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Sun Jul 17, 2016, 07:52 PM

 

White cops murder blacks=blacks are bad; Black man kills cops=race war

This is insane. Why people start calling it a race war the second a couple of ex Millitary black men kill cops, but never see it as a race war in all the years that we have been systematically killed by police, I do not know. When white men kill cops they are just called lone wolves... Nothing to do with the rest of the white people.

Collective punishment of the African American community has been going on forever. We are all to blame for what any one black person does, our community is told that it is all of our fault when one of us snaps. That is wrong and it is how white supremacy flourishes.

Maybe it's time to come up with solution to all this killing instead of going with the old tried and true method of immediately blaming the entirety of the black community for what one man does. And we can stop pretending that we (the black community) have no reason to feel as if War is constantly being made upon us by the USA. We might have too many guns floating around where people with violent tendencies can get them with ease. Might be time to fix that.

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Reply White cops murder blacks=blacks are bad; Black man kills cops=race war (Original post)
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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 07:54 PM

1. +1,000 Off to the greatest page for you

Rec

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 07:57 PM

2. Funny. Cops seems to be all lumped together

 

When a civilian is killed.

Works both ways these days.

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Response to B2G (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:00 PM

5. They are self selected

 

We dont choose To be born black in white america. They choose to be cops. Cops are not a race. They are PAID to be in a dangerous profession that they chose. I am not paid to take racial abuse from cops. But I certainly have.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:06 PM

10. How does choosing to be a cop

mean it's OK to lump all cops together based on what some cops do?

Group blame is wrong when it's based on race, and it's wrong when it's based on occupation.

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:15 PM

15. They are the ones who profile us

 

This is us noticing

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:54 PM

36. Not an apt analogy...

Not all occupations carry guns, badges and an official mechanism to cover for them when they run off the rails.
If we hand out guns, badges and an official mechanism to cover of all black men when they encounter police, THEN I will grant you your otherwise biased as hell analogy.

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Response to Moostache (Reply #36)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:58 PM

43. You're missing the point completely

I'm not excusing the murderous behavior of the cops who commit those acts. But I'm not going to blame all cops for the actions of some cops. That's no different than blaming all black men for the acts of Micah Johnson and Gavin Long.

It's wrong in both cases.

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #43)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:02 PM

48. My bad then....I misinterpreted the post entirely.

Thank you for clarification. Your intent is clear now, but I have seen others (not here) that use a similar wording to advance a more insidious agenda.

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:25 PM

61. As it stands cops are all part of the problem because they are either a racist would be murderer

or they are protecting one. The only way this continues as it has is if there are a lot of silent witnesses.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #61)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:19 PM

92. Damn Straight

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #61)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 11:16 PM

105. You have it EXACTLY! Also, these thug cops are realizing

 

that some other cop may end up paying the price for THEIR harassment, over-policing and killing of unarmed black and brown people...

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #61)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 09:19 AM

125. +1000

 

Last edited Mon Jul 18, 2016, 01:21 PM - Edit history (1)

thousands of tatted nazis are just chomping at the bit for their RAHOWA, with the agitation and implied racist blame being presented to them by RW media and internet white supremacy sites. I agree about the complicity of the police who witness these executions of unarmed people and for various reasons, stay silent. And to me, none of the reasons for the continuing silence has merit. But WTF do I know...............

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #125)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 11:12 AM

141. There is also silence about who has

attitudes that might influence behavior and interactions with people of color. The "good guys" know who is telling the jokes and making revealing comments, etc.

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 11:03 PM

104. When are all those good cops

 

going to speak up against police brutality?
They know its happening and keep quiet.
If you help a criminal get away with a crime, you are an accomplice according to the law. Those that keep remaining silent are accomplices.
I have heard a very few officers speak out
and all but one are now former cops due to being fired or quitting after being harrassed.
Therefore the rest are as guilty as those actively engaged in brutality whom they protect.


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Response to B2G (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:00 PM

6. Not true. The militarization of cops is mentioned.

And steroids.

Do you deny steroids are a problem?

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Response to B2G (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:01 PM

7. Looks like a little spinning from you.

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Response to B2G (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:48 PM

28. That is true

but unfortunately, when very few cops do bad things, the rest of the cops refuse to acknowledge that there is a problem. They never face the music, they are never convicted inspite of getting caught on video. Any slightest mention of police not being perfect is met with so much resistance that even the president can't say much. When cops are killed everyone acknowledges that it is wrong and there is a problem. When cops are killed, everyone is enraged. When blacks are killed, it is just normal. Something needs to be done to make sure it is not routine or normal, peaceful protests are not working, BLM type activitsm - which is essentially activism but peaceful does not work, and this has escalated and BLM is blamed. I think this is a breaking point.

