accountability so yeah fuck em.

[840high]

79. Enough people with no

arrest - they can join and make a difference.

[loyalsister]

88. So that they can join a racist police union?

and be a part of a system that has destroyed the lives of their friends and families? The suggestion being a part of the system is the solution it has a "you'll be safe if you just be more like white people" ring.
The Freedom Riders knew it wouldn't keep them safe. They were advised to dress nicely, speak politely, and be sure to write a will before they got on the bus.

[840high]

96. Nonsense.

[loyalsister]

103. Some were making the same call for POC to join the police force in Ferguson

The following year, the police union organized a show of support for what they identified as "Darren Wilson Day." They were celebrating this cop, not on the anniversary of the day it was announced that he wouldn't be charged. It took place on the 1 yr anniversary of the day he killed Michael Brown.

[gopiscrap]

99. thank you

[Mojorabbit]

118. I think his heart is in the right place

He came from rough neighborhoods and his son shot a police officer. He went in to it to make things better and he is inviting others to do the same. It is not going to solve the problem but it is one of the layers needed that can help. I read an article about him today and he seems to be a fairly sensitive, level headed person, and a decent police chief.

[loyalsister]

128. Good points

I think he is overlooking the fact that he is an exception to the rule and luck is probably a piece of that. I've noticed that once someone makes it past the obstacles, they often tend to think it's easier than it is.

Idealism is great, but not acknowledging a realistic perception of what is happening to way too many people of color on the ground and within the system comes across as dismissive to me.

[frankieallen]

126. Only felonies will make you ineligible to be a cop. Personally I think

that particular rule makes sense.

[loyalsister]

136. Maybe in your state.

In order to work in law enforcement in the state of Missouri, whether that means working for the Missouri State Highway Patrol, as a county sheriff’s deputy, or as a cop for a city police department, a recruit must meet the minimum peace officer licensing standards as set by POST. New recruits must:

Be at least 21 years old
Be a citizen of the US
Hold a high school diploma or GED
Graduate from an authorized state basic law enforcement training academy
Pass the Missouri Peace Officer License Exam
Not have a criminal history can easily be interpreted to include arrests as well as charges and convictions.

http://www.how-to-become-a-police-officer.com/states/missouri/

[frankieallen]

139. Ah, your right. I just looked it up, they leave it open so it can be considered

On a case by case bases. Depends on what exactly the mistomeaner was.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

5. The Dallas Police force is one

that has made the most improvements of any in the country. Less crime, fewer police shootings, etc. Why the accusations against them?

And while you're correct that protests are important, they are an external force, whereas change from within is more likely to be real and lasting. Both external and internal forces are needed to effect the kind of change we need to see in police forces across this country.

I see nothing whatsoever wrong with him suggesting they join the force, go into their neighborhoods and be example of the right kind of police officer. Obviously it's not for everyone, but I'm betting there are folks on those protest lines that would be excellent police officers.

[840high]

81. +1

[SickOfTheOnePct]

131. Protests are great

and I fully support them - they draw attention to inequities and the need for change.

But protests alone won't make the change happen, action needs to follow. And not just action of others, but action by those whom are most affected in the their communities.

Protesters will eventually leave the streets, go back to school, to their jobs, to their own cities, and if some of the local protesters aren't willing to take the next step, to be the change they want to see, little to nothing will change.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

145. Whether he wants the protests to stop or not is irrelevant

so long as they remain peaceful, people have the right to protest. That's not at stake in any way.

But protesting alone will solve nothing.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

152. It's off-topic to respond

to what you said? I guess that would mean you're off-topic as well.

[frankieallen]

129. +2

[mcar]

6. I think this man has been doing a good job, but no one is perfect

I will refrain from criticizing this one statement as his actions through this have been impressive.

[HERVEPA]

7. You are clueless about this police chief. Maybe do a little research befoire you post.

[Skittles]

45. I am sick of clueless DUers

they know NOTHING about Chief Brown and it shows

[cagefreesoylentgreen]

58. Why don't you post something to educate folks?

[Skittles]

59. or you could learn to GOOGLE

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8000356

Chief Brown speaks of what he knows - he did join and he HAS made a difference, something I doubt that racist piece of SHIT gun humping shooter was aware of.

