I see it's dump on the wife tonight.

[elleng]

Isn't DU better than this?
Good night.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. She put herself out there and apparently plagiarized part of her speech.

She's part of the campaign, so she's fair game in respect of the way she participates in it.

[sarae]

2. I don't blame her as much as Trump; he's probably behind it.

Plus, she didn't have to speak. Why shouldn't she take responsibility?

[The_Casual_Observer]

3. It isn't very hard to make that family look stupid is it?

[msongs]

4. she says she wrote her speech...except for the bits swiped from michelle obama nt

[pinboy3niner]

5. DU has a GD thread titled, "She speaks better than the Donald!"

[underpants]

109. I feel sorry for Scott Baio

All this stole the spotlight from him.

[NYC Liberal]

6. She plagiarized her speech. That shouldn't be criticized?

[Angel Martin]

21. oooh ! Nasty ! (but accurate)

maybe PBS can get Doris Kearns Goodwin and Mike Barnicle on to discuss it.

[Cha]

42. Apparently not.. leave trump's wife alone!

[MohRokTah]

8. Plagiarism in a national speech is a MASSIVE story

It's even bigger given from whom she plagiarized her speech.

[Cha]

43. Exactly Moh.. NYDN tomorrow..

[enid602]

55. good one

"Day of chaos as Rudy, Chachi join forces." Good one.

[Hortensis]

95. Yes, having to copy best lines from a Democrat's

speech is not good at the Republican National Convention. Question is, who did it? Trump is clueless and ignorant enough to not realize how inevitably it'd be caught. Melania? The staffers assigned to her certainly have responsibility in that they should have vetted every single word, but they're part of the gang that can't shoot straight lead by someone who can't find his butt to scratch without help.

[Blanks]

102. Rubio must be behind the scenes somewhere...

He was stealing Obama's speeches. It's what he does.

[Hortensis]

105. Hmm, yes. Doubt Rand Paul. He was a verrry slow learner

but after enough thefts blew up in his face he finally did learn.

[Blanks]

110. I'd forgotten about Rand Paul...

It must be tough being a conservative and incapable of original thought. Stealing stuff from Wikipedia.

[Bucky]

118. Plagiarism in defense of liberty is no vice; composition in defense of originality is no virtue

Melanoma Trump is a national treasure

[Nevernose]

9. She's the one who gave the speech

None of us said shit about, say, Ben Carson's wife.

If Melania didn't want criticism she should've stayed off the stage.

[Starry Messenger]

10. Didn't get enough out of singing her praises over at JPR?

Plagiarism isn't a progressive value.

[Hortensis]

96. Right! :)

[Cha]

98. Right.. and neither is lying when she said she "..wrote it with as little help as possible"..

[Blanks]

107. To be fair...

If I were running for First Lady, the first thing I'd do is sit down and watch other First Lady speeches.

If one were to do that, there are some phrases that you'd watched that you might remember (in concept anyway).

If it were me, that's the defense I would use. Of course the exact phrasing part still seems kind of odd.

[BobbyDrake]

159. Actually, my intention of watching former First Ladies would be to note what they said

and then do my best to come up with something as close to "original" as possible. "I heard it recently" isn't a valid plagiarism defense.

[Blanks]

161. She could have paraphrased it...

The upside (for us democrats) is that they are still talking about it.

She's gonna be the highlight of the week. It's kind of like Bush Sr. claiming that he never called Reagan's economic plan voodoo economics. They just don't realize that there are a bunch of people out there looking this stuff up.

She thought she could get away with it. We are all morons as far as they're concerned.

[Peregrine Took]

11. This is a real head scratcher....

The wife put herself out there nobody dragged her into the limelight.
Bizarre observation.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

12. They stole a speech from a woman they've dumped on for eight years

End of story.

[sarae]

26. ^THIS^

[Moostache]

31. Yup, 100% agree...

This is stealing from Michelle Obama, the target of 8 years of scorn and right wing ridicule for everything she has done from clothing to speeches to promoting children's health...

Fuck Melania Trump and the whole GOP....you sons and daughters of bitches reap what you sow, now sit there and eat it while I laugh my ass off and imbibe the schadenfreude.

