As a Clevelander I am reading some scary things being said...by DU members

[titaniumsalute]

I have seen a number of posts talking about hoping the RNC is a "trainwreck," that they hope the gun nuts "reap what they sow," and one person even said "if there is bloodshed than good."

While I hope the most disorganized, shitty RNC takes place and is embarrassingly painful for the GOP and Drumpf, I really do NOT hope for any bloodshed. I have friends who are Cleveland and other City Cops who are on duty this week. I have friends who live and work in downtown Cleveland.

I know it is easy to want the right wing nuts to look bad...but personally I don't want bloodshed and neither should any of you.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. Absolutely right.

I have friends in Cleveland, and I echo your sentiments.

We are, or should be, better than that.

[titaniumsalute]

2. Amen

[tonyt53]

40. I'm standing with you guys.

[Scarsdale]

62. I agree

Innocent people always end up being the victims. The police officers. and their families must be dreading this coming fiasco of a "Celebration" People worldwide are in shock that an insane clown such as tRump is the nominee. What a coup for the republican party!! I think many of the representatives are not attending because of the fear of an all out battle. The racists certainly have been riled up.

[TheBlackAdder]

91. It seems like Ohio was OK with Open Carry until the New Black Panthers said they'll Open Carry too!

[suffragette]

102. "We are, or should be, better than that."

Absolutely agree.

[bravenak]

3. While I do hope for a wacky trainwreck of a convention

Violence is the opposite of what I want. I want to laugh at them not cry about killings again. Tired of the killing.

[chillfactor]

16. I plan...

on laughing for 4 days.... and I am looking forward to your posts.

[bravenak]

19. I plan on doing a bunch of loling

I wish it were here already

[sheshe2]

23. +1000

[bravenak]

26. .

[tammywammy]

34. +1 n/t

[underahedgerow]

45. Hey, with Chachi and the Duck Dynasty actors headlining, it should be brilliant! Stars, they are

indeed. Stellar is the word that comes to mind.

Laughter and tears are sure to be a YOOOOOOJE part of the goings on, for sure.

[bravenak]

47. It's like a roast where the stars don't realize they're being laughed at

[rbrnmw]

83. It will be better than Clint and his empty chair

[Surya Gayatri]

61. ^^^AMEN to this!^^^

Ridicule and mockery are the best weapons. We must use them LIBERALLY.

[treestar]

72. +1

It is going to be a convention of fools.

[LongtimeAZDem]

4. +1 (nt)

[bdwker]

5. I agree.

I wish I could protest.

Are you going to any of the protests ?

Send pictures.

[titaniumsalute]

6. I'm actually on vacation in San Diego

We get back on Wednesday night very late. Maybe Thursday. If I do I will post pics for sure!

[zz-la]

7. Agree

I am hoping the GOPers shoot themselves in the foot, but only figuratively of course.

[Lisa0825]

8. I have not seen those posts, but I think they should be alerted on. nt

[sarisataka]

15. I have been on a jury

For a post hoping for many death. Apparently I was in the minority, the post still stands

[KingCharlemagne]

44. Link to the post? - nt

[sarisataka]

52. You can find it

in this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141521926

[treestar]

73. train wreck, fireball of failure

that is the type comment a poster "chose" to take as wishing bloodshed.

[ronnie624]

82. Promoting a false equivalence.

Essentially saying there is little difference between liberals and conservatives. You just have to hope most here will look at the evidence and draw a rational conclusion.

[kcr]

101. Well, maybe you should link it because I can't find it n/t

[sarisataka]

103. I do not do call outs

But you should look harder. There is more than one there that indicates they would not be unhappy if the convention ended in gunfire.

[PJMcK]

65. Me, too

I was surprised when that post was left to stand.

Hard to believe from our side, isn't it, sarisataka?

[sarisataka]

76. Shameful

Is what it is.

[Texasgal]

9. I certainly do not!

I hope the convention goes well without violence.

[drray23]

10. i do hope its a trainwreck.

Of course I do not wish any of the other things like violence.

[UnFettered]

11. I totally understand

Nobody should wish for any violence it only further separates us all. Having had tragedies in my community the past two weeks. I hope all goes well for you Clevelanders.