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Response to zenabby (Reply #28)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:55 PM

71. Other professions do seem better at admitting

There are bad ones. It is hard to understand why cops can't do this. They seem desperate to defend every cop no matter what. They seem to be not part of the community and to think in terms of us versus them. That needs changing.

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Response to B2G (Reply #2)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:52 PM

32. A cop is only blue

40 HOURS a week. I am black 24 seven and a danger to every cop just for holding a cell phone. Beat that with a stick

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Response to Coolest Ranger (Reply #32)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:00 PM

47. Holding a cell phone?

Man, if you MOVE your hand they think that is a threat...the level of hysteria concerning when a black man's movements generate a reasonable threat is astounding.

These cops that shoot first, shoot second, file a fraudulent report about how scared they were third need to be addressed far more than they are. We need more training of officers on how to maintain their calm in dangerous situations and the officers should all be monitored for their performance during annual reviews...anyone not passing a minimum safety threshold should be working a desk or parking meters until they either get some courage under fire or find a more suitable profession.

Being a police officer is HARD. It is underpaid, underappreciated and over-stressed work, but it also is NOT something just any former military asshole or idiot with a grudge should be allowed to do. Society has a choice before us...we can choose to continue rewarding assholes in banking and business with tax cuts and loopholes like capital gains or we can choose to recapture our sense of morality and fairness and take steps to make society more just and rewards of the qualified police more appropriate and safer.



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Response to Moostache (Reply #47)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:03 PM

49. I am done trrying to

convince people like you that we are shot for having a ceell phone in our hand.

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Response to Coolest Ranger (Reply #49)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:11 PM

52. Not trying to say that is not legitimate or real in any way.

No offense was meant and I do not need to be convinced of it.

I have seen and heard too many tales of black men being shot or LESS than a cell phone, simply moving an empty hand in some cases. I can't share the experience as I am not a black man, but I in no way wish to give the impression of dismissing the seriousness of the situation either.

It is a serious problem without my inadvertent or clumsy contribution making it worse. Please accept an apology if that was the way it came across.

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Response to Coolest Ranger (Reply #49)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:14 PM

55. I think you two are on the same page...

reads that way from here anyway. Maybe I need to read it again.

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Response to B2G (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 09:09 AM

124. distraction from the point

 

as is usual with a lot here. But can't be helped, I know.............

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Response to B2G (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 09:46 AM

128. None of the cop apologists seem

 

to mind lumping all the cops together
All cops are lauded as heroic and good.
If one gets shot we get to hear the "put their lives on the line everyday" meme

Then they add the sympathy grabbers that also aren't true. Such as:

"They're under appreciated. "

Nope. The constant hero worship is sickening.

"Theyre under paid"
Another load of bull. Salary, and benefits garner a beat cop $150k per yr.

The heroic crap is used to exonerate bad cops.

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Response to puffy socks (Reply #128)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 09:51 AM

130. 150K?

 

That right there is a load of bullshit.

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Response to B2G (Reply #130)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 10:07 AM

131. Thats a nypd beat cop salary plus benefits

 

Straight from Slate.
Are you calling them liars?

Starting salary in my city is 30k

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Response to puffy socks (Reply #131)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 10:15 AM

133. Yes, I am.

 

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/New-York-Police-Department-Police-Officer-Salaries-E106980_D_KO27,41.htm

And on average, they make about the same as teachers...who everyone seems to agree are underpaid. Educate yourself and don't rely on Slate for all of your info.

http://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/patrol-officer/salary

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Response to B2G (Reply #133)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 10:51 AM

138. Ive never relied on Slate for all info.

 



The median annual Police Patrol Officer salary in Saint Louis, MO is $51,658

and a range of $43,026-$60,963 not including bonus and benefit information and other factors that impact base pay.

http://www.lawenforcementedu.net/salaries/

2012-2013 Average Starting Teacher Salaries by State. HIGHLIGHTS. 2012-13 National Average Starting Teacher Salary: $36,141. State.

Who knew $10, 0000 was "about the same as teachers"?



and Teachers actually have educations. they don't just hop into the job without knowing what the hell they are doing. Plus they are now expected to teach and protect students from dangers.
so they should be paid the cops salary in addition to their own.




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Response to puffy socks (Reply #138)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 10:53 AM

139. So far you've thrown out a bunch of numbers,

 

none of which come anywhere close to the $150K you stated.