[Ilsa]

58. Your subject line should, IMO, be all in caps,

and I don't care if it's internet "screaming". It should be screamed.

[sarcasmo]

117. Right on.

[Tarheel_Dem]

156. Thank You.

[Wednesdays]

13. By mid morning, what DU says about her

will be the least of her worries.

[MiniMe]

15. I'm not dumping on her...

I'm dumping on the speech writers. They totally plagiarized Michelle Obama's 2008 convention speech. The only thing I blame her for is telling Matt Lauer that she wrote it with little help, she obliviously didn't write it unless she "wrote it" after viewing Michelle Obama's speech.

[msanthrope]

16. Don't you post on a website that uses the c-word to describe HRC?

How dare you criticize hundreds of DUERS for accurately noting that Melania Trump plagiarized from Michelle Obama?

[MohRokTah]

25. That site is pro-Trump, too. eom

[msanthrope]

33. Tertiary syphilis support group.....not a website. nt

[joshcryer]

39. The hypocrisy from piners astounding.

[zappaman]

51. Nothing the Pinebaggerz say surprises me anymore..

The people on that site need help.

[joshcryer]

56. It thrives on toxicity.

I spent most of the year in toxicity, it was not good for my health (literally, won't go into it, but I was really consumed). It's really pitiful. There are some damn good DUers over there participating and not realizing what it's doing to their psyche. They need to step the fuck back and reassess.

[greatauntoftriplets]

69. Thank you.

It needed to be said.

[msanthrope]

70. The level of denial it takes......to post on said website and then come here to

try to scold DUERS who are holding an adult accountable.....amazing.

[greatauntoftriplets]

72. Does she really think that Trump's wife should not be held accountable for plagiarism?

Especially when she claims to have written the speech herself? If she didn't write it, she's piling lies on top of plagiarism.

And there's *that* website. I love your characterization of it in this thread (and I know that you used it elsewhere). Unreal. I'm not surprised the OP was a hit and run. I'd run away from it fast!

[elleng]

133. Misanthrope=

a person who dislikes humankind and avoids human society.
:bye:

[msanthrope]

139. Your brilliant comeback misspelled my username.

That aside, I truly pity any woman who feels she must tolerate the c-word in a public setting.

[elleng]

140. SO SORRY, MS.

I don't condone, but I tolerate a lot of things about which I have no control, for example:

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/07-290.pdf

[msanthrope]

142. Conflating a tertiary syphilis support group with a SCOTUS decision is kinda

baffling. Your participation in the former is completely voluntary. As to the latter you are obligated to follow the law or suffer the consequences.

[Maven]

84. No kidding, and that's not the only name they call her

'the Hillarian', 'Hitlery' (!), 'Queenie', 'Her', etc. are all used there

[Rex]

17. Well we dump on him so much, why does it bother you?

She did something stupid, he does it all the time were you defending him too?

[brettdale]

18. No its dump on the Plagiarizer

tonight.

Too steal a heartfelt speech from someone else, is disgusting.

[senseandsensibility]

19. She is an adult

who said she wrote the speech.

[cosmicone]

20. Did you accidentally post this on DU instead of the other "progressive" site

that supports Trump?

[msanthrope]

22. Note my observation above.....that wonderfully progressive site that uses the c-word

to describe HRC? That site?

[cosmicone]

24. That's the one !! n/t

[msanthrope]

27. Maybe too many tabs open at once.

At least here, you don't get banned for objecting to the c-word.

[cosmicone]

28. and do get banned for using it .... n/t

[joshcryer]

41. NYC_SKP got banned for implying it.

Not even saying it.

[cosmicone]

81. And now he is a moderator on the other "progressive" site

[Vattel]

154. You should really consider getting off your high horse.

Has elleng used the C-word to describe Hillary? No, she hasn't. But that's not good enough for you. You want to discredit her because she posts at a site that allows the use of the C-word. Given the mountain of vile shit that has appeared in posts at DU, DU clearly tolerates stuff that is far worse than using the C-word.

But the great and holy msanthrope wants to tarnish anyone who participates in that site on the grounds that the rules there are too lax. The self-righteousness is just amazingly pathetic.

[Squinch]

157. Let me guess: might you be justifying your own participation in the site that celebrates sexist

and racist slurs?

Somehow, it seems like you might be.