[GusBob]

48. Word ^^^^^^^^

[840high]

82. Agreed.

[Lucinda]

91. + a bazillion

[gopiscrap]

98. I researched the guy

before I wrote this. I don't care if people of color hires are up in Dallas. I find the comment whiney and offensive. There is no room for an official to diss civil protest.

[philosslayer]

8. Sorry the others on this thread don't get it

I do, and appreciate your passion and perspective.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

66. Of course you do

More schtick.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

69. [phone] n/t

[philosslayer]

73. For some reason you enjoy following me

And making accusations. I'm puzzled as to why. I'd find it flattering if it weren't creepy. A hobby might be in order. Needlepoint? Stamp collecting perhaps ?

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

85. You're not hard to find

Sniffing down your nose at everyone else over how much more enlightened you think you are....

All schtick, of course.

[philosslayer]

87. Mhm

Thank you for your concern. I'd put you on ignore but your responses entertain me.

[snooper2]

121. Do my responses entertain you! Have you been over to that "other" site yet to share your wisdom?

[tonyt53]

9. Since the guy you bashed has held that position, the minority hires are way up.

The Dallas PD is about 50% white, while the city is about 68% white. Excessive force complaints are way down and shootings by police (deadly or not) are down significantly. You, and people like you are the reason he said those things. Oh, and SMART peaceful protest is the way to get things done. Protesting just for the hell of it leads to nothing except ill feelings - and worse. So, exactly what racist things did his cops do?

[radical noodle]

10. Really?

Protesting is good, but doesn't fix the problem. I've heard black Dallas residents describing the relationship between their police and the black communities as good. He's been working on better relationships with the residents since day one.

Good black police officers is part of the solution. Don't know how much you know about him, but he has a lot of experience with the problems in black communities.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/09/us/dallas-police-chief-david-brown-profile/

[Skittles]

68. he has done a fine job

this thread is garbage

[cwydro]

143. Agree.

Clueless.

[whistler162]

153. Come off it we all know it is better

to under fund and only recruit those that can't get "real" jobs to be Police officers!

Why fix a leaky pipe when there is duct tape!

[radical noodle]

155. That situation is hardly unique to police

The same could be said of many professions related to public service. Teaching comes to mind. But hey, it's really a great way to claim that the government run system is faulty and privatization is the only way forward.

Nonetheless, there are plenty of dedicated police officers and teachers who go home daily with headaches and stress and do the best they can no matter what the pay is. Dedication isn't related entirely to salary.

<love your avatar>

[annavictorious]

12. It's been reported that the Dallas police department

is one that has embraced and incorporated reform, so perhaps the chief is already acting on your advice.

I don't think the chief meant to denigrate the power and importance of protesting. He sounded to me like he was offering a next step.

Here's the actual exchange:

REPORTER: What advice would you give young black men today to overcome their fear?

BROWN: Become a part of the solution. Serve your communities. Don’t be a part of the problem. We’re hiring. We’re hiring. Get off that protest line and put an application in, and we’ll put you in your neighborhood, and we will help you resolve some of the problems you’re protesting about.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

13. Scandalous!!!!

Asking them to more than just protest, which while important, has never, by itself, changed anything.

[Exilednight]

24. I'm glad to see someone had the sense to post the whole quote.

I was about to.

I think it's admirable that he wants to put police in the neighborhood they live in and work from the inside when it comes to addressing the problems.

It's easy to stand and protest and complain, but acting is the true measure of an individual.

[840high]

83. Excellent.

[Yo_Mama]

15. I thought his comment made sense - it came in reply to a reporter's question.

Surely having more cops who want to do the job in a way that is respectful of human rights is a huge part of the solution?

He has a good record in these matters.

[lunatica]

16. I think you might be overracting to this Chief

He's one of the ones we all wish there were more of.

He and his police force have a very good relationship with their community. The police were walking among the protesters because they know them when the shooting began.

[1StrongBlackMan]

32. I'm going to say this, and no doubt wish I hadn't ...

as too many will mis-interpret it; but, here goes ...

Two primary factors for the reason for the success of the Civil Rights Movement was: First, it's organized, non-violent philosophy; and, secondly, there was a clear, "And then, what?" answer. The former allowed for the moral ground and the latter gave the societal out. But more, ... the vast majority of the protesters ascribed to, both.