Thank you for making my point for me.

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Response to B2G (Reply #139)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 11:01 AM

140. Um yes 50 + benefits plus overtime as posted twice now. I guess cop apologists cant read either.,

 

Moreover, we pay our police officers handsomely in New York City. It costs taxpayers more than $8.5 billion a year to pay for the NYPD, and between salary, overtime, and the value of their benefits, the average beat cop costs the taxpayers more than $150,000 per year. That is not an argument for paying police officers less, just that we already pay these civil servants a lot more money than most people realize to do a job that is a lot less dangerous than most people imagine.



Here's the actual NYPD budget.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/pdf/govpub/OMB%202015%20Exec%20Budget%20Summary.pdf


Top base pay $78,026; total compensation $88,096 including top base pay, longevity pay, holiday pay and uniform allowance as of 7/31/2012. (Future contracts will be negotiated between NYC and the PBA.) This does not include night differential or overtime.

Starting salary
1st yr $45,673.63 after 5.5yrs $88,096.45

Additional Benefits

10 Paid vacation days during first & second year
13 Paid vacation days during third, fourth & fifth year
27 Paid vacation days after 5 years of service
Unlimited sick leave with full pay
A choice of paid medical programs
Prescription, dental, and eyeglass coverage
Annuity fund

Deferred Compensation Plan, 401K and I.R.A.
Optional retirement at one half salary after 22 years of service
Annual $12,000 Variable Supplement Fund (upon retirement)
Annual banking of $12,000 Variable Supplement Fund after 22 years of service (if not retiring)
Excellent promotional opportunities
Educational opportunities
Additional benefits are available to military personnel.


http://www.nypdrecruit.com/#benefits



now stop just cherry picking numbers and then claiming you're correct.
Of course it seems most of your gripe is that people are proving over and over that the hero cop is just a myth
very few are actual heroes.

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Response to puffy socks (Reply #140)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 11:22 AM

142. That's the total budget, dear.

 

It includes far more that just officer salaries and benefits.

But feel free to keep spouting crap. It's not worth my time.

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Response to B2G (Reply #142)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 11:27 AM

143. I listed their

 

individual salaries as well as the entire budget sweetie
Truth isnt worth your time? That figures.
Keep defending the thugs in blue and blanketing them in hero worship


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Response to puffy socks (Reply #143)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 03:24 PM

146. Wait..

Are you seriously accusing this poster of "hero worship" simply because they disagreed with your post?

No wonder it's getting harder and harder to have a conversation here on DU with these kind of blanket and quite frankly insulting insinuations. This makes DU suck.

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Response to B2G (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 03:44 PM

149. No. that is how cops see it.

 

This is how most see it if they are being truthful. Cops ride up on a child playing in the park with toy kills kid within seconds. INNOCENT. 7 8 or 9 cops strangle and choke man to death on camera because he is selling cigarettes. INNOCENT. Cop shoots and kills man over broken tail light . INNOCENT. Florida,Baton,Texas wherever .INNOCENT. These are only the ones that a lot of the public know about. This has been going on forever.

I remember hearing about murders over the years and we knew they were cops. The problem with the cops is they protect the guilty. We see it right in front of our eyes all over the world and they tell us there needs to be an investigation and let justice take its course,the problem is it is JUST-US!

Who will be doing the investigations?Who will taking care of JUSTICE..Some of the cops or former cops who are in on the cover. The cops say the guys who shot cops weren't playing buy the rules. Were the cops who shot Castille,Garner,Rice,Bland,Sterling,etc,etc playing by the rules? Who makes the rules and are those rules valid or correct. I have empathy and sympathy for the cops who died but we don't seem to see it coming in the other direction.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 07:58 PM

3. Huge K&R

White men kill, it's just them, they're troubled, they have mental health issues, lone wolf, etc.

Black men kill and there's a race war going on, black people collectively are a problem.

That is absolutely what's going on.

I vote for too many guns and maybe PTSD given that they're both ex-military?

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Response to gollygee (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:02 PM

8. I wonder about the ptsd

 

Most of the killers are very into guns... I think we need to maybe not let so many guns flow. And help out vets out better when they come back home. They need more support.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:12 PM

13. And when those white men kill Black folks ...

 

and SAY their reason for doing so is to start a race war (e.g., Dylan Roof) ... they still are lone wolves with mental health issues.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:18 PM

17. Yes indeed!

Even when he specifically said that, people said that, and he seemed to be treated with kid gloves by the police.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:59 PM

75. Agree white people done get judged as being

Like the worst among them while at the same time you get a lot of them judging other groups by the worst among them.