And did you notice about your projection of self-righteousness right there? It was really funny.

[Vattel]

162. Lol, now the site supposedly "celebrates sexist and racist slurs." Typical smearing.

I signed up but have never posted at that site. You guessed wrong. I just don't like seeing stupid and unfair attacks on good DUers like elleng.

[Squinch]

163. Lol, not smearing. Do go look. They celebrate racist and sexist slurs.

[msanthrope]

158. I appreciate your tacit admission that the use of the c-word at the other site is wrong.

And I appreciate, also, the delicious irony that while the rules there are "lax" enough to permit the Republican-approved mysogynistic insults, they are apparently authoritarian enough to not permit protest of the use of said language.

For that reason, I pity not just the women who feel they must tolerate a public space where that language is used, but the men.

[joshcryer]

40. Speaking of...

...they actually have a post there defending plagiarism and saying "Obama did it, too." Citing Obama and Deval Patrick ... quoting the Declaration of Independence.

[Cha]

92. good grief!

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

100. LOL, I saw that

And whom it's coming from....no surprise.

I also saw a wonderful thread as "progressives" cheered on the Bund last night as they were yelling "Lock her up!".

[zappaman]

114. Pinebaggerz love them some Trump!

Progressives, my ass!

[tallahasseedem]

65. +1

Sometimes people forget to tab over.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

23. Yes, it is. She plagiarized Michelle's speech.

[Warpy]

29. For plagiarism? She's fair game.

Now if I'd seen post after post criticizing her appearance or other trivialities, I might agree with you. But I haven't so far.

[GusBob]

30. He'll ya it is

And DU is awesome

[Lint Head]

32. She married a toilet. What do you expect.

[Warpy]

34. So did Laura Bush, but I always gave her props

for fine taste in literature and also because she hadn't wanted him to run.

She didn't have to plagiarize, either.

[Lint Head]

35. And she didn't have to run a stop sign because she was

pissed at her boyfriend and kill someone.

[Lady_Chat]

36. Melania should have known better, but if Michelle Obama would have done this

we would never hear the end of it. There would be no excuses. She would be branded a thief and a liar. After all the hatred Trump and the republicans have heaped on both Obamas, looks like Karma has struck. And it's not like the criticism isn't deserved. Took a lot of nerve to copy the speech of someone's wife, that her husband is always bashing. Have a feeling we won't be seeing any more of Melania at this convention. She can go on making her junk jewelry that's manufactured in China, and stay out of sight.

[uponit7771]

38. +1

[Evergreen Emerald]

76. This is exactly correct

It shows the double standard in the media: the pundits are bending themselves into pretzels to try to justify the evident plagiarism. Had Michelle done it--there would have been apoplectic response on every media cite.

[Starry Messenger]

93. +1000

[uponit7771]

37. Team TP will come along and wipe it all off.... jus sayin

[MADem]

44. No--it's "Call out the plagiarist."

DU speaks truth to gross wealth and unmerited power.

Who defends a plagiarist?

[Warren DeMontague]

45. she gets a pass?

...why?

[Cha]

46. “I read once over it and that’s all. Because I wrote it and with [as] little help as possible.”

"It’s unclear how much of her speech Melania actually wrote, but earlier in the day she told NBC’s Matt Lauer, “I read once over it and that’s all. Because I wrote it and with [as] little help as possible.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/melania-trump-speech-plagiarized_us_578da752e4b0a0ae97c33675

"Melania Trump Plagiarized Her Convention Speech From Michelle Obama"

".. dump on the wife tonight.."

[bluestateguy]

47. Oh good Lord

In case you haven't noticed here, we are trying to make sure there is not a fascist/Nazi takeover of the US.

If that means some nasty things have to be said, and good manners abandoned, then so be it.

Put on your helmet and shoulder pads if you can't take it the next few months.

[JustAnotherGen]

48. Good, bad, indifferent

It was the high point of the night. It's today's news cycle. I get up between 3:30 and 4:00 AM and this is what is being discussed in the media. Then I look on DU and it looks like the community was just ahead of the curve.

I relate to our First Lady in many ways. She's a kind person and a person of integrity who has been torn down and demeaned. Even those on the left who try to be fair have turned a cheek.