[titaniumsalute]

12. Agreed

[nolabear]

13. I'm with you. Innocent people and protesters and even gun nuts deserve to live.

I don't want to hear prayers and thoughts and wishes and vibes one more time. I want PEACE! And a really lousy convention.

[Rex]

14. You cannot take much here very seriously, have a lot of salt ready.

People are venting, perfectly normal reaction. Do they really want a bloodbath? No, of course not. That is called hyperbole.

[titaniumsalute]

20. I get it. I'm no saint and I have said stupid things on DU. Of course I was also called out on them

But when you know wives and kids of Cleveland Cops it hits a little close to home.

[Rex]

22. I know the cops in this small town, I would be devastated if something happened to any of them.

I hear ya loud and clear, just to keep by blood pressure down I've learned to seek out great conversation and avoid the crap talk as much as possible. Doesn't mean I don't get into it every now and then, but I am tame by DU1 and DU2 standards.

Just not worth the stress imo.

[titaniumsalute]

24. Agreed

I don't have a lot of posts but I've been around DU since 2002. Had to cancel an account and redo at one point. But I see a lot more vitriol now than I used to on here.

[Rex]

25. So much more, it seems to be hostile here and before it was not imo.

I agree 100% watched the same thing over the years.

[sarisataka]

17. Some people's commitment

To peace and Justice is very shallow. Were they to ever objectively look in the mirror they would see they are more akin to those they hate.

[bucolic_frolic]

18. I hope global warming visits Cleveland and the Climate Deniers this week

Fry, Baby, Fry!

[titaniumsalute]

21. It is. We get home from vacation this week and I see 90 Thursday, 96 Friday and 95 Saturday. UGG!

[liberal N proud]

35. It's going to be hot in Cleveland this week...

At least by Cleveland standards. For Clevelanders, anything over 85 is extreme according to the weather reporters and most that lived here their entire life.

[awoke_in_2003]

49. 90 in Cleveland

Is more miserable than 105 in Fort Worth

[liberal N proud]

64. Living here for 16 years, I will go out and enjoy the 1 or 2 90 degree days

Miss those long hot stretches of 100+ heat we had living in Missouri. Where the humidity is high as it is in Cleveland, but its not 75 degrees with 80 percent humidity. That is when I find it sufferable. Cool enough to open windows but yucky sticky. Everything you touch is just yuck

[creoledna]

27. One however wonders "what will it take?"

Is escalating gun violence going to need 100 thousand senseless killings or maybe a million to get everyone in agreement to pay and do what is necessary to make this stop?
Video hasn't been enough.
Live coverage on TV hasn't been enough.
Killing Children hasn't been enough.
Killing law enforcement hasn't been enough.

In the meantime, please vote for those seeking peacefull solitons.

[Feeling the Bern]

28. If there is violence, I hope it's a full on civil war in the RNC that shows the world

exactly what they are. I am hoping for fist fights, name calling. . .similar to the 1938 German American Bund convention in MSG. Show it to the world just what the GOP is and what Donnie Douchebag's supporters are. Thugs!

[63splitwindow]

33. Yep. Remember that a favorite quote of the RW scumnuts when they don't get their way is...

" The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. " If that implied threat is their real desire then I have no concern whatsoever for what happens to them. The last thing I want is any injury to anyone else.

[Chemisse]

29. I have joked about letting them all open carry, etc.

Many of us have, in the weeks leading up to this.

But the time is near. It's getting real. It's time to stop with the jokes, and seriously hope that nobody gets hurt in Cleveland this week.

Thanks for the reminder.

[Warpy]

30. Given the number of GOP gun nuts who will want to wave their guns around

outside the venue, I'll issue a heartfelt plea once again: PROTESTERS, STAY HOME!

Those pieces of shit are spoiling for a fight already and will be pumped up by Drumpf and probably alcohol. I can see nothing but disaster facing any protesters, the city and law enforcement, and eventually our country.

Violence is not our friend. It is very likely to happen if people insist on going there, whether or not they pledge to be peaceful. We know they haven't made such a pledge, ever.