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Response to treestar (Reply #75)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 03:31 PM

147. This ^^^^^^^^

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:05 PM

84. Good point. I still get chills remembering that hearing where family forgave him

I know that was extreme goodness; unexpected and holy.

The contrast with the way police react when tragedy visits them is quite extraordinary. It is as odd as if Roof's victims' families stood up and declared it was the beginning of a race war.

Worlds apart.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:50 PM

102. That's because Race War for white people is like Class War for the rich..

It's only a problem when the 'lessers' call it what it really is. Otherwise, that's called The Status Quo.

My solution would be to remove sidearms from all police officers for a given period of time, say 5 years. You can have all the firearms you want IN THE CAR, but not on your person. Teach them to DE-esclate FIRST, by hook or crook. I would also give the ones who don't quit because of it a substantial pay raise, because it shows that they're serious about taking their job seriously and willing to do what is necessary as servants of the Public Trust. That does count for a lot.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 11:56 PM

107. +1

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 07:59 PM

4. That does seem to be the overall narrative

Cop murders black person, media (social and otherwise) goes crazy looking for reasons to blame the shooting on the victim.

Cop gets murdered the world goes insane, all cops are lauded as heroic and good. And, as a bonus, they now have an excuse to be increasingly brutal.

I don't get it. It is horrible.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:02 PM

9. It's very scary

 

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:10 PM

11. On target as usual.

Especially:

Collective punishment of the African American community has been going on forever. We are all to blame for what any one black person does, our community is told that it is all of our fault when one of us snaps. That is wrong and it is how white supremacy flourishes.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:20 PM

18. Thank you, G

 

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:12 PM

12. There is no race war. A tiny minority of Americans commit any sort of murder, let alone

 

a racially motivated murder.

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Response to Vattel (Reply #12)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:53 PM

35. You hoestly think there is no race war

Really?

==== mind blown

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Response to Coolest Ranger (Reply #35)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:54 PM

37. We been dealing with folks making war on blacks since they stole us

 

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Response to Vattel (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 10:08 AM

132. white supremacist american culture

 

has been making war upon black people since creating the slaveery/segregationist system to increase the profits of a few who are multi-millionaires and billionaires today. These tatted nazi types today are the perfect foils to create hate and division and are their foot soldiers today keeping the eyes of the world away from the reality of the racist underbelly that america has always filled with the blood and bodies of all PoC.

Their continued economic dominance and greed in the shadows continues to keep most americans, black and white, in a miserly and hard struggling existence. Nothing is said about this fact among others in our media. Yet black people start demonstrating our anger against the murders and execution of men, women and CHILDREN in protest groups like BLM, all of the sudden it's a race war.

This is the typical MO of a racist americans culture which is to distract, diminish and divert attention away from the generations long war on black people that has been perpetuated by racist in america, to keep their dominant positions, while using the easily swayed and agitated nazis as their foot soldiers to do their bidding in keeping a crisis in race relations continued. The wolves have always been in the chicken house killing and maiming indiscriminitely but the attention has always been been diverted to too many chickens as the problem.

I am not surprised that the people advising Trump, deep within their ranks, are continuously looking for ways to agitate and scare the good white people out of their socks and into their movement to make america white again, in the truest historical context.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:14 PM

14. So true.

The situation is absurd.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:16 PM

16. Today we had a black cop killed, all the killing needs to stop, it is a sad day when we lose so many

lives in the US due to gun violence, every death or injury is bad.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #16)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:22 PM

19. Yes, this killing needs to stop

 

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:35 PM

20. Some people want to believe it,

they rush to push the message out to demonize all black people.

I agree that too many guns readily available are a huge part of the problem. But I believe that making this a racial issue, even better, a really scary war, makes it easier to ignore the elephant in the room.

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Response to brer cat (Reply #20)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:37 PM

21. I agree

 

It is a way to ignore the race problem we have in this nation

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:37 PM

22. It's sickening to see how people are blaming black lives matter

because of these two incidents, yet these white supremacist groups that we know for a fact have infiltrated police departments they never get blamed when unarmed black people are executed at will. There is double standard in this country and it's as always the big elephant in the room.

I am not condoning what happened today in Baton Rouge, but it certainly pales in comparison to what has happened to young black men and women over the course of history.

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Response to zz-la (Reply #22)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:39 PM

23. I agree

 

If they can convince everybody that we deserve it, then nothing ever has to be done to fix white supremacy

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Response to bravenak (Reply #23)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:41 PM

25. Yes exactly right

And that is exactly the sentiment that so many people seem to share. Just sick.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #23)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:29 PM

64. Exactly

that's what's so infuriating about this.

