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One Person On Hillary’s Shortlist For VP Was Just Removed From DNC Speaker Schedule (Original Post) mrmpa Jul 2016 OP
Fingers crossed she's the VP pick! emulatorloo Jul 2016 #1
Very interesting...thanks for the link. n/t VOX Jul 2016 #2
... applegrove Jul 2016 #3
would it not be something DonCoquixote Jul 2016 #4
Maybe. I'm listening to Pregressive Radio on Sirius right now & the napi21 Jul 2016 #5
I just noticed that too, I instantly jumped over to DU to see everyones reaction... Firebrand Gary Jul 2016 #6
I REALLY REALLY hope that Clinton does decide to pick Warren. PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #7
It would help, for sure.good insurance policy& her banking expertise lostnfound Jul 2016 #10
If Warren is not giving a speech Helen Borg Jul 2016 #8
Oh? Her Sister Jul 2016 #14
yep AntiBank Jul 2016 #16
The schedule is bare as of this moment. NONE of the VP candidates on it! Her Sister Jul 2016 #18
I saw posts that had her speaking on Monday AntiBank Jul 2016 #19
I read mercuryblues Jul 2016 #27
You know, they are called "conditionals" Helen Borg Jul 2016 #20
If blah blah I'll be so outraged! Her Sister Jul 2016 #21
I don't understand why you are so confrontational and snarky. Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #23
Grrrrrrrrrrr grrrrrrrrrrrrr Her Sister Jul 2016 #24
What the hell is wrong with you? Why are you going nuts? nt ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #46
lol! Her Sister Jul 2016 #47
That's your response? ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2016 #48
Well, yeah. I mean she's an incredible asset to the party and she takes apart Trump every time she Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #17
It appears they keep screwing around with the speakers list to keep it in the news... bettyellen Jul 2016 #30
Yeah, that was kind of my other thought. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #38
I bet they are going to keep editing it for the next week, hee hee. bettyellen Jul 2016 #39
It certainly strikes me as the most exciting possibility. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #42
I'm excited enough I'm going to try and view some of both conventions with DUers. bettyellen Jul 2016 #43
Actually I tend to agree unless I'm misinterpreting the comment. Fla Dem Jul 2016 #31
Wow. SunSeeker Jul 2016 #9
Domain is purchased... PunkinPi Jul 2016 #28
Tentatively hoping she's not the running mate. Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2016 #11
I'm sure they've done the numbers on who is their best option. OnDoutside Jul 2016 #15
Not just a "senate seat's worth".... Wounded Bear Jul 2016 #34
None of the people on Hillary's VP short list were on the schedule oberliner Jul 2016 #12
Am not on Warren's camp! Nonetheless I trust the nominee to choose! Her Sister Jul 2016 #13
That would make me very happy. Vinca Jul 2016 #22
Warren for President - 2024.!!! StopTheNeoCons Jul 2016 #25
The only problem with Senator Warren as a VP pick thucythucy Jul 2016 #26
Two words, people: Charlie Baker. Nedsdag Jul 2016 #29
I'm willing to chance that we can win the special election. Zynx Jul 2016 #33
The person Baker chooses JenniferJuniper Jul 2016 #35
My choice: Elizabeth Warren.. mountain grammy Jul 2016 #32
I thought she'd pick Warren to go against Christie flamingdem Jul 2016 #36
What?! Holy CRAP! sofa king Jul 2016 #37
I'd like to see this as an OP of its own Small Accumulates Jul 2016 #40
Okay, I'll do it. sofa king Jul 2016 #45
Thank you! n/t Small Accumulates Jul 2016 #49
Be still, my heart eleny Jul 2016 #41
I could be swayed by Warren as a VP. roamer65 Jul 2016 #44

napi21

(45,806 posts)
5. Maybe. I'm listening to Pregressive Radio on Sirius right now & the
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 02:30 AM
Jul 2016

host was speculating about who Pence might have to debate. I have to admit Liz would have shredded any of Don the Con's last three choices, but Pence would be especially sweet. All those Teabaggers and LBGT haters would be shamed to hide their heads.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
6. I just noticed that too, I instantly jumped over to DU to see everyones reaction...
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 02:50 AM
Jul 2016


Could we really be this lucky???
7. I REALLY REALLY hope that Clinton does decide to pick Warren.
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 03:06 AM
Jul 2016

That'd really quell any doubts I have. I trust Warren implicitly.

