Another youth shot by the police in Fresno, CA..

[kentuck]

http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article89431417.html

How many more?

[atreides1]

1. How many more?

How many are left???

[yeoman6987]

27. Nosey people called the police

That is the problem with most of these shootings. I have seen a trend where police are called by some Nosey body. When will that stop??????

[B2G]

2. Will there be protests? nt

[morningfog]

8. THe protests do not cease. They are ongoing.

[jmg257]

3. What the heck is going on there? What was the victim trying to do?

On Edit: Guess many will be askign that question...

“People are going to question Dylan’s conduct of why he did certain things,” Paboojian said. “The officers never gave Dylan an explanation or a chance to speak. The officers never, in those 30 commandments that Jerry Dyer indicated, did they ask him, ‘Do you have a gun?’ All they were doing was telling a young boy who may have been under the influence of some alcohol to do a bunch of commands for a routine traffic stop.”

[Xithras]

5. It wasn't a routine traffic stop.

The police were called in because people were calling 911 reporting someone waving a gun around.

Watching the video, I do get why he was shot. He was pulled over in response to complaints that he was waving a gun. While in his truck, he hid his right hand when the police told him to put his hands up. He exited the truck with an object in his right hand, ignoring more commands to drop the object and put his hand up. He yells something that sounded like a suicidal statement, and then walked at the officers, ignoring multiple orders to stop and show his hands, with the object concealed behind him. The officer even warned him that if he continued walking forward they were going to shoot him. When he continued walking at them, they shot him.

They gave him a fuckload more chances than they would have given a black man in the same situation. If he hadn't been a countryfied white boy in a jacked up four wheel drive truck, they'd have opened fire on him the moment he opened the door.

[katsy]

9. I watched the video also

I saw the young man's hands but not both at the same time. No mistaking there was no gun after he was shot on the ground.

How the fuck did that justify shoot to kill?

[SkeleTim1968]

33. He kept hiding one hand

Who knows why, but imho this shooting was justified.

[katsy]

34. Point me to the law that states

hiding one hand from LE carries a minimum death penalty sentence carried out out by LE bypassing the courts.

Can't? Then how is it justified? Fucking cowards shot an unarmed man. Cowards. Afraid to engage civilly in the communities they are supposed to serve. What kind of shit command is "get on the ground" For what reason? What kind of fucking society allows such shabby treatment of human beings. No gun. Punks.

[SkeleTim1968]

35. He has to obey lawful orders. He purposely hid his hand and it easily could have been hiding a gun.

What was the point of continually hiding one hand?
They had every reason to believe he may have had a weapon. He was behaving like he had a weapon.
It's justified. Sad but justified.

[Statistical]

20. How was he waving a gun around when he had no gun?

No gun on him. No gun in his truck. No gun on the ground at the location.

[katsy]

4. I watched the video.

I saw the man's hands.

Wtf is wrong with the cop screaming "i can't see his hands"? The camera showed both hands but both not visible at the same time. The only thing i am sure of was there was no gun.

Was it really necessary to kill him? Because he didn't obey to get on the ground? Protect & serve is outdated & now we just must fucking obey?

We are cattle. We are the enemy. Nothings. Treated like fucking scum. Idk but an order to "get on the ground" in absence of a weapon just seems disrespectful and embarrassing.

[gratuitous]

6. Cops scream a lot of things

I didn't watch this video, but quite often in the snuff films produced by our faultless law enforcement officers, the cop will scream various things to establish an alibi: "Stop resisting" is a favorite, especially when a gang of officers are squeezing the life out of some luckless citizen. The fellow in Minneapolis was screaming that his victim hadn't kept his hands on the steering wheel as he was ordered to. Unfortunately, the victim's girlfriend was right there to calmly observe (as her boyfriend gurgled his life away) that the cop had ordered him to show his identification, and when he tried to comply, got shot for his trouble.

Everybody's on edge: Cops, civilians, government officials. The only thing we can think of to do is pour more weapons into the mix, hoping things will get better. It's kind of a stupid solution, but it's the only one we're willing to try.

[katsy]

7. The reason this video shook me up so badly

is that the young man could well have been my son. And my son is not going to get on the ground for anyone. And he's never armed because we aren't gun culture. But he is a smartass. So that's a death penalty crime now? Not worshipping authority is a death penalty crime?

But my smart mouthed, rebellious son won't get ordered to get on the ground because he's white.

If that one fact doesn't chill you to the bone nothing will.

A young black man doing exactly the same thing I know young white men do gets killed. So how long before they start hunting young white men? Face it one day young, mouthy, kids may really piss someone off.

[B2G]

10. Well you might want to have a little talk with your son, because

the kid who is the subject of this thread is white. And dead.

[katsy]

12. 🙈🙊

I really could not tell.

There's no justification for lethal force based on only suspicion people are going to be violent or are armed.

[jmg257]

13. Not worshiping authority is one thing...not listening to them during a traffic stop, or

other tense confrontation, isn't all that bright.

Your son may be an ass, but a smart ass? Not so sure.

I wish him luck!

[katsy]

14. So bad behavior gets you shot?

Really?

[jmg257]

15. Ask Dylan Noble, etc etc. likely may depend heavily on the circumstances.

Other bad things can happen, besides the worse of getting killed.

[cwydro]

18. Failure to comply with police commands can get you shot.

Might want to advise your son of that.

Whites are also killed by cops.