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Response to zz-la (Reply #22)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:52 PM

34. People generally hate the KKK and other white power groups. Nobody makes excuses for them

 

I mean, look at the cop who was killed in Dallas. He was called out, as he should be, because of his tattoos and past connections.

BLM is looked at, by most sane people, as the good guys. But their rhetoric needs to change (What do we want? Dead cops...that can't continue to be a protest slogan.)

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Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #34)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:58 PM

44. That cop in Dallas was exposed by members of DU

To my knowledge no main stream news outlet has posted anything about his past. Again to my knowledge, if I am wrong then fine I would like to see those news stories. Yet we have main stream news outlets like Fox News and Criss Wallace blaming Black Lives Matter for this shooting in Baton Rouge. Do you not think there is a double standard in general when a white person guns down a cop versus when a POC?

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Response to zz-la (Reply #44)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 01:04 AM

110. Please repeat it for me! Thanks

 

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Response to Jim Beard (Reply #110)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 03:26 AM

111. There were several, here is the one I saw.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:41 PM

24. It doesn't look good either way.

Two wrongs aren't making a right.

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Response to Chicago1980 (Reply #24)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:46 PM

27. And all wrongs done to us without recourse is why folks snap

 

We must have justice. Can't give the impresion murder is only wrong when black kill, but perfectly legal and right when black are killed by cops. I am not surprised to see people snap. Now, when are we going to solve the problem rather than telling blacks to sit down and take the abuse because 'two wrongs don't make a right'? When are we going to fix white supremacy so that we can stop having cops murder us, and having ex millitary black men snap and murder who they see to be our violent oppressors?

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Response to bravenak (Reply #27)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:57 PM

39. This isn't justice.

I'm black, so I'm very well aware.

It's a lousy excuse to have.

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Response to Chicago1980 (Reply #39)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:11 PM

53. I never said THIS was justice

 

Just that we must have justice to prevent people from thinking that cops killing us is acceptable. These soldiers snapped. They were trained by our millitary to kill effectively. If those soldiers feel like the police are at war with people who look like them and they get away with it scott free, what is to stop them from snapping beside justice.
We have to stop letting them go free. We need justice. We don't need more killing or blaming of the black community for anything one black person does.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #53)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:15 PM

57. Attitudes in general need to change.

'Snapping' doesn't help the situation, it's only raised tensions.

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Response to Chicago1980 (Reply #57)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:24 PM

60. Snapping happens when folks have no recourse. Give people recourse to hold killer cops accountable

 

Help our vets. Do something about guns. Stop letting cops back on the streets after they kill unarmed civilians. Maybe a few hundred years of not systematically killing black will help them not snap.

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Response to Chicago1980 (Reply #57)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 10:24 AM

134. the attitude

 

that everyone BUT people of European stock are of an inferior race is the attitude/ideology that needs changing.

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Response to Chicago1980 (Reply #24)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:56 PM

38. So we are supposed

to forget all the bad things done to us. We're supposed to forget that we were dragged from our homeland, forced to come to a strange land, forced to serve people by taking care of them, taking care of their loud kids, raising their loud kids. We are supposed to forget that not to long ago we couldn't even go into specific bathrooms, we couldn't eat in places without getting our behinds whipped.

We had to fight for our right to vote, we had to fight to go to the schools of our choices and we're supposed to forget all of that.

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Response to Coolest Ranger (Reply #38)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:59 PM

45. Who's saying forget?

Yes, we've had to fight, and fighting this way was never the answer.

One of the cops killed today was black, so don't give me the song and dance.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:45 PM

26. I'll tell you what's insane

 

that you believe that black people are "systematically" killed by the police.

If you have evidence that there is a of fixed plan to kill black people in the U.S. you need to show it to people.

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Response to Boudica the Lyoness (Reply #26)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:48 PM

29. It started in the middle passage and has continued to this day

 

Theevidence is in the centuries of lynchings and the kkk having been a large part of law enforcement in this nation since they were the patterollers for the plantation masters. If you cannot see the white supremacy in the USA, i have a coupon for two free sets of glasses from my local eye doctor. I am willing to part with them.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #29)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:55 PM

72. Patty Rollers were not systematically killing other people's 'property'.

 

No Bravenak, I don't need your glasses. I raised two sons to adulthood (now middle-age) of two different colors, but the same human race. Both were treated equally and fairly in and by the United States of America. As a very good mother, I would have been outraged if one of my sons had been treated poorly because of the color of his skin.

