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DanM

(341 posts)
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:17 AM Jul 2016

We're still attacking Drumpf the same way, and I'm scared we'll get the same result.

The attacks are legitimate: he'll unleash more destruction than Hitler and more lynch mobs than the worst KKK grand wizard.

But we've predicted that these truths would keep him from, first, getting past being considered a joke candidate then, second, rising above a predicted "ceiling" of support and getting the Repug nomination.

I'm all-in on the logic that there's NO WAY Drumpf will succeed in the general election, but I was all-in on the logic that he was a joke candidate and wouldn't get even close to being nominated.

Obviously, logic isn't at work this cycle so obviously we need to completely change the attack. I'm just at a loss as to what you throw at him, if the Hitler and KKK references (which he deserves), did not yield the predicted results. I'm truly frightened.

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We're still attacking Drumpf the same way, and I'm scared we'll get the same result. (Original Post) DanM Jul 2016 OP
First choose a VP who people kacekwl Jul 2016 #1
Totally agree with you, that's the single most important factor by far. Good call-out. n/t DanM Jul 2016 #14
We need to draw him into specifics C_U_L8R Jul 2016 #2
That NATO stuff should automatically disqualify him but it won't nt maryellen99 Jul 2016 #4
There should be a mile long line of diplomats C_U_L8R Jul 2016 #6
Head of NATO released a statement yesterday to reassure people nt maryellen99 Jul 2016 #8
How are we going to do that if the news media doesn't hold his feet doc03 Jul 2016 #26
I think Senator Warren is onto it with sarcasm and ridicule. The gasbag will ignite. kairos12 Jul 2016 #3
Great point! I didn't quite think of her approach in that way, but you're right . . . DanM Jul 2016 #22
Focus on the future plans of the party yellerpup Jul 2016 #5
Psssst.... winning is everything. Mika Jul 2016 #9
We need to quit attacking Trump and help puffy socks Jul 2016 #7
Look, there's nothing more we can throw at Trump... vi5 Jul 2016 #10
You have to understand the psychology of someone like Trump piechartking Jul 2016 #11
People gave too much credit to rank-n-file R voters. stopbush Jul 2016 #12
the hatred and bigotry is what drew them to the short fingered vulgarian n/t etherealtruth Jul 2016 #17
Exactly, if TRUMP voters are sick of the status quo then kacekwl Jul 2016 #28
Have To Disagree Dan ProfessorGAC Jul 2016 #13
Perfectly good point, and I hope to God your logic is right . . . DanM Jul 2016 #25
Not really worried, Hillary and her team have got this... Wounded Bear Jul 2016 #15
But facts beat lies, when you're talking to other Dems or to Independents. rec, nt. Mc Mike Jul 2016 #16
Intensely personal ridicule is the best way to get at him. Gabi Hayes Jul 2016 #18
lots and lots of material from his stream of consciousness rants on the stump Gabi Hayes Jul 2016 #20
I've seen two or three of those commercials just this week Nevernose Jul 2016 #27
His record isn't very conservative Matrosov Jul 2016 #19
Your concern concerning this concern is concerning. eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #21
Thanks. Normally, in order to streamline threads, I don't . . . DanM Jul 2016 #23
thanks for reminding me to copy that gif logo to my favorites! Gabi Hayes Jul 2016 #24
K&R Jeffersons Ghost Jul 2016 #29
Well lets see now Andy823 Jul 2016 #30

C_U_L8R

(44,891 posts)
2. We need to draw him into specifics
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:25 AM
Jul 2016

That's where he totally discombobulates...
like yesterday with the NATO fiasco.
Trump doesn't know jackshit about
governing or world affairs or finance
for that matter. Make him explain
something anything and the world
sees what a phony jackass he is.

maryellen99

(3,781 posts)
4. That NATO stuff should automatically disqualify him but it won't nt
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:28 AM
Jul 2016

I can't stand the man but when I heard what he said about NATO yesterday it legitimately scared me.

