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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,157 posts)
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:41 AM Jul 2016

I predict Trump's address tonight might be viewed as the historically worst acceptance speech....

...from any major party candidate, at least in the modern era.

And that's all prejudices aside, mind you. I'm thinking purely objectively here.

Because either Trump speaks using off of a teleprompter with something prepared by speechwriters (probably not Meredith McIver, though) and sounds extremely stifled, unnatural and insincere as he typically does in that situation....

....or.....

He doesn't use a teleprompter and goes into his usual rambling, incoherent self-promoting blabbering we've heard on the campaign trail, rattling off his various business entities and delving into shallow personal attacks and grandiose yet vague posturing.

I don't know. It just seems like a no-win situation for him.

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I predict Trump's address tonight might be viewed as the historically worst acceptance speech.... (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2016 OP
I don't know. I heard this guy John Barron talk about this being the bestest, classiest big league Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2016 #1
Is he going to take the opportunity to sell exboyfil Jul 2016 #2
I think... Else You Are Mad Jul 2016 #3
That gave me a good laugh, thanks. onecaliberal Jul 2016 #10
but ratings will be high. he has created drama and interest unblock Jul 2016 #4
It will henceforth be known as the Cleveland Steamer. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2016 #6
and his cleveland brownshirts? unblock Jul 2016 #7
I doubt it. So far the ratings are down from 2012 which was down from 2008..... Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #22
I don't know why they drag these things on so long anyway. arcane1 Jul 2016 #30
Trump's totally boring on teleprompter C_U_L8R Jul 2016 #5
Me too. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2016 #11
Yeah, if he is on the TelePrompTer he sounds robotic. PearliePoo2 Jul 2016 #8
I notice he does the nasal thing... tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #25
He'll probably start on teleprompter greymattermom Jul 2016 #9
The O symbol his little hands Mendocino Jul 2016 #12
I'm hoping for the Full Queeg . . . a rambling, paranoid rant that just goes on and on and on . . . hatrack Jul 2016 #13
So basically - "Mussolini on crystal meth"! Me too, along with whether bullwinkle428 Jul 2016 #14
"Strawberries ..." OldHippieChick Jul 2016 #34
Is he going to promote his vision for America NewJeffCT Jul 2016 #15
The problem is that the Corporate Media will lower the bar. If he says his name right, they'll call Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #16
Both his sons speeches were highly crafted piles of crap. I imagine his will be the same Johonny Jul 2016 #17
And the MSM praised both of those stupid speeches to the skies, just as they tblue37 Jul 2016 #23
I don't think he can help himself... tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #26
Trump supporters will love it no mattee what he says (nt) bigwillq Jul 2016 #18
In a few years from now, but given what the media have declared GOOD performances at the Convention Mass Jul 2016 #19
Yes, they've given him a free pass LuvNewcastle Jul 2016 #24
If they had the ability to sense it Different Drummer Jul 2016 #31
"Poor Donald. He can't help it." lpbk2713 Jul 2016 #20
I Hope He Decides SDJay Jul 2016 #21
From your lips (fingers) tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #27
yeah but watch the MSM slobber all over it gopiscrap Jul 2016 #28
WRONG ! left-of-center2012 Jul 2016 #29
If he's not scripted, it will be the greatest Different Drummer Jul 2016 #32
I heard it starts, "Four score and seven years ago..." merrily Jul 2016 #33
And what a contrast to Bill Clinton's 2012 speech Nevernose Jul 2016 #35
Bill Clinton is an absolute master at seemlessly ad libbing speeches. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2016 #36
And his other public speaking gifts Nevernose Jul 2016 #37

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,500 posts)
1. I don't know. I heard this guy John Barron talk about this being the bestest, classiest big league
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:43 AM
Jul 2016

speech. I gotta say he sounded convincing.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
2. Is he going to take the opportunity to sell
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:44 AM
Jul 2016

Trump branded products? The only time I have ever listened to him for an extended period it was like the QVC channel (water, steaks, etc.)

unblock

(52,164 posts)
4. but ratings will be high. he has created drama and interest
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:45 AM
Jul 2016

the whole convention could have been a boring formality.

not likely be design, but like a bull in a china shop, he created drama.

his speech will be boring, but it will be watched.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
22. I doubt it. So far the ratings are down from 2012 which was down from 2008.....
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:26 PM
Jul 2016

Night Three, last night, very much down from Night Three 2012. 2012 was Mitt Fest, a study in boredom and chagrin and it outpaced this year.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
30. I don't know why they drag these things on so long anyway.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:33 PM
Jul 2016

One day's worth of actual work being done, then days of boring speeches

C_U_L8R

(44,996 posts)
5. Trump's totally boring on teleprompter
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:45 AM
Jul 2016

and unprompted, he's totally sarah-palin-word-salad-batshit.
I'm hoping for the more entertaining option.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
8. Yeah, if he is on the TelePrompTer he sounds robotic.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:54 AM
Jul 2016

Plus, he has that "sniffling " nasal breathing thing that is beyond distracting. BUT, if he goes unscripted, there's the almost certainty he says some weird off the wall shit and insults people or go all CT. His handlers are saying prayers he stays scripted but he's a sociopath, so who the hell knows?