Race relations in this country are the worse they have been since I have lived here, which is 45 years. I have never seen anything like it. The race baiters are reasonable for deaths. And it will get worse.

White Supremacy?

No greater injury can be done to any youth than to let him feel that because he belongs to this or that race he will be advanced in life regardless of his own merits or efforts. Booker T. Washington

There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. Booker T. Washington

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Response to Boudica the Lyoness (Reply #72)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:01 PM

79. WTH is a race baiter?

 

You've lived here 45 years and this is the worst you have seen? Wow.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #79)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:04 PM

82. Yes. You would think I'd have been exposed to some shit considering the life I've lived, who I've

 

lived with, who I've raised.

This is BAD. and it's the race baiters whom are making it bad. It's going to be awful, mark my words.

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Response to Boudica the Lyoness (Reply #82)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:09 PM

87. Who are these race baiters?

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #87)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:11 PM

89. I want to know that, too.

 

The poster didn't answer that part.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #89)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:12 PM

90. Very convienient for them to ignore that

 

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Response to Boudica the Lyoness (Reply #72)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:06 PM

86. Yes they were. Pattrollers killed 'property' all the time

 

Just the fact that you called my ancestors 'property' shows just how deeply ingrained white supremacy is in the modern world. Using desesitized language like 'property' to refer to abused and oppressed HUMAN BEINGS is a part of the way the systematic abuse and murder proliferates. Rather than referring to those humans as humans, you chose to refer to them as chattel, a way of dehumanizing their importance a human beings while putting emphasis on the fact that there were merely 'things' owned by some important white person.
While all humans may be of the same origin, not all humans are treated the same, because of skin color.
Yes. The race baiters who dehumanize blacks and attempt to sell a narrative that the problems are all the fault of those loud blacks who refuse to move on and accept their lower worth and value and status as human beings are certainly the 'race baiters' who cause all of this death and these trials and tribulations.

From the time we were stolen, beaten and enslaved, this nation has owed a debt to the black human that it refuses to pay. Rather than pay the bill, they blame the server for asking to be paid. Had this nation given us equality from it's inception, we'd not have these problems this day.

It is not the black who cries out for justice and reparations that is wrong. It is this nation that allowed such injustice for so long to run unchecked that we stand here at this place this day that is wrong.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #112)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 05:29 AM

114. Enjoy your brief stay.

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Response to edbermac (Reply #114)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 05:36 AM

117. Sorry you had to see that.

He's gone.

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #117)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 05:41 AM

118. Not at all, got to nuke him on a jury

I'm sure his sock will be back, albeit briefly.

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Response to edbermac (Reply #118)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 05:58 AM

119. MIRT sent him on his way for good

And we're watching just in case he decides to come back.

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Response to Boudica the Lyoness (Reply #26)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:57 PM

40. The fact your on here

begging us to prove it to you right there is the problem

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Response to Coolest Ranger (Reply #40)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:55 PM

74. That was uncalled for.

 

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Response to Boudica the Lyoness (Reply #74)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 07:46 AM

120. No it wasn't

and I'm blocking you because you are the problem

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Response to Boudica the Lyoness (Reply #26)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:34 PM

65. I see your sporting the union jack....

perhaps you do not understand he systemic issues the role slavery played in our formation and success.

perhaps you should defer to bravenak and the rest of us who chose to leave that flag behind....

it was late 1860's we finally abolished slavery and it took almost another hundred years for interracial marriage to be accepted.....

It your reply to bravenak that gets at the very point of "systematic"

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Response to calm_thinker (Reply #65)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:00 PM

78. Please see my post above.

 

I'm not the trouble maker or race baiter in all of this. And certainly not the ignorant one. I married a black man soon after the Virginia v Loving. I'm in touch still with the Loving family.

Look up William Wilberforce.

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Response to Boudica the Lyoness (Reply #78)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:09 PM

88. Just hold on a minute.

 

First, please define race baiter.

Second, you are you inferring is being a trouble maker or ignorant?

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Response to Boudica the Lyoness (Reply #78)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:21 PM

93. Who is a trouble maker and race baiter?

 

And what does you being married to a black man have to do with anything? I am black and married to a black with black kids. His mom is white and STILL has issues with race to this day. My mom married white and boy oh boy does ol' pops have his issues with black folks. Being married to a black person does not automatically imbue one with racial awareness.

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Response to Boudica the Lyoness (Reply #26)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:41 PM

68. wow

 

I must ask... Do you live in the United States? Do you know what goes on here?