C_U_L8R

(44,891 posts)
6. There should be a mile long line of diplomats
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:33 AM
Jul 2016

...queued up to condemn Trumps stupidity
from now until Election Day on that issue alone.
The thing about Trump is he's only good on the
attack. When he's knocked back on his heels,
he makes mistakes. If we relentlessly keep
'Il Douche' on the defense, he'll crumble.

On edit: the post below is absolutely right,
Senator Warren is showing us how it's done.
With ferocious wit...and the truth.

No prisoners.

doc03

(35,148 posts)
26. How are we going to do that if the news media doesn't hold his feet
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 03:16 PM
Jul 2016

to the fire. He has made an entire career of using the MSM for self promotion. Look at the Ted Cruz thing
he was able to use the Ted Cruz non-endorsement to his advantage. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if he
added those lines to his wife's speech either. All that did was put the convention in the headlines and
more people watched.

kairos12

(12,817 posts)
3. I think Senator Warren is onto it with sarcasm and ridicule. The gasbag will ignite.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:26 AM
Jul 2016

Welcome to DU.

 

DanM

(341 posts)
22. Great point! I didn't quite think of her approach in that way, but you're right . . .
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 12:52 PM
Jul 2016

At least it's a different avenue of attack, and there have been signs he has most trouble handling it.

yellerpup

(12,249 posts)
5. Focus on the future plans of the party
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:32 AM
Jul 2016

to include everyone. Stop reacting so much to him and talk about Democratic policies that can actually help people.

 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
9. Psssst.... winning is everything.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:38 AM
Jul 2016

For most megalomaniacal pols, winning is lifeblood's oxygen.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
7. We need to quit attacking Trump and help
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:35 AM
Jul 2016

show Hillary's true back ground.
Post it everywhere
Post Comey's comments
She did not lie to the FBI post it everywhere
Don't think it doesnt work
Thats how the GOP got all the bullshit about her spread all over.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
10. Look, there's nothing more we can throw at Trump...
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:58 AM
Jul 2016

Those that are voting for him are voting for him because he hates the right people and has agreed to act on that hate when President. Everything else is completely irrelevant.

We've got to do more than just "The other guy sucks and is scary!" That is essentially what they are doing for their voters, about Hillary.

We need to get people off the fence and give them a reason TO vote for Hillary rather than a reason to NOT vote for Trump. That part has already been done to death and has run it's course.

piechartking

(617 posts)
11. You have to understand the psychology of someone like Trump
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 10:09 AM
Jul 2016

He's terribly insecure, and there's no provocation that he won't answer. So provoke, provoke, provoke and get him off his game plan. Tear down all his accomplishments and you'll drive him to distraction. Question if he's really a billionaire, stuff like that. Dig up stuff on Melania or his kids.

stopbush

(24,376 posts)
12. People gave too much credit to rank-n-file R voters.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 10:25 AM
Jul 2016

They are the ones who elected Trump as their candidate. They embraced the hatred and voted for the hater.

There will be no similar embrace from Ds in the land, nor from the majority of Indies who vote D. Trump is making no inroads in voting constituencies outside of the most-basic R voter. Hell, there are plenty of Rs forming their own "I'm with Hillary" movements.

Your fright is unwarranted.

kacekwl

(6,993 posts)
28. Exactly, if TRUMP voters are sick of the status quo then
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 04:04 PM
Jul 2016

they would have supported Bernie but because they are racists and homophobes they are knocking on Trumps door.

ProfessorGAC

(64,413 posts)
13. Have To Disagree Dan
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 11:09 AM
Jul 2016

What we said in the primary was said from afar. Nothing we said or wrote or thought mattered to the people who vote in Republican primaries. They weren't listening to the other side. They were barely listening to the saner (or is that less crazy) parts of their own party.

We had absolutely no impact on the outcome of the republican race to the nomination.

So, we can't say that just because we thought he wouldn't win the nomination, and now say he can't win the GE that those are the same thing.

He is actually running against someone other than the other members of the same choir.

 

DanM

(341 posts)
25. Perfectly good point, and I hope to God your logic is right . . .
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 02:28 PM
Jul 2016

. . . but my fear is perfectly reasonable logic before, even in our circles, said Drumpf was a joke and he would flame out early, at best, or flame out later before being nominated, at worst.

