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The Black American Experience in one quick chart (Original Post) MrScorpio Jul 2016 OP
And yet the president, attorney general, and secretary of homeland security are all black. Old Union Guy Jul 2016 #1
Are you sure you are an old Union guy? morningfog Jul 2016 #2
What does that mean? Old Union Guy Jul 2016 #3
Oh! That kind of union! I was thinking of the Union. morningfog Jul 2016 #5
Yes, they are powerless to completely stop it MrScorpio Jul 2016 #4
+1. It has been said (seemingly) 1,000,000 times ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #33
The oppressive nature of our people and government... NCTraveler Jul 2016 #6
As if a we elect kings who rule by fiat and we only needed on black King. morningfog Jul 2016 #7
And the Dallas police chief Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #8
I don't think that's a giant mistake. He is right. puffy socks Jul 2016 #18
I agree, especially the last part Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #20
How dare people express a sentiment you disagree with. LanternWaste Jul 2016 #32
A good question. midnight Jul 2016 #9
You think they can end centuries of institutional racism? ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #12
I think they can reign in law enforcement. n/t Old Union Guy Jul 2016 #42
Obvious rollT is OBVIOUS! TheDebbieDee Jul 2016 #19
And yet the Overwhelming majority of positions of power at all levels of govt are still all white. lib87 Jul 2016 #27
And what would you have ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #34
A civics refresher course may be in order for you. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #40
You forgot a few people who are not rury Jul 2016 #44
K&R Solly Mack Jul 2016 #10
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #11
Sadly, this chart is accurate Gothmog Jul 2016 #13
K&R brer cat Jul 2016 #14
Stupefyingly simplistic, but there is a lot of truth in it. Sadly, too much truth. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #15
Excellent n/t jaysunb Jul 2016 #16
And all of this has led to dehumanization zz-la Jul 2016 #17
America is still fighting its goddamned Civil War... VOX Jul 2016 #21
I cannot Rec this. I can kick it. Raine1967 Jul 2016 #22
That is as clear as anything I've ever seen. chowder66 Jul 2016 #23
The word "Segregation" zentrum Jul 2016 #24
Of course, this is a huge part of the Black American Experience mountain grammy Jul 2016 #25
The mass incarceration era started when Reconstruction ended struggle4progress Jul 2016 #26
+1 ... for historical truth. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #36
The stereotypes so obviously originate as justifications of the economic systems struggle4progress Jul 2016 #39
That's a powerful statement KelleyKramer Jul 2016 #28
it's almost like the leaders of this country think that blacks need to be continually subjugated Fast Walker 52 Jul 2016 #29
The chart is incorrect. DrBulldog Jul 2016 #30
this. Amimnoch Jul 2016 #31
The period from 1954 to 1981 DOES represent ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #37
True; but, I would have started the "Mass Incarceration" section ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #35
Ouch. Iggo Jul 2016 #38
K&R uawchild Jul 2016 #41
K&R BumRushDaShow Jul 2016 #43
 

Old Union Guy

(738 posts)
1. And yet the president, attorney general, and secretary of homeland security are all black.
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 08:56 PM
Jul 2016

Are they powerless to stop it, or just don't feel like it?

 

Old Union Guy

(738 posts)
3. What does that mean?
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 09:01 PM
Jul 2016

Working class solidarity does not require me to love any member of the ruling class, even a president I voted for and his appointees.

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
4. Yes, they are powerless to completely stop it
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 09:02 PM
Jul 2016

They can all make limited measures to mitigate this problem, limitations indicative to their particular offices.

But let's not forget that severe backlashes against them happen even when they all have the temerity to simply acknowledge that the problem exists, much less take any concrete action.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
33. +1. It has been said (seemingly) 1,000,000 times ...
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:05 AM
Jul 2016

if Black people could end, or even affect, institutionalized racism/white supremacy, we would have already done so.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
6. The oppressive nature of our people and government...
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 09:03 PM
Jul 2016

Is deeply entrenched. The people you mention have fought for improvements. No one thought electing Obama was going to fix it.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
8. And the Dallas police chief
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 09:11 PM
Jul 2016

Many are dumping on now because he made the giant mistake is saying they could accomplish more if thy signed up to be police officers, how dare him say that.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
18. I don't think that's a giant mistake. He is right.
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 09:53 PM
Jul 2016

Dallas has had police dropping out left and right because he is putting up with any nonsense from officers.
He's being bashed by police forces in other cities for sticking to his guidelines and firing bad cops.

This would be a great time for some of these folks to help by becoming part of the force.

I think he's doing a great job from everything I've read and the data I've sifted through thus far.

He probably should have left out the part about the "being part of the problem" imo.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
32. How dare people express a sentiment you disagree with.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 10:31 AM
Jul 2016

" how dare him say that..."

How dare people express a sentiment you disagree with.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other-- and each as interpretive and petulant as the other. However, I really do empathize-- as I understand it's simply ethically convenient to indict others for the very same actions we rationalize in ourselves.

