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M0rpheus

(885 posts)
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 09:07 PM Jul 2016

Police shoot man laying on the ground with his hands in the air.

It's almost as if the "bad apples" can't help themselves!

Arriving officers attempted to negotiate with two men on the scene, one of whom was later identified as suffering from autism,” said North Miami Police in a statement. “At some point during the on-scene negotiation, one of the responding officers discharged his weapon, striking the employee.”

According to WPLG, police later said the autistic man “had something in his hand.” In the video, Kinsey can be heard identifying the object as a toy truck.

After shooting him, Kinsey says police put him in handcuffs.

http://wsvn.com/news/local/video-shows-moments-before-north-miami-police-shot-unarmed-man/



Thankfully, he lived to tell the story...


Edit: added the news video
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Police shoot man laying on the ground with his hands in the air. (Original Post) M0rpheus Jul 2016 OP
Our police are consistently incompetent alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #1
My vote is poorly trained mythology Jul 2016 #20
I agree..probably not racism but poor training or in the wrong line of work... mark67 Jul 2016 #36
Most cops are just assholes 406-Boz Jul 2016 #40
No, not poorly trained... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #42
Soon they'll just start shooting each other bravenak Jul 2016 #2
Too late... Already there. M0rpheus Jul 2016 #6
"Sorry, man, I didn't know it was you." As for any civilian he might have shot or will shoot, Hoppy Jul 2016 #14
Police want NO RISK at all. They just shoot because no downside. Imagine any armed citizen using... Logical Jul 2016 #3
"They just shoot because no downside" EXACTLY............ socialist_n_TN Jul 2016 #35
Or they're on edge because of several recent police assassinations. lapucelle Jul 2016 #4
So, what about before that....like two weeks ago Bettie Jul 2016 #7
Or maybe they're in the fucking wrong line of work. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2016 #9
There it is then uponit7771 Jul 2016 #23
Not an excuse by any means.. M0rpheus Jul 2016 #10
And most cops haven't hurt a single civilian. lapucelle Jul 2016 #15
"With great power comes great responsibility" M0rpheus Jul 2016 #19
I don't think your premises are correct. lapucelle Jul 2016 #21
I jumped past the *MAY*. Because in my experience *MAY* requires money or status. M0rpheus Jul 2016 #28
It only takes one cop seeing the impunity they're afforded. uponit7771 Jul 2016 #24
Maybe you'll be the next mistake. n/t IL Lib Jul 2016 #27
Exactly. and the mistakes get magnfied by the news media out of all proportion. nm mr_liberal Jul 2016 #33
You say... sheshe2 Jul 2016 #12
Are you sure? lapucelle Jul 2016 #17
Yes, young black men ACROSS THE NATION are still 21 times more likely to be shot by police... uponit7771 Jul 2016 #25
Your very first link validates what sheshe2 said. Rex Jul 2016 #32
They're not good with math alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #38
Must not be. Rex Jul 2016 #39
Then black people should be 5 - 6 times "on edge" then... speaking from an objective point of view uponit7771 Jul 2016 #22
You mean murder scscholar Jul 2016 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author forgotmylogin Jul 2016 #31
Can you take us from "on edge" to shooting a man with his hands out while laying on the ground? LanternWaste Jul 2016 #34
They have been shooting awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #43
It can clearly be argued that if one cannot perform their duties appropriately ... etherealtruth Jul 2016 #44
I just watched this bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #5
I don't even know what to say UnFettered Jul 2016 #8
Glad he survived. The officer needs to be removed from duty and charged. nt Quackers Jul 2016 #11
I am grateful Kinsey was not fataly shot. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #13
"Dead men tell no tales" nt M0rpheus Jul 2016 #18
Time for the police to disarm. Initech Jul 2016 #16
Just remember kids... Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #26
This Calculating Jul 2016 #30
Let the DEEP INVESTIGATION into the victim's BACKGROUND commence! alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 #37
I'm just glad he's alive so the police can't make up their own cover story Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #41
Notice how cautious this news report is. "He claims", "He says his hands were up", etc Midnight Writer Jul 2016 #45
There was no excuse for this shooting. Straw Man Jul 2016 #46
Send pd to uk rafeh1 Jul 2016 #47
The cop that shot this man, needs to have his badge and gun taken away. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #48
 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
1. Our police are consistently incompetent
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 09:09 PM
Jul 2016