[LanternWaste]

23. Polite and repectful compliance can also get one shot

Polite and repectful compliance can also get one shot... as Philando Castile has accurately illustrated for us.

[SkeleTim1968]

36. This more than bad behavior. A call was made about a man waving a gun around.

I watched the video several times . You could not see both hands.
He got out of the truck and then acted as if he may have had a weapon.
Dumb thing to do...and even as he's lying on the ground he continues to reach.
Maybe it was a suicide by cop?

[FLPanhandle]

22. Your son has problems with authority then.

Not a good thing when authorities are armed.

In fact, it's stupid.

[katsy]

24. I dont see it as a problem in that he isnt aggressive.

He's young. It's part of being young to challenge the status quo.

Beat that out of them?

[jmg257]

25. Or arrest him and let the court decide. Disorderly Conduct is like that catch-all

you can charge people with for being idiots and/or assholes.

[FLPanhandle]

26. I assume he has a decent IQ

Appeal to his logic and intelligence, however, you should proud of his behavior which is probably why he behaves the way he does.

[katsy]

30. He does. Pianist. Classical. AP student

I guarantee you he wouldn't get on the ground for anyone. I expect youth to buck authority. It's healthy.

I don't expect kids getting killed for being snarky or not complying with sadistic orders.

In absence of a gun or imminent threat to the lives of the officers or other civilians, the officer's behavior matters. Snark isnt a death penalty offense.

This isn't a police state.

[LeftyMom]

38. He'll be fine then. Class markers.

In Fresno a squirrely white kid with a lower class affect and a pickup is going to be read as a tweaker until the piss test comes back clean.

[LeftyMom]

37. So many videos show cops yelling "stop resisting" while they're beating the shit out of somebody

who is "resisting" by flinching or trying to protect their head from blows.

Then they charge the victim with resisting arrest or assaulting an LEO, often with no charge to explain WTF the arrest being resisted was for in the first damn place.

The circular logic of repression needs to be named loudly and often.

[SkeleTim1968]

40. "I saw the man's hands. "

How ? He never showed both hands without it looking as if he tucked something into the back of his pants after he got out of the truck. He kept putting them behind his back. Then he comes toward them. There is no way these officers could have assessed whether he had a weapon in time to defend themselves. Unfortunate , but completely justified.

[katsy]

41. He had no gun

He had no gun.

They shot him.

Both hands empty and then shot him dead even after seeing he was not armed.

They are cowards. They are murderers.

And so what if he had his hands behind his back... That's not a threat when there is no weapon pointing at you.

Fucking criminals.

[malaise]

11. One a day??? n/t

[Glassunion]

16. Actually at our current rate, there are 2 police homicides per day.

with one out of 10 victims being unarmed.

Some perspective... Two folks a day killed by police, every 10 days they kill a woman, every 2.5 days they kill someone unarmed, and 1 every other day that suffer from mental illness.

[malaise]

17. This is madness

Violence by the state on steroids.

[Kingofalldems]

19. A question that is never asked---were the cops using steroids?

[Statistical]

21. Drug testing and third party (DOJ and/or FBI) investigation should be mandatory in any police ...

shooting.

The cops certainly sounded roided out to me.

[mike_c]

28. comply or die....

That is the cop culture we now think is routine and normal in this country. The Fresno cops had no objective evidence that this kid was armed or that he posed any other kind of threat to them. They couldn't have any such evidence, because we now know that none existed. They imagined the threat and then murdered this kid for noncompliance. Is it too much to ask that cops determine the true nature of imaginary threats before they summarily execute people for noncompliance?

This really was a simple traffic stop. There was no actual evidence of any kind linking this kid to those supposed earlier reports of someone carrying a gun (which, if not being used in the commission of a crime is itself probably legal anyway). Nothing that this kid did or said during his short interaction with police warranted deadly force. They killed him for simple noncompliance. Comply or die. That's the cop rule.

[Chemisse]

29. The first shooting will be ruled okay.

And by okay, I mean the cops did what they are taught to do and allowed to do, as far as I know. Whether the police should be taught to respond with deadly force in such situations are a whole other matter.

The second shootings, after he was on the ground, are not okay (even though they may be ruled such at some point).

Someone who has been shot cannot be expected to respond to commands to show his hands. In addition, they could easily see that he did not have a gun in his hand at that time, nor would he be able to draw and shoot quickly. And finally, four cops should be able to restrain one wounded man on the ground.

[Go Vols]

31. What does he say at 5:13?

I fucking hate my life,then shot?

[citood]

32. God Shoot/Bad Shoot

The victim appears to be about one truck length, or 20ish feet from police, advancing, with one hand up and one behind his back. I don't know why he was doing that...and he may not have known that the police had been answering a call about a man with a gun...but walking towards police with your hand behind your back (while they are shouting hands up) will likely lead to bad things happening.

But I believe I heard two shots fired while the man was on the ground...and who knows, those final shots may have been the fatal ones. That might just get the cop charged with murder.

[Statistical]

39. I think the second two shots were getting rid of the witness.

The cops didn't know someone was filming and if that cellphone footage hadn't come out well these body camera videos would be buried as well. They almost got away with it. Well they still might get away with it but they almost got away with it clean.

I mean after the two shots he is on the ground grabbing the wound (getting shot in the stomach is probably the most painful place to be shot) laying on his back surrounded by three armed cops. He is in obvious distress both hands visible. The cops wait almost 30 seconds so it isn't some reflex. There is no other "aggressor" on the scene and then two rapid shots and he is dead.