This was bound to happen. Not just at DU - but everywhere that sees a double standard. She's not special and I'm of the mindset that turn about when warranted is fair play.

Words are important. Own them. She said those words and she needs to be forced to own them. No special treatment for the candidate's spouse.

They won't be kind to Bill who wouldn't be so stupid as to plagiarize an Ann Romney or Cindy McCain or Laura Bush speech.

[Cha]

52. thank you for that, Gen.. well said. Not only were FL Michelle's words plagiarized

but trump's wife said she wrote it ".. with as little help as possible."

"Melania Trump Plagiarized Her Convention Speech From Michelle Obama"

"It’s unclear how much of her speech Melania actually wrote, but earlier in the day she told NBC’s Matt Lauer, “I read once over it and that’s all. Because I wrote it and with [as] little help as possible.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/melania-trump-speech-plagiarized_us_578da752e4b0a0ae97c33675

And, they plagiarized the section on honesty, character, and integrity!

Erick Erickson
✔ ?@EWErickson
It's not just that they plagiarized Michelle Obama's speech; they plagiarize the section on honesty, character, and integrity.
6:53 PM - 18 Jul 2016
2,732 2,732 Retweets 2,635 2,635 likes

https://theobamadiary.com/2016/07/18/tweets-of-the-day-56/

[deurbano]

106. They sure the hell never cut Hillary Clinton any slack when she was the spouse.

[JustAnotherGen]

112. Good point

They really were NOT respectful towards her at all.

[Scurrilous]

49. Not dump...hold feet to the fire.

Like we did to Obama for nigh on eight years.

[zappaman]

50. Whoosh!

[lapfog_1]

53. She gets a free pass because why

she is the spouse? Or because she is a woman?

I'm sorry... she didn't have to give a speech... the Trump campaign put her out there.

She could have said "no thanks" and remained in the background as she was for the primaries.

She didn't have to tell Matt Lauer that she wrote the speech.

And, rut-ro... she didn't have to claim a university degree when she is, in fact, a dropout.

[Democat]

54. A speaker at a political event is not just a "wife"

She is campaigning for Donald Trump.

[SidDithers]

57. Leave Trump alone!!!!...

Sid

[Orrex]

59. Nice driveby

[mindfulNJ]

60. Huh?

She plagiarized Michelle Obama's speech! She told Matt Lauer she wrote it herself! We should let the poor little woman off the hook? Why?

[book_worm]

61. Not when she steals somebody elses words.

[avebury]

62. She has only herself to blame for the pickle she now finds herself in.

1. She claimed that she wrote the speech (with little assistance).
2. The Communications guy is now saying that a speech writer team wrote it.
3. Part of her speech is out right plagerism at the worse and extremely similar to Michelle Obama's speech at the best.

So bottom line, she either lied about whether or not she wrote the speech or she plagerized Michelle's speech. Either way she has been seriously humiliated in public. It is symptomatic to how bad a campaign that Trump is running. An experienced staff wouldn't let shit like this happen. Trump and his family think that they know best. It routinely is proven that they don't.

[bigwillq]

63. Her speech should be criticized

She stole some of it from someone else.

[tallahasseedem]

64. Did you go to bed before the revelation?

I was critical of her BEFORE the speech! Now? She can be scrutinized just like Michelle was. Can you imagine if Michelle would have cribbed Laura Bush's speech? All hell would have broken loose.

She lied about writing it, she should answer for it.

[Codeine]

66. Pinebagger says what? nt

[Her Sister]

67. Mrs. Dumb & Mr. Dumber are adults, put themselves out there and lie/plagiarize!

What's not to criticize!

Ahhhh your concern for HER is adorable!!!! & NOTED!

elleng
0. I see it's dump on the wife tonight.

Isn't DU better than this?
Good night.

[Koinos]

68. I have to respectfully disagree with you, Elleng.

This entire convention is necessarily dominated by the Trump family, since mainstream Republicans were ashamed to attend and Donald Trump (and his ego) designed it to be that way. It was Trump's son or son-in-law who likely wrote the plagiarized speech, and Trump's wife lied about writing it herself. The disgrace was a family effort. Melania sold out a long time ago when she married one of the most detestable beings on this planet. She did not have to marry the slime, and she did not have to go on stage and make a fool out of herself by lying to cover for another detestable family member. Melania is not an innocent nor a child. It is demeaning to wives in general to treat her that way.