Either they're not well-trained, or the training designed for them is imbecilic.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
20. My vote is poorly trained
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 10:55 PM
Jul 2016

They are constantly being told that their job is among the most dangerous (which is overstating things) and they are coming from our society which has both conscious and more insidiously subconscious bias against black and Hispanics (particularly men). Repeated studies have shown that being shown a black or Hispanic face and then either a weapon or a tool, people will misidentify in the direction of the item being a weapon. I think that subconscious bias is the real culprit for the majority these shootings rather than overt racism, which makes it harder to deal with. It's easy to find the guy with the swastika tattoo and kick him off the force. It's harder to reset subconscious biases.

mark67

(196 posts)
36. I agree..probably not racism but poor training or in the wrong line of work...
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 11:45 AM
Jul 2016

A few months ago I went with my wife to the Durham VA on a Saturday afternoon. Although the hospital has 24-hour in-patients many of the clinics are closed on Saturday and many of the hallways were deserted. After my appointment we were walking are-in-arm to exit the hospital through the Emergency/Main entrance.

A young security guard walked through the door from the outside and demanded, "What are you doing here!" He had this look of rage on his face. I'll never forget it. We said we were coming from one of the clinics and he seemed to consider this and then he turned around and walked out without saying anything. To put this in perspective we are both pushing 50.

I'm sure that under any other circumstances I could have a beer with that guy, etc...but clearly some people are in the wrong line of work, or I agree, they are only getting Mickey Mouse training.

 

406-Boz

(53 posts)
40. Most cops are just assholes
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:34 PM
Jul 2016

I was walking out of a hospital in a small city after my wife's surgery, she had just been discharged after 2 days in the hospital. She had her face bandaged up with one bandage wrapping her head, she was clearly a patient. I was supporting her with my left hand and as usual had my cane in my right hand. A city motorcycle cop had just pulled a car over, the driver had turned off the street and into the hospital parking lot, cop approaching the motorist. As he left his motorcycle and approached the car he noticed me on the sidewalk about 50 feet away with my bandaged wife, he stopped and stared at me. It occurred to me that he might be thinking my cane was a gun, after he'd stared for a while I gave him a smile and turned away, only then he resume his biz with the motorist. I walk with a metal cane, it's shiny and light colored, I'm now thinking that I'm not safe traveling with the cane or anywhere I'm likely to encounter a cop. I was 68 when this incident occurred, it wasn't the first time, once I was walking down the street in a different city and a cop stopped the cruiser to check me out. I recently saw a video of a disabled man being shot down by a trooper as he exited his vehicle with a cane in his hand, that did nothing to make me feel less apprehensive. Most cops are just dimwit assholes, kinda fits their job description. And save the critique, I don't ever call the cops, that isn't going to happen.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
42. No, not poorly trained...
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:08 PM
Jul 2016

like Ice Cube said- "they have the authority to kill a minority". They just weren't successful this time.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
14. "Sorry, man, I didn't know it was you." As for any civilian he might have shot or will shoot,
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 09:48 PM
Jul 2016

"Well fuck them. They were resisting."

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
3. Police want NO RISK at all. They just shoot because no downside. Imagine any armed citizen using...
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 09:12 PM
Jul 2016

that as an excuse. Life in Prison.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
35. "They just shoot because no downside" EXACTLY............
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 09:14 AM
Jul 2016

They know they can do anything they want and will not be called to account for it. In the rare instance that they are even indicted, they aren't convicted. The police are a farce. But it's a deadly farce.

Bettie

(16,090 posts)
7. So, what about before that....like two weeks ago
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 09:18 PM
Jul 2016

when they were still emptying their guns into people at traffic stops?

So, now, we should just say "Well, it's OK if you shoot even more innocent people because some of you were killed"? Is that it?

M0rpheus

(885 posts)
10. Not an excuse by any means..
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 09:36 PM
Jul 2016

I'm on edge in all dealings with law enforcement, for good reason.
And yet, somehow I haven't hurt a single LEO.

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
15. And most cops haven't hurt a single civilian.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 09:49 PM
Jul 2016

There are approximately 40,000,000 police-civilian contacts in a given year.

I'm not excusing this cop. He shouldn't be a cop, and applicants should be more carefully screened, but given the number of contacts, there are bound to be mistakes and accidents.

http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=70

M0rpheus

(885 posts)
19. "With great power comes great responsibility"
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 10:38 PM
Jul 2016

"There are bound to be mistakes and accidents" that they are rarely called to account for.

