Speechgate: Something is very fishy

[Laura PourMeADrink]

They just said the speechwriter delivered the speech and NONE of the plagiarized parts were in there.

Number 1 - she lied if a speech was delivered

Number 2 - who put the bad stuff in? Melania? (secretly hates republicans?)
One of the kids? (to fuck with step mom)? Trump? (with hopes to play some kind of sympathy card? Although if that was true, he would have played that card by now)

If it was Melania - perhaps in Slovenia - plagiarism not a crime??? Anyone else? they were up to no damn good.

[dubyadiprecession]

1. They can't hide from this, they are sad pathetic weasels..

[Jeffersons Ghost]

28. Okay, I'll kick my original "Speehgate" Opening Post to the top again...

BTW, the term "Speechgate" is way too cool!

[WhiteTara]

2. Their bubble is so thick that perhaps

no one thought anyone would notice? Pretty stupid...sort of like the whole campaign. It's painful to watch and terrifying to think it might be our future.

[modem77]

3. Free air time and pandering to the base.

She got a full day of free press. All he needs to do is something stupid, then we go on the offensive and now they feel sympathy for him since we are beating up on his wife. He is trying to get us to show our ass. There are much bigger issues we can get him on if we stop playing into his little sideshows. Last night was about uniting the hardcore republican base and possibly pulling back the libertarian voters. He probably got a slight bump in the polls from this.

[malaise]

4. If you publicly state that you could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot someone and

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still keep your voters, you may believe that you could steal paragraphs from Michelle Obama's speech and get away with it.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

7. Well, number one...surely they would think that Princeton grad Michelle would

notice. If she was watching, that is. Ugh...gonna throw up...Turtle speaking.

[malaise]

9. Not watching turtle

no way

[phylny]

5. Couldn't be Melania.

Every college-educated person learns about plagiarism.


Oh, wait.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

8. she did go to college for architecture or something, right?

[malaise]

10. never graduated

not even from Trump U

[Laura PourMeADrink]

12. Oops....her website

Born on April 26, 1970 in Slovenia, Melania Knauss began her modeling career at the age of sixteen. At the age of eighteen, she signed with a modeling agency in Milan. After obtaining a degree in design and architecture at University in Slovenia, snip
http://www.melaniatrump.com/my-world/

[Gabi Hayes]

17. when do they ever tell the truth? if you ask them if they're lying?

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=melania+lied+about+degree

[Laura PourMeADrink]

23. Ok G, those are all 6-11 hrs ago. WTF, this should be EVERYWHERE.

Like someone said last night...they operate in a Post-Truth mode.

Ok, my new view is that she is a total pawn. She didn't plagiarize. They had a speech handed to her. And then SOMEONE added plagiarized material to it. WTF?

P.S. Haven't spelled the word plagiarize - probably never It's a tough one LOL

[malaise]

36. What if Don the Con or his children tore up the original speech

and then stole from Michelle's? Word this morning is that it was a close family friend - ballet dancer and English major who did it. She has worked with Don the Con before.

An English major doesn't know about plagiarism - WTF?????

[Laura PourMeADrink]

15. Huffington all over it. I am behind on this

It’s a good story, but it doesn’t appear to be true.

Melania Trump never earned a university degree in architecture ― she dropped out of college after her freshman year, according to her biographers. Still, she claims to have a degree from “university in Slovenia.”

Questions about her education grew more significant Tuesday morning, following the revelation that Melania Trump plagiarized parts of her speech to the Republican National Convention from one that First Lady Michelle Obama gave in 2008.

That revelation on Monday raised the question of whether there was anything else Melania Trump hadn’t been entirely truthful about.

Slovenian journalists Bojan Pozar and Igor Omerza wrote in their biography on the former fashion model that she “became ― and remained ― a college dropout” after leaving the University of Ljubljana’s architecture school following her freshman year

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/melania-trump-college-claims_us_578dd95ce4b0c53d5cfac0dc

[Laura PourMeADrink]

16. More from same Huff post

Later, in America, after meeting Donald Trump and officially becoming his partner, Melania Knauss told the media that she got her degree in architecture and design. This was almost certainly done in consultation with Trump and his advisors, as they were desperate to give off the impression that the Slovenian model was not just beautiful, but also smart and well-educated.

A spokeswoman for the Trump campaign declined to comment early Tuesday on Melania Trump’s claim that she has a university degree.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

18. Ok...my takeaway is that she will do whatever donald tells her. HE put the f'in

stolen lines in the speech !! (my theory)

[lapislzi]

35. Heavens, no.

We have people for that. We don't waste our valuable time (it's money, you know) on writing words. Put one of the interns on it. Yeah, that guy. The freshman. He'll do anything, and we don't even have to pay him.