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Response to philosslayer (Reply #68)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:01 PM

80. Please see my posts above.

 

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Response to Boudica the Lyoness (Reply #80)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:22 PM

95. Then you should be well aware...

 

That there is a systematic effort, by law enforcement, to harass, injure, and sometimes kill people of color when they "step out of line". Its been going on for centuries, and is intensifying. People of color are killed every day by police in the United States. There is no greater threat to a person of color in the United States than an armed law enforcement officer.

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Response to Boudica the Lyoness (Reply #26)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 10:31 AM

135. was slavery systematic?

 

yes. Was segregation of races in all areas of american life systematic? yes. Is racism systemic and institutionalized in american culture? yes. Were/are the hangings and beatings of PoC systematic ? yes. History is evidence enough. Trump and his chumps are evidence of a system that is poisoned by racism. I hope....ahhh never mind.

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Response to Boudica the Lyoness (Reply #26)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 05:09 PM

150. Systematic injustice by the "justice" system isn't enough? The killing doesn't have to rise to the..

... level of systematic just a process of recourse that's been systematic against PoC and that's been well.... well. documented.


Hell, even police chiefs will admit that 1 or 2% of cops do some fucked up things...


But if there's a system that doesn't address those fucked up things then that's injustice by itself

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:49 PM

30. we are greater than ( us vs them )

always....

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Response to calm_thinker (Reply #30)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:49 PM

31. We never have been once

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #31)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:57 PM

41. I meant "We" in the most broadest sense...

like We as humans, or We the people, or we as in the 99%

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Response to calm_thinker (Reply #41)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:36 PM

67. I wish we were

 

Still evolving I think

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:52 PM

33. K&R!!!!!

Great post!

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:57 PM

42. Thank You

You are so right. WTF? Also it's BLM's fault and President Obama's and Leroy the wino's fault. I know white people kill on a mass scale, is it time to call all white folks dangerous? NO!! So it should be the same for black people

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Response to rbrnmw (Reply #42)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:16 PM

58. It should be the same

 

But they are so used to getting a pat on the head when they point fingers at us.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #58)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:17 PM

59. I know that's right!!!

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:59 PM

46. The GOP has been trying to start a race war for a long time, Foxnews is at the forefront

 

trying to incite folks into violence against each other. Never did I think I would live to see the day a 'news channel' could literally be a digital KKK on cable TV. I was wrong.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:05 PM

50. I am tired at trying to explain

to people how we're being treated by cops. No matter what you tell them we're treated like we don't know what the hell we're talking about.

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Response to Coolest Ranger (Reply #50)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:15 PM

56. They really think we should deal with it silently and it upsets them that it will never happen

 

This is the new reality. Black folks complaining will not end until we get justice. They can get used to it just like we got used to white supremacy

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Response to Coolest Ranger (Reply #50)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:26 PM

62. I hate to say this, but most people have to have something personal happen to them before they

 

become 'aware' of a situation.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:09 PM

51. Whites with guns = patriots; blacks with guns = armed thugs...

In times of civil upheaval, blacks "loot," while whites "find food."

The sickness runs deep.

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Response to VOX (Reply #51)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:13 PM

54. Katrina...

 

I cried for days during Katrina

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Response to bravenak (Reply #54)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:29 PM

63. That was horrible. I remember that well...black people 'loot', white people 'find'.

 


BUT HEY THERE ARE NO RACE PROBLEMS IN AMERICA. NOPE.

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Response to Rex (Reply #63)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:34 PM

66. Crazy

 

I remember cops killing folks then too. Murder

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Response to Rex (Reply #63)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:00 PM

76. Racism on glaring display.

This was a shameful moment in American history.

What's even more shameful though, is that this was just the moment the nation saw, and it represents not moments, but months and years and decades of racism that is unseen or ignored - before Katrina, and since.

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Response to Rex (Reply #63)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 10:34 AM

136. It is deliberate

and it is institutional

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Response to bravenak (Reply #54)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:18 PM

91. So did I

It was a human rights crime. People were treated like herds. I was so angry.

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Response to rbrnmw (Reply #91)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:22 PM

94. It sure was. That why I cant hate Kanye. He said it right.

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #94)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:27 PM

96. I was amening Kanye that night

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Response to rbrnmw (Reply #96)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:28 PM

98. Me TOO!!!!

 

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:48 PM

69. K and r

It is amazing how the media twists itself around.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:53 PM

70. The whole idea of a race war

Fits well with Trump's 'law and order' meme.