[JustAnotherGen]

91. Very well said Koinos

[Hortensis]

99. Agree. Fwiw, Joe Scarborough said 3 sources told

him that a staffer was assigned to every member of the family. Melania was the most important, so Campaign Manager Manifort was assigned to her, and he had an assistant. Regardless of who wrote the speech, Manifort's official duty was to vet every single word and make sure this simply could not happen.

If no one's fired, it may be because the guilty person is not firable. Trump himself has boasted that he was reviewing his wife's speech even though she was very intelligent, etc., and he's easily clueless enough not to realize that plagiarism is picked up in moments these days. She claimed she wrote it and could also conceivably be too ignorant to realize.

In any case that it was a Democratic first lady whose words were plagiarized is pretty funny. For someone who's been inadvertently involved in the nastiness that was last night's convention, Michelle is being shown off pretty nicely. Bet her mouth fell open last night while listening. She's probably also among those with genuine sympathy for what Melania's moment of glory turned into. Never been there or done that, but...

[greatauntoftriplets]

71. You're defending plagiarism?

[Gothmog]

73. Trump's wife plagarized Michele Obama's 2008 speech

That is a subject appropriate for discussion. The RNC convention is turning into a trainwreck and while it may not be nice to take joy in the suffering caused by this trainwreck, I am still compelled to watch and comment on it.

Steve Schmidt (McCain's main adviser) is also calling this a trainwreck and his views on the GOP process are relevant to this board

[mythology]

74. This didn't work out like you intended

She doesn't get a special shield from being criticized for stealing just because she has poor taste in men. When you put yourself in the political fray, you become fair game to be criticized for what you say/do politically speaking. She (or the speech writer) either made a conscious decision to steal, or didn't do a good enough job to ensure they didn't. That's fair game.

[pnwmom]

75. I see you're on the Manafort team.

Very few people were blaming Melania -- till Manafort did. There was almost universal feeling that some speechwriter did her wrong.

But Manafort threw her in front of the press bus -- and then dared them to run her over.

And you're mad at the onlookers instead of at Manafort.

Interesting.

[Adrahil]

77. She put herself forward as an advocate. Fair game.

I suppose you don't want anyone to say anything mean about Chachi either?

[beachbumbob]

78. Nice..ignore plagiarism..Ignore her other deceptions...

No wonder liberals...progressives are considered weak kneed by some...

[Squinch]

79. LOL!!! You are a riot! Maybe you should invite Mrs. Trump, Donald and Jill Stein over to

one of your piner tea parties where you call Hillary disgusting names. Because that would REALLY show your progressivism!

You should definitely try to arrange that!

[rjsquirrel]

80. If Michelle Obama had plagiarized Nancy Reagan

can you imagine the right wing feeding frenzy?

No we are not dumping on the wife, were calling bullshit on an entire campaign.

[wildeyed]

82. If the wife plagiarizes a political speech at the CONVENTION, then yeah, fair game.

Very few ad hominem and/or sexist comments were made that I saw. Way fewer than you see about any of the male speakers.

This a political chat site. We are talking about a POLITICAL speech. Sheesh.

[snooper2]

83. she is an active supporter of her husband who is a complete piece of fucking shit

Yep...

called fair game you scared she may get upset or cry or something if we laugh at her?

[dumbcat]

85. I think you have your answer. n/t

nt

[Koinos]

86. Why in heaven's name did they plagiarize from Michelle Obama's speech?

Why didn't they "borrow" from Laura Bush, Barbara Bush, Nancy Reagan, or any other Republican first lady?

What they did was stupid times one million. It is a plagiarism that pays tribute to the words and character of a remarkable Democratic first lady, a wonderful person whom Republicans have viciously maligned for eight years.

The clueless Republican crowd was unwittingly applauding the moving and profound statements of Michelle Obama.

Melania didn't write this speech or even research Michelle's speech on her own. But she lied and said the words were hers.

She will take the fall for Trump and the stepsons.

The Trumps aren't a family. They are a crime scene.

[kcr]

87. I'm genuinely curious.

What bar are we talking, here. She can't be totally immune, right?