If I mistakenly shoot someone, its assault with a deadly weapon.
If I mistakenly kill someone, I'm going up for manslaughter, at least.

I don't expect perfection from any human being, but I do expect consequences for the actions they take.

The anger out here toward police is because there is very little justice for the people they hurt or kill.

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
21. I don't think your premises are correct.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 11:03 PM
Jul 2016

You may be guilty of a crime. You may be liable for a tort. But the law looks at the entirety of the circumstances, case by case, and then determines culpability.

You have no argument with me that the cop in your story should not be cop; you have no argument from me that this event needs to be investigated, and if there is evidence of criminality this cop should be tried. But there is a reason why cops are on edge this week, and I can't blame them for that.

M0rpheus

(885 posts)
28. I jumped past the *MAY*. Because in my experience *MAY* requires money or status.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 11:43 PM
Jul 2016

While my family scrounges up the funds for a retainer and bail, I'll be sitting in jail for my "alleged" (innocent until proven guilty, of course) crime. If I can't afford an attorney, I'll get an overworked public defender who just wants to dispose of this case (1 of hundreds) and would prefer that I just plead out.

While an officer in the same circumstance gets time to get his story straight, a union rep to hold his hand and a union provided attorney to negotiate his bail (which, they will then pay for him, if it gets to that). In the unlikely event that it actually goes to trial, it's likely that a jury will be sympathetic.

As the son of an attorney... I will just say that the system is almost as flawed as the people who make it run, and just leave it there.

I don't have any beef with you on the officer being wrong and undeserving of the job. I posted the OP for that very reason. However, if they are on edge (understandably), should someone innocent end up shot?

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
12. You say...
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 09:45 PM
Jul 2016
"Or they're on edge because of several recent police assassinations.'


Sadly it is the police that are assassinating unarmed black men in unprecedented numbers. Think how edgy they might be.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
25. Yes, young black men ACROSS THE NATION are still 21 times more likely to be shot by police...
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 11:12 PM
Jul 2016

... by the numbers

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
32. Your very first link validates what sheshe2 said.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 12:24 AM
Jul 2016

Did you even look at the links you posted?

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
38. They're not good with math
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 11:50 AM
Jul 2016

Or stressful situations
Or training
Or criticism
Or community relations

Response to lapucelle (Reply #4)

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
34. Can you take us from "on edge" to shooting a man with his hands out while laying on the ground?
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 08:12 AM
Jul 2016

Can you take us from "on edge" to shooting a man with his hands out while laying on the ground?

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
44. It can clearly be argued that if one cannot perform their duties appropriately ...
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:19 PM
Jul 2016

... they should be relieved of their position for the public's safety and their own well being.

bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
5. I just watched this
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 09:14 PM
Jul 2016

Horrible horrible shooting! Seriously, folks. The only positive takeaway is that the officer said "I don't know" when he asked why they had shot him. Also, he's alive -- but this was a horrible shooting.

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
30. This
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 12:07 AM
Jul 2016

Cops are conditioned throughout their training that everybody is out to get them. They're basically told if they don't shoot first they won't be coming home to their family.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
37. Let the DEEP INVESTIGATION into the victim's BACKGROUND commence!
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 11:47 AM
Jul 2016

Come on, humpers! You can find some way to smear this man!

Midnight Writer

(21,745 posts)
45. Notice how cautious this news report is. "He claims", "He says his hands were up", etc
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 02:57 AM
Jul 2016

News folk, you have it ON VIDEO. It is right there, for anyone to see. The autistic person was clearly not holding a gun, the victim was clearly holding his hands up, he was clearly telling the police the truth of the situation, he was clearly trying to de-escalate the whole scene, he was desperately trying to protect his patient.

There is simply no gray area here. This guy was acting properly, even heroically, cooperating fully, and he still got shot.


Straw Man

(6,623 posts)
46. There was no excuse for this shooting.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 03:19 AM
Jul 2016

I will defend the actions of cops when I believe the circumstances merited the use of lethal force -- which they sometimes do -- but that is clearly not the case here.

rafeh1

(385 posts)
47. Send pd to uk
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 03:29 AM
Jul 2016

Send pd to uk for non violent policing training
Much better than 1 shot 1 kill training given by israel

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
48. The cop that shot this man, needs to have his badge and gun taken away.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:09 AM
Jul 2016

People like him have no business being in law enforcement. None whatsoever.

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