[Initech]

31. No! The last thing we need is guns fired!!

Will there be a riot? Probably. Will it be a complete shit show? Absolutely! Will there be guns fired? I think that's the last thing anybody wants.

[90-percent]

32. violence is the new normal

the rate of mass murders and police killings and racist murdering cops, etc. Think of recent history. Think of the protests of about the last fifteen years - the militarized police treating innocent american people with eardrum blasting machines, pepper spray rubber bullets and other forms of police brutaily arrests, lives ruined with bad record for being a good citizen

then think of a large gathering of people fueled by trumps racist hatred. more murders or lynching of minorities or vise versa.
more law and order and i'll protect you. this treacherous cretin could win and usher the 21st century dark ages.

I'm fearful and also infuriated that our democracy had been nullied.

-90% Jimmy

[liberal N proud]

36. Not hoping for violence but I do fear it is likely

Given the groups involved and the rhetoric that we have heard, it will be deadly, I fear.

We will hope not!

[IronLionZion]

37. I suggest our people steer clear of the convention

as much as possible, just in case. Of course I don't want bad things to happen to anyone. Considering the violence already seen at Trump rallies encouraged by the Bankrupter himself, it is a strong possibility.

Be safe out there.

[roamer65]

38. I hope for a political trainwreck.

No way would I want to see any actual physical violence. I hope it is a safe experience for all.

[IrishEyes]

39. I'm sorry.

I have said that it will be a train wreck. I don't mean that I think that there will be violence. I really hope and pray that no one gets hurt. I just think it will be an embarrassment to the Republican party. It will be a disorganized mess with terrible speakers.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

41. If a post wishes/advocates violence, I say Alert it. I don't think violence is a DU value. . . . nt

[Iggo]

42. Meta!

[Hekate]

43. KnR

[YOHABLO]

46. I think it's going to be a real bore.

[mrmpa]

48. If there is any violence..........

it will be orchestrated by the repugs.

Historical example of this: The German Reichstag Fire, that Hitler and the party blamed on Jews, but which Hitler & his cronies actually executed.

[7962]

66. But look how many have publicly stated their intent to "shut down the convention"

there's no way to do that peacefully. Those arent GOP "plants"
If there are violent confrontations I'm going to lay it at the feet of whoever is responsible.
Because it will just play right into the hands of trump

[raven mad]

50. I don't judge, ever.

It's scary now, reminds me of 1968. We'll do it again - make it right, that's what Democrats do.

[Silver_Witch]

51. I gave been shocked by the hate here on many levels.

[AgingAmerican]

53. It's gonna be a mess

Probably inside and outside the venue. Hopefully things don't get too stupid.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

54. I'm anticipate it will go down like it did when Daddy Bush lost....

Moderates will be booed off the stage.

Back then they wanted to ban abortion and make homosexuality a crime punished by death.

[MFM008]

55. They will look bad enough

without violence.

[DonCoquixote]

56. If a place like my Tampa can endure it

Cleveland, a solidly liberal city, can do so.

I will offer one warning. The GOP is famous for stiffing hotels and trying to discourage people from using non approved venues. Tampa for example, is famous for it's cigar bars, but they tried to move people to a "cigar tent" that was literally in a vacant part of downtown, as opposed to Ybor, which is the nightclub area. Expect to hear a lot of "why didn't the convention bring prsoperity to local business" articles, as well as "GOP Hotel bill not paid."

That bring said, however Gun loving Ohio may be, Florida is far far worse.

[Warren DeMontague]

57. All you need for it to be a trainwreck, is the lineup and the agenda.

I agree, i strenuously hope for no violence.

I do expect boxcars full of suck, however.

[Lunabell]

58. Geeze, I hope there's no real bloodshed.

Only figuratively as they figuratively go for each others' throats.

[Skittles]

59. hoping all will be safe in Cleveland

yes indeed

[BlueMTexpat]

60. I am sure that the convention

WILL be a trainwreck.

But I do not want anyone anywhere - especially the innocent people in Cleveland who have had this convention foisted upon them - to be harmed in any way.

