How is it that this crude, unethical, con-man is so far ahead of Hillary in the polls..?

[kentuck]

When the voters are asked about "honesty and trustworthiness"?

Are there really that many Democrats and Independents that think Donald Trump is more honest and trustworthy than Hillary Clinton? Houston, we have a problem...

In reported polls from yesterday, Trump was up from 10-15 points on this issue.

Do the people simply not care or are they uninformed by the media?

Whatever problems some might have with Hillary Clinton, there is no way in hell she is less trustworthy than that carnival barker from the Queens.

Unless Hillary can change these numbers, it could be a long night on election day.

[global1]

1. Much Of The American Electorate Believe Reality Shows Are Real Too......(sarcasm) nt

[Wounded Bear]

2. Meh, perception is reality...

People think "all politicians are dishonest" (perhaps except 'my' politician ), and since Trump is not a "politician" people assume that he must be more honest than Hillary. Most of this is due to 30 years of RW talk radio and TV drumming that into their heads, but that is how it goes.

[sarae]

9. I think you're right...

as sad as it is, that's the kind of simplistic thinking a lot of people have.

Although I'm not sure how people arrive at the conclusion that "billionaire businessman = honest & trustworthy"

[Wounded Bear]

10. Well, regardless of that...

and I agree with you BTW, I cannot fathom why anybody would think a billionaire businessman would solve a crisis/problem that was caused by.....billionaire businessmen.



IIRC regarding history, businessmen have made some of the worst presidents we've had, and none of the 'best' ones, TBS, with the exception maybe of Harry Truman, who was not a billionaire.

[sarae]

14. Right?

Especially when the billionaire businessman in question is the shadiest billionaire businessman EVER.

And even if someone thinks Trump is knowledgeable and qualified , what makes someone think that Donald Trump is capable of feeling empathy, despite all evidence to the contrary?

[KingCharlemagne]

25. While readily conceding your larger point, I would note that FDR made Joseph Kennedy Sr. the first

head of the SEC, a move akin some might argue to putting the fox in charge of the henhouse . But it actually worked out rather well, in hindsight. (Kennedy's ambassadorship to the UK in the late 30s is another story for another day.)

[Nevernose]

3. Hillary's been taking their shit for 25+ years

Trump has only been in the public eye in a way that veracity matters for about a year. Nobody really cared whether a reality TV star and/or failed businessman told the truth.

And the mainstream press doesn't usually call ANYONE a liar or call them on their bullshit, and I don't think they've figured out how to deal with someone like Trump, someone who is essentially incapable of telling the truth or knowing any facts whatsoever.

[hamsterjill]

4. Hillary is fighting at least 3 decades of untruths that have been spouted over and over and over

again and again about her.

I live in Texas and is just saw a post from a "friend" of mine on Facebook that had a picture of Hillary. The friend's comment? "The face of evil".

Really? The face of evil? The woman who has tried her whole damn life to get healthcare for little children?

The Christian Taliban (and full disclosure, I am a Christian, but I am not one of them!) has done an awesome job of vilifying the Clintons in red states, at least. I have no real experience of this elsewhere since I can only vouch for what I see where I happen to live, but I suspect this same element is true everywhere.

It's disgusting. They'll vote for a con artist and a cheat before they'll vote for a woman. And in the process, they'll convince themselves that Trump is God's emissary so that they feel good about voting for him.

THIS IS WHY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US who is rational, who understands what is at stake, who wants things to go forward instead of backwards, and who cares about this country MUST get out there and vote for Hillary. We must take people with us to the voting precincts, and we MUST do our best (albeit hopeless in many cases) to counter the lies and misinformation that is being so very rampantly spread.

[Martin Eden]

15. +1

The rightwing noise machine has spent decades vilifying Hillary Clinton, and all too many voters have concluded that where there is a lot of smoke there must be fire.

To be clear, I don't think HRC is a particularly honest politician. However, compared to Donald Trump on the mendacity scale she is Mother Theresa.

[awake]

5. Trump is an honest to goodness racist bag of dog Sh*t

so I guess in one way some might think him honest.

[KingCharlemagne]

26. or a bag of racist dog Sh*t. Take your pick :) - nt

[RKP5637]

6. Many Americans IMO are ignorant, uninformed and brainwashed. n/t

[CrowCityDem]

7. Because when a racist says "I'm a racist", he's being honest.

[sarae]

11. That's what bothers me so much during this election...

The idea that as long as he doesn't try to hide it, there's nothing wrong with being a bigoted douchebag; that that's somehow worthy of praise. I feel like we've taken a strange turn into a parallel universe lately...

[hamsterjill]

23. I agree.

The fact that his followers see nothing wrong with this, scares the hell out of me, too. When did being enlightened become a bad thing?

[cilla4progress]

8. By defunding public education

and making college out of reach for many, the right has been able to supply Trump with his base of "the poorly educated," he professes to love.

[lpbk2713]

12. Faux and the other propaganda machines bang the drums over and over.

The message never changes.

The Fauxbots are too intellectually lazy to seek out the truth for themselves.
They go with what they are told from a dishonest and manipulative source.