Breaking shit ... even in extreme and justified anger ... is unlikely to fix anything.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

33. Well said

Anger is more than justified; violence isn't.

[1StrongBlackMan]

47. I think a misunderstood thing about the CRM was ...

it was violent; but, the violence was done TO the protesters, who were acting peaceably.

But understand, I am far from a pacifist and support "violence" ... in self-defense. In other words: March, Protest ... You get attacked, you respond in kind to stop the attack. But when you riot ... you gain no quarter from me.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

49. Agree n/t

[ismnotwasm]

100. I have had to explain to people that #BLM

Was Not encouraging violence

I have lost count of the idiots who think the shooter in Dallas was representative of Black Lives Matter. This has translated to ALL Black Lives Matter protesters in the minds of some. It's all over social media. So we have is a classic--and racist, clusterfuck.

Now, how to unfuck it? -- as a friend of mine says

People need to stop conflating the shooter with Black Lives Matter

Black lives matter should continue their protests, people need to understand that the goal is to end violence against black lives. That's what it means. That's the whole goal. How can something so simple and so heartbreakingly beautiful become complicated?

[1StrongBlackMan]

105. +1 ... Beautifully put ...

and I suspect some of those "agreeing" with me don't really understand what I am saying.

How can something so simple and so heartbreakingly beautiful become complicated?

I know!

[ismnotwasm]

109. I see that, and I'm saddened by it.

[XemaSab]

52. Thank you for this

I was just musing on this very thing.

Without clear objectives, what's the end game?

And that goes for both the cops and the protesters.

It feels like both "sides" are hoping that the other side will just go away, and that's not going to happen.

How do you dismantle 18,000 damaged institutions and rebuild them into something fair?

And even if you succeeded in doing that, would BLM ever trust the cops?

I wouldn't.

[1StrongBlackMan]

61. But it's not BLM that is calling for ripping shit up ...

Perhaps, I'm romanticizing the CRM; but, as I recall it, the movement was, largely, led by strategists with clear goals (hell, the CRA and VRA were written before Selma) and the "youth" understood, and were willing to practice the discipline, that had the goal wasn't just to rip shit up.

[ismnotwasm]

107. Your posts caused me to look up a couple of timelines

I agree the civil rights movement was well organized, and the stakes very high. In Seattle a town of protests every large protest is accompanied by anarchists, whose goal is most definitely just to rip shit up--often obscuring the original reason for the protest itself.

February 1, 1960 - Students protest in 15 cities in five Southern states after African-American

September 9, 1957 - President Eisenhower signs the Civil Rights Act of 1957. The first Civil Rights law since the late 1800s, it established a Civil Rights section in the Justice Department and a federal Civil Rights Commission to explore problematic conditions and recommend action to correct them. This law was a great motivator to African-Americans at the time. Since it had been so long since a Civil Rights law had been passed, there was now hope that if African-Americans' work against discrimination continued, further breakthroughs were possible. (18:107)

1958 - The Supreme Court decides that facilities at interstate bus terminals must be integrated, no matter who owns the terminal. (26:4)

February 1, 1960 - Students protest in 15 cities in five Southern states after African American students in Greensboro, North Carolina, hold a sit-in at a Woolworth's lunch counter. (26:4)

1960 - President Eisenhower signs the Civil Rights Act of 1960. This law made it illegal to flee persecution if a person was accused of a bombing, or did not follow court orders regarding school desegregation. It also gave federal judges the power to appoint a "referee" to mediate disagreements between state election officials and African-Americans who claimed they were not given the opportunity to register and vote. It was hard to require compliance with this new law because prior to appointing a "referee," the Justice Department had to prove that those qualified to vote had been denied due to race or color. (18:107)

May 4, 1961 - African-Americans try to ride in White section of interstate buses, called "Freedom Rides." There was violence throughout the rides, including the burning of a bus, and U.S. Marshalls were sent to restore the peace. (26:5)

September 30, 1962 - James Meredith is met by violence as he enrolls in the University of Mississippi. (26:5)

June 12, 1963 - Mississippi state chairman of the NAACP, Medgar Evers, is killed in Jackson, Mississippi. (26:5)

August 28, 1963 - 250,000 march on Washington. Dr. King delivers "I have a dream" speech at Lincoln Memorial. (26:6)

https://www.doi.gov/pmb/eeo/AA-HM

[1StrongBlackMan]

112. I have nothing, beyond history, to suport this; but ...

I would bet my last dollar that the violence is NOT organic to the protest(s); but rather, a product of hooligans. The difference being ... back in the day, hooligans were checked by those involved.