[marble falls]

63. Cleveland is my home town. And I've been thinking about the stuff I read yesterday, thankyou for....

for saying what I haven't been able to put the words together to say myself.

Why would anyone wish violence - gun violence - on anyone????

[DemonGoddess]

67. K&R!

I really DO hope their convention is a trainwreck, but in the "oh my god you didn't really say that" kind of way, not any other.

The protesters have the RIGHT to exercise their first amendment rights, but peacefully.

What scares me is open carry. I hope that they don't fan the flames of hate so high inside the convention that some ass outside the convention takes it as a license to open fire on any who disagree with them, such as the protesters. Then you have the cops outside who will be protecting the protesters, who end up in yet another gun fight. It's the stuff of nightmares.

Kasich is a coward. Why won't he make an executive order to temporarily suspend open carry for the duration of the convention?

[TNNurse]

68. No sane person wishes for violence.

I do not want anyone shot/beatup/ or injured in any way.

I want gaffes, idiotic quotes, embarrassing events/words/ignorant errors. I want long pauses because of bad organization, I want them to look like the unorganized buffoons I believe them to be.

BUT MOST OF ALL.....I WANT THEM TO LOSE.

[Capt. Obvious]

69. Believeland just isn't the same not that Cleveland won something

[FailureToCommunicate]

70. I worry about a repeat of Chicago '68 in the streets

not the inside mess. I do hope the inside is a chaotic mess for the voters to see. But violence in the streets-whether by legitimate protestors or by instigators would look to the average viewer like maybe we need us some law and order president. We got Nixon in '68. I pray history doesn't repeat itself this time.

[Bettie]

71. It will be a train wreck in the sense that

it will probably be so horrifying it will be hard to look away.

I, personally, hope there is no violence, but it should be entertaining to watch them tear each other apart (metaphorically).

Sadly, the possibility of violence is there, simply because they have activated the worst elements in their party.

[DashOneBravo]

74. Kick and rec

I've always wanted to see Wesr Side Market. My girlfriend is from there and always brings stuff back.

[Motley13]

75. I hear you

We should not speak & act like the repugs.
Deranged don spews enough hate & idiocy.


Thought for the day

It is never my custom to use words lightly. If twenty-seven years in prison have done anything to us, it was to use the silence of solitude to make us understand how precious words are and how real speech is in its impact on the way people live and die. -Nelson Mandela, activist, South African president, Nobel laureate (18 Jul 1918-2013)

[riversedge]

77. I read that some groups--open carrry -will NOT be bringing guns. Lets hope all have

clear heads and ALL stay safe.

The RNC platform is a disgrace--which should embarrass them but I know it will not.

[eppur_se_muova]

78. Someday, there will be an actual, physical trainwreck -- you know, one involving actual trains --

and people will look at the horrible mess and say "Wow, what a Republican National Convention that was !"

[MrModerate]

79. Sanity will win this election . . .

Not out-crazying Trump. Clinton knows this. We should all realize it too.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

80. Agreed.

[Tal Vez]

81. Those of us who were alive in 1968 have seen this before.

Like Nixon, Trump wants protesters. He wants chaos. He wants disorder. It plays right into his hands.

Trump's pitch is that the Democrats cannot maintain a civil society because Democrats are too weak to maintain order. So, people who want to help Trump get elected should show up at his convention and go crazy. That's what he wants.

If you want to beat Trump, just don't go to his convention. Prepare for November.

[Ilsa]

84. Killing doesn't solve problems. It creates them. NT

[Walk away]

85. It's my guess that there will be an enormous amount of security that will make it look...

as if Cleveland is under siege for the week. The constant talk of open carry and fear will give everyone a good eyeful of what this entire country will look like if open carry and Trumps policy of hate and fear should ever win out.

Hopefully, everyone will make it through the week safely but a lot wiser about the cost of the policy of destruction.

[Bucky]

86. I'm praying for the Republicans

I'm praying that none of the attendees at the Republican convention reap the consequences of the hatred and division they've been sowing. We have had enough violence. It's a contagion and it needs to be stopped. Only love can do that.