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
16. yep
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 07:33 AM
Jul 2016

I think she is going to get the tap for VP.

No other reason I can think of why they would yank her off the schedule. Fingers cossed.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
18. The schedule is bare as of this moment. NONE of the VP candidates on it!
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 07:39 AM
Jul 2016

Probably will be really scheduled once HRC makes her VP choice known ahead of the Convention. Sure Warren will be a speaker if she's not the VP pick.

SO NO NEED TO GET OUTRAGED OVER NONSENSE!

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
20. You know, they are called "conditionals"
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 07:43 AM
Jul 2016

And they start with "if". Go back and reread messages before getting all outraged about nothing.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
23. I don't understand why you are so confrontational and snarky.
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:34 AM
Jul 2016

I don't find it to be appealing. Just reading that sort of comment makes us all lesser for it.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
48. That's your response?
Mon Jul 18, 2016, 12:38 PM
Jul 2016




Her Sister
18. The schedule is bare as of this moment. NONE of the VP candidates on it!

Probably will be really scheduled once HRC makes her VP choice known ahead of the Convention. Sure Warren will be a speaker if she's not the VP pick.

SO NO NEED TO GET OUTRAGED OVER NONSENSE!



Her Sister
21. If blah blah I'll be so outraged!

BIG EYEROLL!

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
17. Well, yeah. I mean she's an incredible asset to the party and she takes apart Trump every time she
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 07:38 AM
Jul 2016

opens her mouth.

I can't figure out any rational reason NOT to have her scheduled for the convention, unless she's being scheduled for a more prominent role due to being on the ticket.

I think she would be an excellent veep pick, but if she isn't, I can't imagine why she wouldn't be speaking in Philadelphia. It wouldn't make sense.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
30. It appears they keep screwing around with the speakers list to keep it in the news...
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 11:28 AM
Jul 2016

I don't expect a real announcement till she totally wants to steal the Trump thunder.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
39. I bet they are going to keep editing it for the next week, hee hee.
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 05:28 PM
Jul 2016

I think they doing a great job keeping it in the news. I'm surprised at how well Clinton and Warren did stumping together, there seems to be a good chemistry or something.
I would have never have guessed that I'd think a two woman ticket was yet viable in the US, but they certainly are. HRC had a lot of good choices, but just musing over a two woman ticket gives me the chills for my friends' daughters. It is important, and I'm proud they're ours. Crossing my fingers for Warren.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
43. I'm excited enough I'm going to try and view some of both conventions with DUers.
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 06:40 PM
Jul 2016

That should be good!

Fla Dem

(23,573 posts)
31. Actually I tend to agree unless I'm misinterpreting the comment.
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 11:37 AM
Jul 2016

I read the comment that if Elizabeth Warren is not the VP pick, then it would be outrageous not to have her speak at the convention. To me this is a reasonable reaction. Elizabeth Warren is an icon in the Democratic Party. To not have her not speak at the convention would be a major snub and a big disappointment to a majority of Democrats. Her speaking would go a long way to uniting and igniting the party. Next to President Obama, she would be the 2nd most spectacular speaker, then Michelle Obama and then Joe Biden. They would be quite the warm up for HRC's acceptance speech.

PunkinPi

(4,874 posts)
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Sun Jul 17, 2016, 11:24 AM
Jul 2016

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Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
11. Tentatively hoping she's not the running mate.
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 06:42 AM
Jul 2016

The Democrats have a deep bench this year.

I'm quite prepared to believe that Warren may be the best person on it, but I'd be very surprised if she were a whole senate seat's worth better than the next best person (even if you exclude Brown and Booker), and if not, I hope she's not picked - I'm dubious about Reid's ability to work magic.

Wounded Bear

(58,584 posts)
34. Not just a "senate seat's worth"....
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 12:02 PM
Jul 2016

most likely a committee chair, too, of a very powerful financial oversight committee, assuming we can flip the Senate.