[ismnotwasm]

113. Speaking from personal experience in Seattle

I agree. You have your cause, you spend hours organizing--trying to get people engaged, you get your permission from the government--or not depending on the nature and type of protest You make your signs, you practice your chants, you agree to NOT confront the police, although you might agree to be drug away and spend a night in jail--tons and tons of work

Then some group of opportunistic assholes starts breaking windows of downtown businesses or the like.

[840high]

84. Amen.

[lunatica]

122. Did you mean to respond to my post?

I think you might have wanted to respond to the OP.

In any case I agree with you.

[whistler162]

154. Sounds like he is following another Chief's example

Syracuse's Thomas Sardino

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/07/22/nyregion/thomas-sardino-72-syracuse-police-chief.html

"Chief Sardino headed his city's police from 1970 to 1985. In mid-August 1971, when Syracuse youth gangs were involved in a series of racial clashes, window breakings and fire-bombings, he sent police community relations teams and human relations experts to try to bring peace between the gangs, and the violence subsided.

Early that month, after three nights of fire-bombing, Chief Sardino declared that ''citizens who feel their life and property are threatened by arsonists may use deadly force.''

In 1970, when Vietnam War opponents, after protesting at Syracuse University, wanted to march through the city's streets, Chief Sardino gave his approval. But he stipulated that the march had to be well behaved -- and be led by him"

[hamsterjill]

17. I think he's doing a good job.

I respect that man. He's been put in an impossible situation and he's conducted himself with dignity and resolve.

I think more people SHOULD be willing to get involved. If you can't join the force, you can certainly join your local neighborhood watch, cellular on patrol, etc. His point is that everyone should be proactive in some respect. I happen to agree with that sentiment.

[Texasgal]

63. Agreed.

I wish we had a decent chief in Austin. Art Ascevedo is awful.

This guy has stuck himself out on the front lines among a heavy GOP state in the second largest city. I have found him a breath of fresh air!

[doc03]

18. I agree with him n/t

[FXSTD]

19. Excellent advise from a good man. Nt

[Matrosov]

20. 'Be the change you wish to see in the world' - Gandi

It sounds as though Chief Brown is trying to encourage change from within. Who better to have for improving police conduct than the people most passionate about police conduct needing to be improved?

[JustinL]

36. maybe they already have careers, or have different plans for their lives

For example, the iconic "woman in the dress" is a nurse.

I also don't like the implication that "getting off the protest line" is a prerequisite to "putting an application in." In fact, I'd love to see more good police officers participate in Black Lives Matters protests.

[NCTraveler]

21. Poor wording as what he describes seems to say doing two things.

Overall, these are viewed as BLM protests. It paints a picture that young POC taking part in these protests won't work to join the force some time down the road. He also seems to be saying they are taking the easy route by protesting and to find a job. Just another stereotype.

To get to the point it would make a difference we are talking decades in the force. Even then there would be hazing, intimidation, and blacklisting. I use to be a part of the "few bad apples" crowd. I now understand the scale of many cover-ups and how far they will go to protect their own. He should have told them to go into law school to take their oppressive asses on. That would have made more sense with the point he was trying to make.

I say these things never having held the weight on my shoulders that he currently is.

[cherokeeprogressive]

22. "Become a part of the solution. Serve your communities." If you don't omit those two sentences...

His comment makes perfect sense.

[brer cat]

27. Interesting that part was left out of the OP.

He seems to be trying and succeeding with the DPD. Maybe he should be given the benefit of doubt, even if those comments were left out.

[arcane1]

40. Exactly, a cop who lives in the community is less likely to see themselves as an occupying force.

[ecstatic]

115. But he implied that people who were either protesting or

had not submitted an application were part of the problem. Which was offensive.

Second, not everyone wants to accost their neighbors at gunpoint. And that's pretty much why we're at this point. Most normal people have no desire to run around town armed and chasing bad guys.