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
25. I notice he does the nasal thing...
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:16 PM
Jul 2016

during what the media considers "big speeches". Meaning, I think he takes something (speed?) beforehand. If this trend continues tonight, I think it will be worse than ever!

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
9. He'll probably start on teleprompter
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 10:56 AM
Jul 2016

but when he doesn't get the applause he wants, he'll go off it. So, my guess is that we will see both bad Trumps in one speech.

Mendocino

(7,484 posts)
12. The O symbol his little hands
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 11:04 AM
Jul 2016

constantly gesticulate, I can't decide whether that represents his mouth or his butthole since the same crap pours out of each.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
14. So basically - "Mussolini on crystal meth"! Me too, along with whether
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 11:17 AM
Jul 2016

we see "Melanoma" up on the stage with him.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
15. Is he going to promote his vision for America
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 11:26 AM
Jul 2016

or, is he going to just use it to bash Hillary on emails, Benghazi, Vince Foster, etc.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
16. The problem is that the Corporate Media will lower the bar. If he says his name right, they'll call
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 11:31 AM
Jul 2016

it great!

Johonny

(20,827 posts)
17. Both his sons speeches were highly crafted piles of crap. I imagine his will be the same
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 11:35 AM
Jul 2016

the only way it will be interesting is if he goes of script.

tblue37

(65,269 posts)
23. And the MSM praised both of those stupid speeches to the skies, just as they
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 02:37 PM
Jul 2016

praised Melania's speech, until someone pointed out that it was plagiarized. Even now they still praise Melania's stage presence and offer her sympathy for the screw-up.

Mass

(27,315 posts)
19. In a few years from now, but given what the media have declared GOOD performances at the Convention
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 11:50 AM
Jul 2016

I have no doubt they will find his performance excellent.

They judged Pence and Melania (pre-plagiagate), great, and talked about Don Jr as a future candidate to the presidency, so, short of Trump coming on stage drunk (he does not dring), or people throwing tomatoes at him, they will find this good.

LuvNewcastle

(16,843 posts)
24. Yes, they've given him a free pass
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:00 PM
Jul 2016

for the last year or so. Why should tonight be any different? If he gives a mediocre speech, they'll praise it to the skies. Americans are really being played in this election. I wonder how many can sense that there is something deeply wrong about all of this, even if they aren't sure what it is.

SDJay

(1,089 posts)
21. I Hope He Decides
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 12:17 PM
Jul 2016

to use this opportunity to right all the wrongs that have been foisted upon him by all those meanies in the liberal media, those who live in the reality universe and those who DARE criticize him.

I hope the entire damn thing is all about Drumpf and how he's been wronged. C'mon, Yammering Yam... whine for 45 minutes straight for me. Please proceed.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
29. WRONG !
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:29 PM
Jul 2016

Trump has already said this will be the best speech ever given in American history.
Or was it world history?

He said his wife's speech was the best political speech ever given. ('course, he didn't give credit to Michelle Obama)

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
35. And what a contrast to Bill Clinton's 2012 speech
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:28 PM
Jul 2016

Where he ad-libbed and the talking heads were so blown away.

Trump MIGHT be able to read off the TelePrompTer, so long as he doesn't think about it. If tbe speech is longer than ten minutes or so there's a very real chance he wanders off script in search of the live auddience's applause, never realizing how dumb he sounds to the rest of the world.

And you know why he sounds dumb so often? Because he's not a very smart man. He does have the certain low cunning of a sociopath wherein he can say things until he perceives an emotional response and then solicit more such responses. Buts that not the same as intelligence: that's how my dog operates.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,157 posts)
36. Bill Clinton is an absolute master at seemlessly ad libbing speeches.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:33 PM
Jul 2016


http://articles.latimes.com/1993-09-23/news/mn-38221_1_wrong-speech


Wrong Speech Pops Up on TelePrompTer

September 23, 1993| Associated Press

WASHINGTON — It was billed as the most important speech of Bill Clinton's presidency. It was also--for a few minutes--the wrong speech.

When Clinton stepped to the lectern Wednesday night to speak about health care, there was a TelePrompTer in front of him to scroll the text of his speech. The machine began displaying a speech, but it was the Feb. 17 address that Clinton delivered the last time he went before a joint session of Congress.

The President made a quick comment to Vice President Al Gore, seated behind him, and Gore immediately left to alert aides.

"It took five to seven minutes to fix while he was speaking," said David Dreyer, a communications staffer. Undeterred, Clinton went on talking.




Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
37. And his other public speaking gifts
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 08:38 PM
Jul 2016

(Amazing story, by the way, one of the few I hadn't ever heard)

Bill is really good at taking complex issues and breaking them down so that they maintain their integrity and nuance while at the same time being understandable to every redneck Bubba in Arkansas. It's kind of sad now to see how the redneck Bubbas treat him and his legacy back in Arkansas -- he's one of them, maybe more Arkansas white trash than most people the world looks down on, and he was elected president. Twice.

His other gift in interpersonal communication was just remembering people. I know a waiter at a fancy place in Little Rock, been there for years. He said Clinton came in when he was governor in the 80s, glad handed him and asked his name and all the usual politician bullshit. But then Bill went back to that restaurant, after he was president, more than fifteen years later, and remembered the waiter's name. Who does that? Who even has that ability?

IMO Bill gets a lot of flak, much of it deserved, but still did more good than bad.

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