 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
19. Obvious rollT is OBVIOUS!
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 09:56 PM
Jul 2016

Instead of the republican convention you should go the NAACP Convention and say those things. You'll find a lot of friends there, I'm sure!

lib87

(535 posts)
27. And yet the Overwhelming majority of positions of power at all levels of govt are still all white.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 12:28 AM
Jul 2016

Are they powerless to stop it, or just don't feel like it?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
34. And what would you have ...
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:07 AM
Jul 2016

the President, Attorney General, and Secretary of homeland security do to stop it?

rury

(1,021 posts)
44. You forgot a few people who are not
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 08:13 PM
Jul 2016

black and need to be part of a lasting solution. They are called federal and state legislators, judges, state attorneys general, district attorneys, prosecutors, probation and parole board members and freaking law enforcement personnel.
It takes more than three highly visible black people in the federal government - even with all of the authority of their respective offices - to address this longstanding problem. Your overly simple suggestion works only in dictatorships. You're welcome for the civics lesson.

Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

zz-la

(224 posts)
17. And all of this has led to dehumanization
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 09:51 PM
Jul 2016

For so many people in this country they look and see black people in a way that they would never look upon a white person. It's easy to incarcerate and execute people that are dehumanized from the word go.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
21. America is still fighting its goddamned Civil War...
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 09:58 PM
Jul 2016

150+ years out, and STILL stuck in this conflict. And worse, there's a real chance that war could be lost if its lessons are not applied. Damn, Americans are slow and stubborn. And small-minded.

chowder66

(9,066 posts)
23. That is as clear as anything I've ever seen.
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:46 PM
Jul 2016

This should be on billboards across the country, in ads, in newspapers, on protest signs.... Plastered Everywhere.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
24. The word "Segregation"
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 11:02 PM
Jul 2016

…..is just one aspect of all the things that were done under Jim Crow.

And in lots of ways and parts of the country, "segregation" did not end in 1954. It's not at all the case that all Black Americans had to deal with since 1954 was mass incarceration. Jim Crow just kind went underground with a wink and a nod.

The chart shows though that it's been a 400 year Apartheid-type country.

mountain grammy

(26,613 posts)
25. Of course, this is a huge part of the Black American Experience
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 12:07 AM
Jul 2016

but not all of it. Part of that experience must be the perseverance, resilience, and the courage to fight back and for change. I look at this chart and see the worst that had been done to a people and feel hopeless, but real hope, change, and optimism came from these same people and that's had a huge impact on the total American experience, even while full equality is still a dream. Chris Rock said, to say black people have progressed is to say everything that happened to them was their fault, and I completely agree. He also said white people were crazy, now they're less crazy, putting the blame where it belongs. But the credit goes to a people who fought enormous odds just to survive, much less excel, but they did.

The white race has been writing the rules for a long time, but that's changing too, and it can't happen soon enough.

struggle4progress

(118,273 posts)
39. The stereotypes so obviously originate as justifications of the economic systems
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:54 PM
Jul 2016
Before the war:

Why doesn't Sambo go to school with us, Mommy?
Well, his people just aren't smart enougn to learn reading and arithmetic. So the kindest thing we can do is to put them to work in the cotton fields as soon as they're old enough
And why are his clothes always so raggedy?
That's because his people are all so lazy. Some of them won't even work unless we whip them

And after the war:

Why are so many of Sambo's brothers on the chain-gang, Mommy?
Well, his people are naturally violent criminals. So they do bad things, like stealing or talking back, and then we have to arrest them and punish them to teach them how to behave
 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
29. it's almost like the leaders of this country think that blacks need to be continually subjugated
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 07:05 AM
Jul 2016

or something...

 

DrBulldog

(841 posts)
30. The chart is incorrect.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 08:37 AM
Jul 2016

The period from 1954 to 1981 is not part of the mass incarceration period. This period needs to be re-defined as a civil rights era that acted as a protest period for African-Americans - a time that was temporarily an optimistic one when Jim Crow had been significantly pushed back until Reagan's War on Drugs legislation brought a new form of Jim Crow (mass incarceration) to replace segregation.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
31. this.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 10:04 AM
Jul 2016


Step 1: Create a victimless crime.
Step 2: Selectively apply the prosecution and incarceration of it.
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
37. The period from 1954 to 1981 DOES represent ...
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:21 AM
Jul 2016

a CONTINUATION of the mass incarceration that began after the end of slavery. The War on Drugs may have increased the numbers/frequency; but, it's not like African-Americans weren't being sent to prison farms for such heinous crimes of vagrancy, before Reagan!

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
35. True; but, I would have started the "Mass Incarceration" section ...
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:13 AM
Jul 2016

at the 1865 mark. Also, beneath the timeline, I would include a heading, covering the entire timeline, entitled: "State sanctioned terrorism".

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