That being said, Chief Brown seems like a nice guy and I have been impressed by the way the Dallas Police Department has conducted themselves in the wake of the tragedy.

[Dreamer Tatum]

23. You're right. No protester should become part of the solution, because protesting IS the solution.

"I demand change immediately!"

"Um, ok. Why not be the change you'd like to see?"

"But then I won't be protesting!"

[romanic]

26. His advice is sound and great.

To make change, you have to be apart of said change. Hiring more black people in the force is a great step towards change.

And besides he's not saying protesting us bad, your rant is groundless.

[UnFettered]

30. I think he's on the right track.

I mean who better to police the community than the people that are from those neighborhoods. Everything I've seen from the man I've been impressed with. I say we need more like him.

[arely staircase]

31. Dallas is a model for the nation. This chief has reduced use of force

complaints by nearly 90 percent. He did it by presiding over the biggest cop firing in the nation. He cleaned house and has shown results. He also just told the GOP to pass gun control.

[SkeleTim1968]

38. I see what you are saying.

Protesting isn't being part of the problem. It has been the only way to bring attention to the problem.
I honestly don't believe the Dallas police having been the ones shot is relevant in any argument here. That seems more an emotional "don't kick 'em when he's down" response.

I don't think he has bad intentions though. He really is trying to turn things around.


"Brown and the department’s top brass have also come in for criticism from city council members, police associations, and others who have called their tactics unsustainable. Officers have been voting with their feet as well: At least 143 individuals have left the department, while recruitment has stagnated. Academy classes are regularly canceled for lack of applicants."


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/dallas-police/490583/

[Renew Deal]

42. You're making his point

His point is "lead by example."

Why don't you join police force and show them how it's done?

[LongtimeAZDem]

44. ^^^^^ (nt)

[Ilsa]

125. I agree...

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He's telling people that they can either keep complaining about the problem, or do something about it.

Not everyone can be a cop. We will still need to protest. But there is more to solving the problem than just protesting it.

[Throd]

43. What he said makes sense to me.

Change comes from within.

[Skittles]

46. it is sound advice

[Chakaconcarne]

50. What the hell?

Totally unnecessary post.

[Schema Thing]

51. I bristled at that comment as well. OTOH, he's obviously tired and stressed, AND

still tends to see things from the side of the Police - even though he's definitely one of the good ones.


The protesters are a thorn in his already stressed side, so I'm going to give him a break on this statement.

[JustinL]

72. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume it was just a poor choice of words

I'm worried that his remarks will give ammunition to the right-wing racists. "See, even one of their own kind agrees that the protesters are a bunch of trouble-making, do-nothing punks."

People who live in cities with "model" police departments, but who are outraged about police abuse elsewhere in their country, are faced with a unique predicament. If they travel to those other places to protest, they are criticized as "outside agitators." If they protest in their home city, they are criticized for giving a hard time to "one of the good guys." What are they supposed to do? You can't expect everyone to either abandon their current career and become a police officer, or sit down and shut up.

[daa]

53. There you are. Makes a lot of sense, nonsense! Nt

[Duckhunter935]

54. He is right

It can be changed if people that are complaining do loudly become the new police force.

[Chemisse]

55. I think this chief has been doing an outstanding job.

And I support his comments that encourage people to become involved in making change happen.

[Lee-Lee]

62. He is right- if you really want to fix things sign on

You can be the change in the on the street and in the agency.

Sure, it means doing something instead of just demanding others do something, it means hard work, it means challenging yourself, and it means putting yourself in those difficult positions you Monday morning quarterback.

But it's the one and only sure fire way to be 100% sure your actions made things better.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

64. Nah, sorry you're wrong, you completely misintepreted what he said....

.....because you want to.

Have a good day.

[MFM008]

67. i thought "were hiring" wasnt a well timed wording

of the situation <ie: 5 dead cops free up jobs>, but i get what he was trying to say.

[cwydro]

70. Whoa, really?

Dude, buy a clue.

[Calista241]

71. I don't see any issue with his comments.

Jobs and opportunity are the easiest and best way into the middle class. Cops, while not rich, are certainly well paid, and being a part of the police force gives people the ability to affect change from within.

The Dallas police chief is black, has been highly successful, and i would assume he knows a bit more about the situation than many of the people on this board.