I kind of want Liz to stay where she is.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
12. None of the people on Hillary's VP short list were on the schedule
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 07:12 AM
Jul 2016

Obama, Biden, Clinton, and Sanders are the only people on this list.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
13. Am not on Warren's camp! Nonetheless I trust the nominee to choose!
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 07:26 AM
Jul 2016

Still we have a lot of good choices! Yay!

thucythucy

(8,037 posts)
26. The only problem with Senator Warren as a VP pick
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:47 AM
Jul 2016

is that the governor of Massachusetts is a Republican, and he'd no doubt appoint one to take her place, at least until an election could be scheduled.

That's my only problem with her as a VP pick. Otherwise she'd be tremendous, and a real asset to the ticket.

Nedsdag

(2,437 posts)
29. Two words, people: Charlie Baker.
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 11:27 AM
Jul 2016

He's not going to choose a Democrat to replace Warren if Clinton chooses her.

JenniferJuniper

(4,507 posts)
35. The person Baker chooses
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 12:04 PM
Jul 2016

for the interim period isn't likely to be a contender in the special election. There aren't that many popular Republican politicians or public figures in Mass.

Assuming Tom Brady doesn't opt for an early retirement and throws his hat in the ring.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
37. What?! Holy CRAP!
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 12:07 PM
Jul 2016

From that one move, several early guesses can be made:

* Removing a speaker from the list is about as big a tell as you can show in the VP guessing game (unless you're Republican and Tim Tebow backs out on you). Furthermore, the timing of this move suggests that it is intentional, designed to tip off the press and tealeaf-readers so that pollsters can run their hypothetical matchup scenarios. It injects enthusiasm into Democrats and shows the general lack of finesse in the Republican pick, and keeps people looking ahead to the Democratic Convention while the dumpster fire burns. Warren can easily be added back to the speaker list if this is a head-fake, but it risks upsetting those of us who would consider the pick of Warren to be an excellent one.

* As best I can tell, Mass. election law now allows for an interim gubernatorial appointment, for up to 160 days, at which point a special election must be held. The current governor is Republican, and his appointment will have a leg up in the next regular election, and he may be able to run in the special election as well. Picking Warren would concede a large but not insurmountable advantage to the Massachusetts Republicans. Democrats must feel confident that Warren's position can be refilled by another Democrat in mid-2017.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vacancies-in-the-united-states-senate.aspx

* Assuming a win, the move would also promote the highly competent Ed Markey to the position of senior Senator from Massachusetts, which certainly puts him in a position for higher office or future cabinet posts. Markey got his current post through a clever double-move by the Obama Administration after the death of Ted Kennedy, in which they moved John Kerry to Secretary of State and created two new powerhouse Senators (Warren and Markey) with the move.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=263986

* Democrats cannot make a move like this without conceding territory in the Senate, temporarily. That, in turn, could dramatically influence the course of events that President Clinton can follow in her first five months... UNLESS your internal polling suggests that Democrats are going to wind up holding somewhere around 53-59 seats in the Senate. That range is enough to control business in the Senate, but not enough to override a filibuster. It provides some padding to give a seat away, temporarily. The Warren hand-tip suggests that Democrats are now very confident about regaining a strong majority in the Senate.

* In retrospect it appears as if Mrs. Clinton has been carefully judging the reactions of voters as she appeared with or dangled potential running mates, including Tim Kaine just last week. I recall a hypothetical scenario poll from much earlier in the year that suggested that a Clinton/Warren ticket could defeat any combination of Republicans.

* Democrats must also have noted something about the "misogyny vector" which works in our favor. My current assumption is that the racists are the misogynists, so that doubling down on a female ticket doesn't change any minds on the Republican side, but it must have a net positive effect on Democratic and undecided voters. That squares well with my own personal bias, though, so it's not a solid guess like some of the above.

The Senate will sorely miss Mrs. Warren, if she accepts the nomination as running-mate. But Ed Markey is a superb replacement as senior Senator and Massachusetts has a deep bag of competent leadership which can replace Warren. Democrats must feel considerably more confident about the upcoming elections than I suspected, for Warren is an intrepid and potentially risky choice in several ways. Wonderful!

Small Accumulates

(149 posts)
40. I'd like to see this as an OP of its own
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 06:00 PM
Jul 2016

It'll be easier for folks to find this as a beginning, rather than a middle. And it's an excellent analysis!

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