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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPolice shoot man laying on the ground with his hands in the air.
It's almost as if the "bad apples" can't help themselves!
According to WPLG, police later said the autistic man had something in his hand. In the video, Kinsey can be heard identifying the object as a toy truck.
After shooting him, Kinsey says police put him in handcuffs.
http://wsvn.com/news/local/video-shows-moments-before-north-miami-police-shot-unarmed-man/
Thankfully, he lived to tell the story...
Edit: added the news video
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Either they're not well-trained, or the training designed for them is imbecilic.
mythology
(9,527 posts)They are constantly being told that their job is among the most dangerous (which is overstating things) and they are coming from our society which has both conscious and more insidiously subconscious bias against black and Hispanics (particularly men). Repeated studies have shown that being shown a black or Hispanic face and then either a weapon or a tool, people will misidentify in the direction of the item being a weapon. I think that subconscious bias is the real culprit for the majority these shootings rather than overt racism, which makes it harder to deal with. It's easy to find the guy with the swastika tattoo and kick him off the force. It's harder to reset subconscious biases.
mark67
(196 posts)A few months ago I went with my wife to the Durham VA on a Saturday afternoon. Although the hospital has 24-hour in-patients many of the clinics are closed on Saturday and many of the hallways were deserted. After my appointment we were walking are-in-arm to exit the hospital through the Emergency/Main entrance.
A young security guard walked through the door from the outside and demanded, "What are you doing here!" He had this look of rage on his face. I'll never forget it. We said we were coming from one of the clinics and he seemed to consider this and then he turned around and walked out without saying anything. To put this in perspective we are both pushing 50.
I'm sure that under any other circumstances I could have a beer with that guy, etc...but clearly some people are in the wrong line of work, or I agree, they are only getting Mickey Mouse training.
406-Boz
(53 posts)I was walking out of a hospital in a small city after my wife's surgery, she had just been discharged after 2 days in the hospital. She had her face bandaged up with one bandage wrapping her head, she was clearly a patient. I was supporting her with my left hand and as usual had my cane in my right hand. A city motorcycle cop had just pulled a car over, the driver had turned off the street and into the hospital parking lot, cop approaching the motorist. As he left his motorcycle and approached the car he noticed me on the sidewalk about 50 feet away with my bandaged wife, he stopped and stared at me. It occurred to me that he might be thinking my cane was a gun, after he'd stared for a while I gave him a smile and turned away, only then he resume his biz with the motorist. I walk with a metal cane, it's shiny and light colored, I'm now thinking that I'm not safe traveling with the cane or anywhere I'm likely to encounter a cop. I was 68 when this incident occurred, it wasn't the first time, once I was walking down the street in a different city and a cop stopped the cruiser to check me out. I recently saw a video of a disabled man being shot down by a trooper as he exited his vehicle with a cane in his hand, that did nothing to make me feel less apprehensive. Most cops are just dimwit assholes, kinda fits their job description. And save the critique, I don't ever call the cops, that isn't going to happen.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)like Ice Cube said- "they have the authority to kill a minority". They just weren't successful this time.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)M0rpheus
(885 posts)Hoppy
(3,595 posts)"Well fuck them. They were resisting."
Logical
(22,457 posts)that as an excuse. Life in Prison.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)They know they can do anything they want and will not be called to account for it. In the rare instance that they are even indicted, they aren't convicted. The police are a farce. But it's a deadly farce.
lapucelle
(18,252 posts)Bettie
(16,090 posts)when they were still emptying their guns into people at traffic stops?
So, now, we should just say "Well, it's OK if you shoot even more innocent people because some of you were killed"? Is that it?
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,500 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)M0rpheus
(885 posts)I'm on edge in all dealings with law enforcement, for good reason.
And yet, somehow I haven't hurt a single LEO.
lapucelle
(18,252 posts)There are approximately 40,000,000 police-civilian contacts in a given year.