[geek tragedy]

89. your concern is duly noted, nt

[Mendocino]

90. Well if you use your family as political props,

let them speak at your convention, a speech is plagiarized, then lies are committed to cover up that fact and the speech in question is from a political opponent, then yes "dumping on" will occur.

[bemildred]

94. I concur, it is very unseemly. nt

[bluedigger]

97. She should be given her full due.

I assume you are referring to presumptive First Lady and former soft porn model Melania Trump, yes?

[CanonRay]

101. She gets on the stage at a GOP convention, she's fair game

IMHO

[Rose Siding]

103. Looking forward to your spirited defense of Bill during the DNC

[zappaman]

108. Please don't hold your breath.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

104. Really? SHE did this. No one else. Sigh...

[snooper2]

111. Oh I see, found your thread at the other site, Melania is just DREAMY right ROFLMAO

Melania Trump: From Small-Town Slovenia to Doorstep of White House

Won't link to that site full of idiots people can find it on their own. Is it weird having to have a split personality posting at both places at the same time?

[Stinky The Clown]

115. Busted!

How did I know this would be the case?

[zappaman]

116. I don't support Trump, so I guess I'm not a "Progressive" like those

"Progressive" Pinebaggerz!

[ck4829]

113. What? Is there a spot on the calendar for let the plagiarist plagiarize night?

[backscatter712]

119. She plagiarized on live TV. She's an adult, should know better.

Open season.

[Bluenorthwest]

120. I don't even get why you think any political speaker is above criticism. Plus this one

could have afforded a speech of her own. It's not like you can't have one written. It's not like she's without resources.

[leftynyc]

121. What's the problem?

Is she (or is it all women) such a delicate little flower she can't handle criticism over stealing part of a speech that nobody forced her to give? Do you think the cons would ignore it if it were Bill that did the stealing?

[Iggo]

122. She gave a political speech at a political convention.

And really, nobody thinks she wrote that speech.

But they keep saying she did....

And so it goes back to: She gave a political speech at a political convention.

[hamsterjill]

123. It's not just about dumping on the wife.

First off, she obviously gave a plagiarized speech. What if this were reversed and the spouse of a Democratic candidate had done this? The right would be all over it.

I'm not suggesting that we aren't "better" than this. We do generally uphold a higher standard as far as mudslinging.

My "beef" with Melania is the fact that, in my opinion, she has no intention of being "First Lady" were it that Trump wins in November. That post is going to go to Ivanka Trump. There is no doubt in my mind about that.

That brings some questions to mind. For example, is it that Melania doesn't want to assume the role, or it is that Donald doesn't think she's capable of assuming the role? If it's her decision, that's one thing Let me repeat that. If it's HER decision, then that's one thing.

If that decision has been made for Melania (which is what I suspect based on Trump's habit of demeaning women, and the fact that Melania has not been a participant in much of Trump's campaign up to this point), then I would be critical of Melania for allowing someone to control her.

If it is offensive to anyone that I make a negative comment about a woman who is willing to allow herself to be controlled and manipulated for a price, then so be it. Women should be "better" than this. It's 2016. Women should not be congratulated for marrying well. Women should be congratulated for their own, personal accomplishments.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

124. No, it's "Rightfully criticize the plagiarizer for such a dishonest speech she didn't even write...

...and then LIED about writing on national television night."

Seriously...wtf?

[tenderfoot]

125. Thanks Obama!

eom

[emulatorloo]

126. Sad to see an O'Malley supporter use a Strawman argument to prop up Trump

[zappaman]

127. Many are more a Hillary hater than an O'Malley supporter.

Hence the hit and run post and then fleeing to the Hillary Hate site known as jackpineradicals to hang out with the trolls who were sent packing from DU.
Sad and funny at the same time!

[taught_me_patience]

128. Hit and run post... I wonder where the op ran off to?

I'm going to guess JackShitRadicals. They love Trump over there.

[elleng]

129. I see some crap comments here.

Too damn bad, as if you'd noticed, I said I thought DU was better than this. Maybe you're not.

[Rex]

131. You made up stuff about DUers and then ran off.

And then you get ROASTED in your own thread and pretend not to see why.