Republicans stand to benefit from this kind of hyping. And therefore Fox runs with it. The fact that it is incendiary is either of no concern to them - or is actually considered a benefit.

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Response to Chemisse (Reply #70)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:55 PM

73. Fox needs it to be real so they can feed their viewers more hate

 

I wish they would just go away

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:00 PM

77. In my community, Birmingham AL

We have many black cops, our Mayor is black, our Police Chief is black, out city council is a majority black. Yet we still have a high crime rate....however, we don't have white cops gunning down black men. So I'm not sure I'm seeing the race war you're seeing....all I'm seeing is a giant clusterf*ck.

I hate that black men are getting killed by white cops. I honestly don't know the answer to what is happening. I hate seeing an African American being gunned down just because of skin color. However, I hate seeing cops getting killed simply because they chose that profession. My dad was a cop for number of years before I was born, thankfully he's still around at 85.

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:03 PM

81. For once I agree with you Now if you can just get off that all whites racist sui generis bandwagon

then I can agree with you more in the future

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:05 PM

83. Yes it is insane, and the media can go to hell

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:05 PM

85. +1000

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:27 PM

97. These white people thought they were resisting tyranny:



Watch the good guy with a gun get murdered by a bad woman with a gun. Sexism can get you killed.

And these people of different races are just plain evil:



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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #97)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:37 PM

100. That first video was crazy as hell

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #100)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 11:49 PM

106. The 3 good guys with guns were the only victims

and what is crazy as hell is that people can get killed by their own misguided belief that a certain demographic of person is not going to kill them.

There are people with guns everywhere. We don't know which of them are contemplating murder right now. But people severely underestimate the danger of some types of people and overestimate the danger of others.


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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:30 PM

99. Good post..

and, yes, it's time for solutions. Too many guns, too much killing. Time to fix that.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #99)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:39 PM

101. Guns are just too damn easy to get and use

 

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:56 PM

103. Largely white hate groups

Have ambushed cops for years. Hell, white people were pointing guns at federal.leos and fox news made them hero's. White mainstream Republican political leaders called for 2nd amendment remedies and people actually voted for them.
Blm has been a civil rights movement that is addressing racism.

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Response to gwheezie (Reply #103)

Sun Jul 17, 2016, 11:58 PM

108. +1

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Response to gwheezie (Reply #103)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 12:05 AM

109. Very true

 

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Response to Name removed (Reply #115)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 05:31 AM

116. Goodbye troll

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Response to bravenak (Original post)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 07:49 AM

121. Kick for truth

Sadly, the people throwing out the term "race war" everywhere are typically the same ones who want it to happen so they can politically exploit the situation, and worse...

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Mon Jul 18, 2016, 09:07 AM

123. true, without a fault

 

in this short, succinct summation of what white american culture has always done. Hell a majority of all hangings were based on rumor and innuendo and in a lot of cases any Poc, man woman or child would do for the sacriface upon the altar of white hate and supremacy.

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Mon Jul 18, 2016, 09:45 AM

127. The race war never ended

From Slavery to the KKK to segragation to overpolicing and police brutality. The new battle is the media. For the last few decades anytime a AA has been killed by Police the media brings up all their past arrests and crimes as if that has anything to do with why they were murdered.

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Mon Jul 18, 2016, 09:49 AM

129. k&r

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Mon Jul 18, 2016, 10:37 AM

137. There is a difference between a shooting that occurs in course of a police interaction

 

and a deliberate ambush of police officers. If a cop misperceives a threat level and uses force when objectively he or she shouldn't have in a police encounter, that is very different from intentionally ambushing police officers. In most of these police shootings, it is about them misperceiving threat levels and going to fast to deadly force, but I'm sure most didn't go to work that day intending to kill anyone of any race. Cops aren't out there deliberately hunting people like these ambushers are. Let's be fair. The dynamics and circumstances of the two situations are completely different.


I do completely agree that the bad actions of those black people who ambushed those cops shouldn't be an attack against all black people, and this should not be called a race war. That is race baiting.

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Mon Jul 18, 2016, 11:42 AM

144. Erin Burnett was pushing the"Black men are killing cops now" theme...

in fact, she actually said it while questioning a panel of folks yesterday. A few of them shut her down right away. Basically saying that crap like that is the problem. She looked surprised.

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Mon Jul 18, 2016, 02:46 PM

145. Exactly

I am so fucking tired of this shit.
Another ironic meme;

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #145)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 03:40 PM

148. From n2doc's toon's thread:



Love his tee-shirt.

More toons here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028022358


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