[Fla Dem]

87. Please know the very vast majority of DUer's DO NOT want violence in Cleveland.

You should alert if you come across any post advocating for violence. That's not who we are. I sincerely do hope the convention itself is a circus. Stay safe and I hope the repugs spend a lot of money in your city.

[hamsterjill]

88. There's been enough killing.

I don't want anything to happen at the convention that is even remotely seen as violent. Let the idiot Republicans make a mockery of themselves all BY themselves.

If they are left alone to do that - they will do that.

[Nitram]

89. Sorry, but it would be poetic justice and might even change their platform on the gun issue...

if there was a bloodbath at the convention. All those NRA open-carry supporters make the nation more dangerous for all of us. Let them experience the consequences of their political stance.

[MicaelS]

96. So you really want people to die?

Just because of their political beliefs? You are one warped individual. You sound just like some RW zealot. In other words you have become the thing you despise.

[Nitram]

99. Yeah I'm a monster and a right wing zealot. :-)

All I'm saying is that the right wing has made this country more dangerous by blocking all gun control regulation. If they suffer as a result, and it changes their minds, that's a good thing that will make the entire country safer. But, yeah, Mr Holier-Than-Thou, you just stay up there on your high horse and tell us how very moral you are. Good luck with that.

[Libby2]

90. Yes!

No more violence!

[DownriverDem]

92. Michigan State Police

There are 100 Michigan State Police officers in Cleveland to help keep order. All I care about is that the repubs look bad. And I hope nothing happens to make Obama, Hillary or the Dems look bad. Of course, we now know that Trump will blame them anyway.

[niyad]

93. I am just praying for LOTS of material for all the comedians and comedy writers.

we desperately need the laughs.

[lark]

94. I want embarassment, not bloodshed.

I won't be watching, heavens forbid, but I will be stalking the news for reports on what happened. I want to see Drumpf shown as the petty, thin skinned, egomaniacal, racist, misogynistic, narcisstic violence promoting asshole that he truly is. I want disfunction and stupidity on display. I hope Clinton really keeps up telling the truth about him this week, he won't be able to stand it and will explode.

[tenderfoot]

95. I feel bad for business owners.

Not because of violence but because most people will just avoid the city in general.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

97. Is peace and love obsolete?

That's how you win people over.

[Nitram]

110. Not obsolete, just a niche market.

[The Second Stone]

98. There are paid trolls on the internet. We are against rioting here at DU

and that should be obvious. We do not want bloodshed in Cleveland, and it is bizarre that people would post that who are not paid right wing trolls.

[beevul]

100. Some of the comments you refer to...

Some of the comments you refer to, are made by those who wish strict gun control, and crow on near endlessly about gun violence.


Interesting, that.

[mehrrh]

104. convention chaos

Of course -- they should not be surprised at chaos in the hall, but I also do NOT think any violence of any kind is ever the right answer.
Embarrassment, humiliation,shame -- the more the better -- but nothing more violent/

[billhicks76]

105. FOX News Responsible For All This Crap

[raven mad]

106. I've been through the train wreck that is the RNC a couple of times.

I will never dis the city they pulled their crap in. Cleveland is a very nice place - they treated us hippie bikers well, and some really good food. AND when it was raining, put us under the only covered spot in the campground.

I do weird from the ground up. Cleveland is very good people.

[ladym55]

107. I know some of the people downtown today protesting

Including someone who is probably one the most passionate, most outspoken advocates against gun violence I've ever met. Reports are that all is peaceful. The plan is to talk with as many media outlets as possible about progressive values and why we oppose Drumpf and Company. When the group posts more details, I will share them with everyone. I know that the anti-gun violence advocate was interviewed by a Chinese TV broadcaster--others spoke with the BBC and major US outlets.

I know I don't want ANY violence of any kind in Cleveland--I just know how nervous I am with Ohio's open carry laws.

[KrazyinKS]

108. I just want to laugh-

It's already been funny. Scott Baio (spelling?) said Trump was running out of the goodness of his heart. I could hear my husband in the next room laughing, god that was FUNNY!!!!

[BlancheSplanchnik]

109. I'd be good with a nice case of e.coli in the RNC banquet meal.

Holeeeeee shitz!!!!!