So, now the perfectly reasonable logic is that he flames out in the GE. Dear lord, let us be right this time . . .

Wounded Bear

(58,437 posts)
15. Not really worried, Hillary and her team have got this...
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 11:22 AM
Jul 2016

Things will begin to change this weekend. At the convention, I expect some appropriate attacks against Trump, but they won't be the focus. Issues will dominate the Dem convention, as it should. Bernie will be a rabble rouser that will get the crowd up in ways far better than the hate and divisiveness that the Repubs showed. I hope Liz speaks, too, though I guess her name dropped off the list last week. She would also be an effective speaker.

Dems will lay out a vision for America going forward.

1. It's wa-a-a-ay-y-y-y less dark than Trump laid out.

2. We've made great progress in the last 8 years on many issues across the board.

3. We have a plan to build on what we've done and here it is.

Like I said, I'm not worried. Take a chillpill and relax. Enjoy the ride.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
18. Intensely personal ridicule is the best way to get at him.
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 12:40 PM
Jul 2016

One major facet of this approach is to simply go through the MYRIAD footage of him over the years, including a wealth of written material from SPY magazine, and put the best snippets up there, without comment.

I keep posting this, and I think the dems should put stuff like it up EVERY DAY:



clip off the Hillary reference; that doesn't help
 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
20. lots and lots of material from his stream of consciousness rants on the stump
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 12:47 PM
Jul 2016

somebody needs to be hired to edit these into 20-30 second clips, or longer, depending on the context, just to show how INSANE he is

the Indiana and Cincinnati speeches of a few weeks ago are virtual treasure troves for a case one could make, and they SHOULD, of either his bipolar nature, or incipient presenile dementia.

I don't see why a full frontal attack isn't being made on the issue of his competency. there are states where it only takes the testimony of two people to have somebody committed for psychiatric observation. that would make a fun ad.

one example>>>>stay out of Colorado, Donald:

Upon an affidavit sworn to or affirmed before a judge that relates sufficient facts to establish that a person appears to have a mental illness and, as a result of the mental illness, appears to be an imminent danger to others or to himself or herself or appears to be gravely disabled, the court may order the person described in the affidavit to be taken into custody and placed in a facility designated or approved by the executive director for a seventy-two-hour treatment and evaluation.


http://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/legal-resources/state-standards/emergency-hospitalization-for-evaluation

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
27. I've seen two or three of those commercials just this week
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 03:27 PM
Jul 2016

The old one where he made fun of the handicapped reporter, and s new one in which he claims to have learned foreign policy from "watching the shows." That one is particularly strong, because then there's a bit extolling Clinton's actual foreign policy experience and successes.

 

Matrosov

(1,098 posts)
19. His record isn't very conservative
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 12:40 PM
Jul 2016

People like Cruz have pointed out that Trump has previously in favor of things like universal healthcare and another assault weapons ban.

Attacking Trump on his own terms isn't going to work. He'll win a petty name calling fight every time. On the other hand, if we can keep bringing up his inconsistent conservative record and point out to his most loyal supporters that he used to support positions to which they are 100% opposed, perhaps there is at least a chance of hurting his turnout.

 

DanM

(341 posts)
23. Thanks. Normally, in order to streamline threads, I don't . . .
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 01:03 PM
Jul 2016

. . . give simple thank-you's to simple statements of agreement like yours. So the other reason I had to respond is to say your "Trump/Pence" logo is freaking hilarious!

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
29. K&R
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:04 PM
Jul 2016

and then there is a distinct possibility of computers, which accumulate information from voting machines being hacked by a variety of threatening forces.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
30. Well lets see now
Fri Jul 22, 2016, 09:12 PM
Jul 2016

He has pissed off the Spanish voters

He has pissed off the Muslim voters

He has pissed off the Asian voters

He has pissed off women voters

The only ones he has still backing him are the racists, KKK, nazi morons, and the tea baggers. I really don't think he can win with that group, do you?

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