I'm not excusing this cop. He shouldn't be a cop, and applicants should be more carefully screened, but given the number of contacts, there are bound to be mistakes and accidents.
http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=70
M0rpheus
(885 posts)"There are bound to be mistakes and accidents" that they are rarely called to account for.
If I mistakenly shoot someone, its assault with a deadly weapon.
If I mistakenly kill someone, I'm going up for manslaughter, at least.
I don't expect perfection from any human being, but I do expect consequences for the actions they take.
The anger out here toward police is because there is very little justice for the people they hurt or kill.
lapucelle
(18,252 posts)You may be guilty of a crime. You may be liable for a tort. But the law looks at the entirety of the circumstances, case by case, and then determines culpability.
You have no argument with me that the cop in your story should not be cop; you have no argument from me that this event needs to be investigated, and if there is evidence of criminality this cop should be tried. But there is a reason why cops are on edge this week, and I can't blame them for that.
M0rpheus
(885 posts)While my family scrounges up the funds for a retainer and bail, I'll be sitting in jail for my "alleged" (innocent until proven guilty, of course) crime. If I can't afford an attorney, I'll get an overworked public defender who just wants to dispose of this case (1 of hundreds) and would prefer that I just plead out.
While an officer in the same circumstance gets time to get his story straight, a union rep to hold his hand and a union provided attorney to negotiate his bail (which, they will then pay for him, if it gets to that). In the unlikely event that it actually goes to trial, it's likely that a jury will be sympathetic.
As the son of an attorney... I will just say that the system is almost as flawed as the people who make it run, and just leave it there.
I don't have any beef with you on the officer being wrong and undeserving of the job. I posted the OP for that very reason. However, if they are on edge (understandably), should someone innocent end up shot?
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)IL Lib
(190 posts)mr_liberal
(1,017 posts)sheshe2
(83,746 posts)"Or they're on edge because of several recent police assassinations.'
Sadly it is the police that are assassinating unarmed black men in unprecedented numbers. Think how edgy they might be.
lapucelle
(18,252 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... by the numbers
Rex
(65,616 posts)Did you even look at the links you posted?
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Or stressful situations
Or training
Or criticism
Or community relations
Rex
(65,616 posts)Probably they should sit this one out, let the big kids handle it.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)scscholar
(2,902 posts)Assassination is when someone is targeted specifically.
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LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Can you take us from "on edge" to shooting a man with his hands out while laying on the ground?
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)African Americans for decades. They don't need an excuse.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)... they should be relieved of their position for the public's safety and their own well being.
bluedye33139
(1,474 posts)Horrible horrible shooting! Seriously, folks. The only positive takeaway is that the officer said "I don't know" when he asked why they had shot him. Also, he's alive -- but this was a horrible shooting.
UnFettered
(79 posts)That's pretty bad all around.
Quackers
(2,256 posts)sheshe2
(83,746 posts)Almost unheard of these days, MOrpheus.
M0rpheus
(885 posts)Initech
(100,063 posts)Seriously.
Blue Idaho
(5,048 posts)Blue lives matter! Your life on the other hand isn't worth a shit.
Calculating
(2,955 posts)Cops are conditioned throughout their training that everybody is out to get them. They're basically told if they don't shoot first they won't be coming home to their family.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Come on, humpers! You can find some way to smear this man!
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Midnight Writer
(21,745 posts)News folk, you have it ON VIDEO. It is right there, for anyone to see. The autistic person was clearly not holding a gun, the victim was clearly holding his hands up, he was clearly telling the police the truth of the situation, he was clearly trying to de-escalate the whole scene, he was desperately trying to protect his patient.
There is simply no gray area here. This guy was acting properly, even heroically, cooperating fully, and he still got shot.
Straw Man
(6,623 posts)I will defend the actions of cops when I believe the circumstances merited the use of lethal force -- which they sometimes do -- but that is clearly not the case here.
rafeh1
(385 posts)Send pd to uk for non violent policing training
Much better than 1 shot 1 kill training given by israel
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)People like him have no business being in law enforcement. None whatsoever.