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Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:56 PM

 

Lying Liars Who Lie: 2016 Edition (From Mormon Press?????) Holy shit!

Not a site I would normally peruse but was piqued by a post on my FB page. I was surprised to say the least.



The idea behind it is simple enough. Take the politicians who have been active enough on the national stage to get fact-checked by PolitiFact at least 50 times since the start of 2007. Look at all of their ratings and tally them. Place the tally in the chart. Not scientific by any means, but interesting. (Update 7/21/2016: Trump's "truthiness" rating, to use Nolan's criterion in his comment of "true" + "mostly true," currently sits at 11%, which is a small gain from the ~7% when the chart was made, but still well behind Michele Bachmann. Hillary's "truthiness" is at 51%, which is largely unchanged. Again, this chart is not scientific and the post is more about the response to the chart than the chart itself.)

We didn't create the graphic (the original image is here), but we shared it on our Facebook page. It promptly shattered all previous benchmarks for reach and engagement by a factor of at least 20. Almost a hundred people were so shocked by it that they hid it in their newsfeeds; twenty-seven decided they never wanted to see anything shared by MormonPress ever again; one person unliked our Facebook page.

Judging by the comments, the harsh response wasn't because the graphic claimed that Jeb(!) Bush and Joe Biden are relatively honest politicians. No, our commenters were infuriated that Hillary Clinton was rated as being rather honest. Many of the comments on the photo can be summarized as "Hillary's a lying liar who lies." One commenter suggested that Mormon "would not stand for [MormonPress's] lies." Well, I guess we'll have to ask him down the road.

But it's clear that there's something special going on regarding the public's perception of Hillary's honesty. Just today, the Blue Nation Review called out the New York Times for saying that Donald Trump (who lies constantly, particularly about being against the Iraq War) is "being creative with the truth" instead of "dishonest." I recommend reading the piece in full for the list of ways that attributes that are positives for male candidates ("experience" become negatives for Hillary ("old," "represents the past".

This tendency to read Hillary through a particular frame of "dishonest" isn't rooted in her record, especially not when one compares her to Donald Trump, the pretend successful. A journalist who has investigated Hillary claims that she is fundamentally honest. PolitiFact has gathered many truthful statements Hillary has made.

So what's going on?

Much more at http://www.mormonpress.com/lying_liars_who_lie_2016_editionhttp://www.mormonpress.com/lying_liars_who_lie_2016_edition

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Reply Lying Liars Who Lie: 2016 Edition (From Mormon Press?????) Holy shit! (Original post)
Photographer Jul 2016 OP
sarae Jul 2016 #1
Dustlawyer Jul 2016 #2
Photographer Jul 2016 #4
Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2016 #3
Warpy Jul 2016 #5
Photographer Jul 2016 #6
Binkie The Clown Jul 2016 #7

Response to Photographer (Original post)

Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:09 PM

1. K&R!

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Response to Photographer (Original post)

Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:16 PM

2. Sad that none of them are even 50% true!

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:21 PM

4. Both Sanders and Clinton hit 50% "mostly true." But you are right. It is sad.

 

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Response to Photographer (Original post)

Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:21 PM

3. k & r

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Response to Photographer (Original post)

Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:24 PM

5. I love pinning down the "Hillary is a liar" people

By asking them what lie she told. Usually they'll try to get out of it by yelling "Benghazi" or "emails." I ask them again what lie she told about either of them, going deeper into the slogans they've never thought to question.

Usually the sickening realization starts to dawn on them that they don't know if she told a lie, they splutter and insult me and stomp off.

But I have to be really, really bored.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:39 PM

6. +100

 

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Response to Photographer (Original post)

Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:40 PM

7. The link is broken. :( On Edit: Correct link

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