People here can get worked up about some of the most benign statements from people.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

74. Yep n/t

[arely staircase]

93. Dallas xops make about 40 grand a year. That isnt all that well paid.

That is probably too much for the Baton Rouge PD. But that is way unserpaid for the DPD.

[PersonNumber503602]

150. I think the average salary is $50k/yr

Maybe entry-level is around $42k?

Not totally awful for North Texas, but not particularly great. I would expect $50k to be on the low end and up to like $70k on the higher end.

[arely staircase]

156. The salary range you propose seems about right. nt

[liberal N proud]

76. Violence against the police will get no one nowhere

[Lil Missy]

78. He's doing a great job under very difficult circumstances. Maybe, you are part of the problem. n/t

[840high]

86. Next time post the whole quote. What have

you done to help? His suggestions are good.

[DustyJoe]

89. tones

From the tone of some of the comments on this thread, it appears some are just so anti-police that no words can sway their view. Possibly some of the detractors have had too many run-ins with john law to listen to anything from their side. IMO

[tandot]

90. Why? We should work hard to have diversity in Law Enforcement

What is wrong about that? Protest goes only so far ... having a more black or multi cultural law enforcement will do so much more. And, having a black police chief who could be a role model to the next generation ... and ensures that racist officers don't have a chance in their department ... you are so utterly wrong

[Lucinda]

92. You seem to be very poorly informed about the Chief...

He has had real experience with gun violence issues within his own family, and his department is often cited as a model for those wishing to build bridges between law enforcement and the community.

[bravenak]

94. Dallas is one of the areas that actually has been working on fixing the police

Those officers were not assaulting protesters or pepper spraying them. They were doing exactly what we want them to do. They were sniped out by a man who used the protesters as cover. He obviously had no love for BLM or Cops. Dallas had gotten fewer and fewer complaints since the incidents a few years past.

[craigmatic]

97. We do need more black cops who know how to diffuse a situation. Just to be real the protests aren't

working. Change in America comes from boycotts, greasing palms, and buying politicians.

[Ash_F]

104. Get where you are coming from, but will share this for balance

[MadDAsHell]

108. "How dare he?". Dude, it's a free country. And that's a good thing. nt

[applegrove]

116. Maybe Texas should tax their abundant rich more so starting salaries

for cops in Dallas is not $44,000 a year. Police are quitting left right and center even before the shooting of police in Dallas.

[MineralMan]

120. Sounds to me like you don't really know much about this.

Sounds to me like a knee-jerk reaction without much thought.

The Dallas Police were walking with the protesters when some person who was not part of the protest started shooting at them. They weren't arresting protesters. They were walking with them.

The Dallas Police was protecting people's first amendment rights. The shooter was not exercising those rights.

Knee-jerk reactions are not really all that useful. Not in any way.

[NaturalHigh]

124. Dude, you need to take your anger pills.

The guy just lost five cops, and you, for some reason I will never understand, get a hair up your ass and decide to attack him for a perfectly innocent remark. Grow up.

[frankieallen]

130. Maybe he doesn't want to see any more protesters to get run over?

[Stinky The Clown]

132. I can think off few posts over my time here that I have disagreed with more than yours.

But I gotta say. Good moling.

[crack of noon]

134. talk about ready, fire, aim

I understand frustration but as someone who watched when the comment was made, as someone whose business is in close proximity to Police HQ and the shooting sites I can only say you got the context of this wrong, and while not perfect or even close this Chief and his dept have tried pretty hard the last year to make things better.

[runaway hero]

135. keyboard warrior.

[okieinpain]

137. i approve the police chiefs message. i tried to

get my son to join our police force but he doesn't want to be associated with the police.

[rockfordfile]

141. I can see how that comes off as being a ass

He's calling the protesters part of the problem? what does he mean by that?

[DrDan]

142. how dare he have a personal opinion as to a solution . . . and express it - he deserves some

profanity

[uponit7771]

146. The whole context it makes sense and Brown is given the benefit of the doubt...

... I do think he could've worded it different so FAUX news et al could not pick it appart.

[Rex]

147. Nicely taken out of context, you purposely left off some vital information.

Unrec

[Lancero]

149. Hilariously, I think most people 'outraged' over his statement are going to be...

White folks who don't want to see any more AA's on the force.