[malaise]

37. Don't rule this out

[Atman]

27. She dropped out of "University in Slovenia" after her freshman year.

Never received any degree. SHOCKED to hear that she's lying! Not.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

33. shocked that's it's still on her website. No??

[lapislzi]

38. I honestly wonder what level of agency she has in this scenario.

When I heard her interviewed elsewhere (NPR?) earlier this year, she didn't strike me as a dummy. Lying, sure. Obviously. But, she had enough brains to use the means available to her (her looks, her modeling life) to scale the ladder like many before her. I assume a certain calculus on her part in attracting the attention of a man with a notoriously short attention span. There's a dynamic playing out here in a very public and interesting way.

If she lacks agency, she gave it away willingly. She's not a dupe, but she may be out of her depth. Trusted the wrong people and they dropped her in it, intentionally or not.

[pnwmom]

11. For a year or so -- in design, I believe. n/t

[Laura PourMeADrink]

13. reply #10

[pnwmom]

31. I've read in multiple places that she dropped out in her first year.

For example:

They call out other fudges: Melania has claimed to have won first place in the Look of the Year contest; her Web site states that she obtained a degree in architecture and design from the University of Ljubljana when in fact she dropped out in her first year.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/05/09/who-is-melania-trump

[StraightRazor]

6. It appears that the only ones who even care are us...

and by 'us' I mean people who already think not very highly of the Trump Circus.

It's amazing that he and his campaign can do pretty much anything and there are no real consequences...he will get 40% of the vote regardless of what he says or does going forward.

[GulfCoast66]

21. I thought this way forever.

And have always thought that about both parties. It is a binary choice every election and neither, lacking a strong 3rd party will drop below 40%.

But now I am not sure. I have several republican friends that are saying they will not vote for trump. 2 are not sure if it will be Hillary or Johnson and the 3rd is going for Johnson. These are all college educated guys in their 40s who have never voted for anyone except the Republican candidate. And I live in Florida where every vote counts.

I support Hillary and have never been a Bernie guy, but the 30 years of smears against her have done some damage. I hope she goes positive to the hilt telling how she is going to make American more prosperous and stronger. Hell, I hope the name Donald Trump never crosses the lips of speakers at the DNC. After the shit storm of hate we are seeing now a positive message will do wonders.

Everyone have a nice evening.

[Rex]

14. Nothing fishy, this is what the GOP is all about. Something happens in reality and they pretend

it never happened in their pathetic delusional little worlds. The media moves on as fast as they can and the cycle repeats on and on forever.

Republicans are pathetic losers, the fact they cannot deal with reality is all the proof anyone needs.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

19. Like someone posted today...CNN is our only hope. CNN is what middle-of-the-

roaders watch. It's on every TV in every airport. We need to infiltrate cnn. LOL

[Rex]

20. And CNN just hired Trumps former campaign manager!

At this point the media is not at all hiding who their favorite pony is. I guess all we have is MSNBC.

[librechik]

22. you know who this smells like

Karl Rove

[Laura PourMeADrink]

25. Eww...you are right !! Attack your enemy's strengths !! Or attack

your enemy for what YOUR weakness is....THE TRUTH

[AwakeAtLast]

39. Wow, you are so right

And maybe with a smidgen of Koch Bros. backing?

[tavernier]

24. And she speaks several languages...

French - "Croissant"

German - "Schnitzel"

Spanish - "Ole'!"

Russian - "Smirnoff"

English - "Money"

[liberal N proud]

26. They can't get the story straight on this

Imagine something much bigger

[itsrobert]

29. Number 3, a rival trying to be Trump wife #4

?

[spotbird]

30. Ask Dan Rather what's up.

Works every time they try it.

You make a great observation, it will be a surprise if you're not right.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

32. I can not believe they would leave that on her website that she has a

degree when she doesn't. Trump is living in his "business" world where you can bullshit a client at a cocktail party - people who would never think to google his claims.

[kairos12]

34. Like Drump's taxes the MSM will let it slide after a day passes. The Reich Wing knows this.

[maxsolomon]

40. Fox News planted the passage

to bury Ailes' downfall in a media kerfluffle over the speech.

[0rganism]

41. it's just a distraction from the awful shit they're saying

the plagiarized parts are some of the least nasty crap to come out of the RNC

if it was planned, it was planned as a distraction: "look, shiny plagiarism things! nevermind the xenophobia and racism, look at the plagiarism! everybody be mean to Trump's wife so she can gin up some sympathy!" *jingles plagiarism story in front of toddler media*

plagiarism isn't their biggest problem, it's the original material that really stinks, and now it's effectively ignored.