[elleng]

135. I made NOTHING up,

I posted early in the event and was not pleased to see that tramp's wife was being spoken of harshly.

It's clearly now the fault of their campaign that the speech was plagirized, Mrs.Tramp may or may not have known about it, and she was likely persuaded by her husband to make a speech.

[JaneyVee]

138. Any comment?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8025389

[tenderfoot]

145. I find it amusing that you refer to her as "Mrs. Tramp" but are pissed at DUers for criticizing her

[Rex]

152. Well it is all about feeling superior to usernames on a forum in cyberspace.

If I had a dime for every "I am better then thou" OP posted on DU, I would be at least a Thousandaire!

[Downtown Hound]

130. So we can't criticize a plagiarizer putting herself out there to elect a bloated gas bag

fascist?

Nice hit and run post, by the way.

[elleng]

132. I posted well before the plagirism was apparent,

but DUers spent a fair amount of time in the muck last night. Too damn bad.

[lpbk2713]

134. I respect you for leaving the post up.

Some others would have deleted it but you stood behind your statement.

[elleng]

136. Thanks, lpbk2713.

I appreciate your reply.

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[Maru Kitteh]

164. DU finds your support of the republican nominee's wife

curious. You're surprised?

[elleng]

165. If, in fact, DU 'thinks' I 'support' tramp's wife,

DU is mistaken. I found this article to be interesting, Melania Trump: From Small-Town Slovenia to Doorstep of White House http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016163764 and I hoped others would. too.

I also hoped people would take some time to try to understand her and the reasons for her actions, and not trash her simply because she is a woman and married the charlatan.

I AM surprised, as I continue to think and hope that DU is a rational discussion group.

[tenderfoot]

167. Again, I love how you refer to her as "Tramp" then scold others for not "understanding her/reasons"

So disingenuous.

[elleng]

168. I refer, consistently, to her husband as Tramp,

which you could easily see; hence, she is tramp's wife.

[tenderfoot]

169. I see it's dump on the wife hour for you.

See what I did there.

[still_one]

150. Some others would have at least edited it, especially after it was pointed out in this thread and

elsewhere about the plagiarism.

However, regardless of that, to say that being critical of the "potential first lady", is somehow "attacking the wife", is disingenuous, since the potential first lady is PART OF THE CAMPAIGN.

[still_one]

149. I sometimes wonder about those who participate in sites that allow vulgarities against

women, just how authentic their concerns are against criticisms of a potential first lady, who is part of the campaign for a racist, sexist, demigod

[Downtown Hound]

155. It makes no difference

She is part of his campaign and therefore fair game. Also, you might want to think twice about defending anybody that would marry that sleazeball.

[Crunchy Frog]

141. She's a high profile public figure in a presidential campaign.

She made a major speech at a convention.

Why would she get some sort of special immunity that nobody else gets?

[glennward]

143. Strange how Melania gets more positive press by some here than Hillary.

Hmmmm...

[still_one]

144. The candidate's "wife", as you call it, is running for First Lady, and is part of her husband's

campaign.

It is unfortunate that you do not see the plagiarism that was done is a "big deal"

Within this thread there are innuendos that you are part of JPR. If that is the case, that is really sad.

I had a higher view of you than that.

Really disappointed

[madinmaryland]

146. I actually thought it was a very good speech, though at the time I did not know that it was

a speech I had heard eight years ago.

[elleng]

147. Ditto,

which is why I posted the OP; was 'not happy' that so many appeared to be dumping on her for no reason. LATER the reason to dump on the campaign appeared.

[madinmaryland]

148. On the other hand, anyone who went after Ghoulianni would have sounded great.

Noun, verb, and 9/11. The man who was too afraid to run against SOS Clinton. She was going to kick his ass big time, until he dropped out and let Lazio be the dupe.

[chillfactor]

151. sorry but...

she did it to herself......do you live in some self-righteous bubble?

[giftedgirl77]

153. She made a speech at the RNC on national television

& made a speech that was stolen from someone else. She has earned ridicule & it has nothing to do with her wife status.

A child in about 5 grade or so knows you don't steal other people's work or ideas that have been published. I'm pretty sure a middle schooler could have researched & cited Michele Obama for that idea. I don't care who the grown ass person is married to, this deserves ridicule.