[daleo]

13. I suspect the people who say Trump is honest, mean "he's not politally correct"

People who say Hillary is not honest are probably just reflexively responding to the "all politicians are corrupt" meme. Trump gets a pass from them (for now), as he has never been in office.

[kentuck]

16. I think Hillary should point out to the Republicans that Donald Trump is no "conservative"..

"So, let's just cut the conservative crap and be honest. He is a divisive, partisan demagogue and stop pretending that you don't know it. He is a con-man and you are his mark. The good thing about Donald is that he is going to destroy the so-called "conservative movement", once and for all..."

[Bradical79]

17. Some people don't pay a lot of attention and have a poor grasp of what honesty means

Some think Trump is "honest" in that he believes what he says regardless of how true it is. Basically, that he's an honest idiot. It seems to me that even if no one believes what you say is true, you will still be viewed as honest if you put enough conviction behind your lies. That was kind of my first impression of him, early on before glancing at his history, when his main theme seemed to be along the lines of "I'm rich, I bought you, but you can't by me".

[dmosh42]

18. Whoever pays off, wins the polls. Notice ABC and NBC/WSJ show a very close race, but Reuters and...

GE show Trump trailing by double digits! WTF!

[Qutzupalotl]

19. As a former SoS, Hillary is careful and nuanced in her public statements.

To the uninformed, that can sound shady.

Trump shoots from the hip, speaks off the cuff, gets in trouble, doesn't care. That seems like honesty to his base. And it might be; but it reveals the underlying racism in his thinking. If the racism doesn't offend you, you're likely to vote for Trump.

[The2ndWheel]

21. Like Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice?

Did they sound shady, or are people on the left uninformed?

[Qutzupalotl]

22. No.

Hillary is her own person.

Rice definitely sounded shady to me, as though she were hiding something, such as her incompetence or worse surrounding the warnings of an imminent attack by Al Qaeda in 2001. Her voice quakes when she testifies about such matters.

But if Powell and Rice were running against Trump, Trump would get the nomination, provided he could play up his military school experience vs. Powell.

[KingCharlemagne]

28. There's that little matter of the My Lai cover-up in Powell's distant history too. - nt

[The2ndWheel]

34. What does her being a former SoS have to do with anything then?

Not really a job not known for bending truths.

If Rice sounded shady to you, that's just an opinion. The same way if people listen to Clinton speak in a careful and nuanced way, then maybe they hear her searching for the answer that sounds right. Everyone hears what they want to hear. I'm not sure if it has all that much to do with being uninformed. I would say it's political bias more than anything, either way.

[Qutzupalotl]

35. Being careful with words raises suspicion among

people without an understanding of world affairs or the need for nuance. Shooting from the hip sounds like honesty to them.

You should see the video of Rice's testimony, by the way. She was literally shaking, and that's not an opinion.

[tblue37]

20. Propaganda works, especially when people are not able to recognize that they are

being subjected to it. But even those who do know the MSM pushes RW propaganda eventually have their perceptions subtly influenced by the incessant drumbeat of ginned up scandals over decades. Hillary has done things I don't approve of, but the RW's attacks on her are propaganda, and the media not only carries their water on anti-Clinton propaganda, but they have also actively promoted Trump while suppressing public awareness of how unfit and how corrupt and dangerous he is.

[KingCharlemagne]

24. 70% of Americans believe that angels actually exist. - nt

[kimbutgar]

31. I was saved one time from drowning while tubing and a hand appeared with light and pulled me out

When I came out of the water there was no one there.

I have a BA degree and was pretty close to getting my Masters but decided not to put myself in debt. I believe in Angels.

[KingCharlemagne]

33. OK. Now please use the Scientific Method to prove that angels exist. What's

the Scientific Method, you ask?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

Glad you survived and that you did not go into debt to finance the chimera of a Master's. I escaped with my Master's debt-free thanks to an assistantship. Was not so lucky with the Ph.D. program for which I'm still paying.

[AntiBank]

38. I hear crickets

[kimbutgar]

39. Ok I believe in science 100% but there are some metaphysical things that can not be explained

Do you believe in the hereafter? My Mother died recently and I have experienced things happening to me that I can not explain scientifically.

[AntiBank]

37. more than 70

[apcalc]

27. They watch Fox. (notice I did not say Fox "News" ) That explains everything.

[kimbutgar]

29. I woman I know my age doesn't like the cheeto but said she was concerned about Hillary being a liar

She is not a political junkie. I made a point to set her straight. She knew nothing about Karl Rove deleting all those emails and then I asked her did she know how to set up a server herself. Most likely all the tech was given to Hillary. She was so busy traveling being SOS how would she know about where and when the emails that came to her being marked as classified?

[spanone]

30. the media drum beats it day in day out 24/7

[doc03]

32. The whole point of the Benghazi and E-mail hearings was to bring

her numbers down the Republicans said so themselves.

[malaise]

36. The corporate media are even bigger cons

And the money keeps rolling in

[AntiBank]

40. where are these polls with shitgibbon so far ahead of Hillary?

Rasmussen is weighted too heavily with Rethuggies and even it gives the gibbon only +2.

[malaise]

41. M$Greedia is no different

That's why

[Mc Mike]

42. Quinn. polls faulty methodology:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2252719