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It's EIGHT shooters, THREE, triangulated cross-fire from height, TWO, for sure, FOUR! (Original Post) alcibiades_mystery Jul 2016 OP
I get so tired of people posting cryptic nonsense shit here with no explanation or elaboration. NBachers Jul 2016 #1
All day rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #4
And a Guy Named Elvis In A Sequined Jumpsuit. Wolf Frankula Jul 2016 #2
Media, get your shit together. pintobean Jul 2016 #3
Roto-Rooter, get your shit together. Fla_Democrat Jul 2016 #5
These things are being reported on as they're happening melman Jul 2016 #6
It's the Gun Enthusiasts who get bent out of shape over less-than-perfect initial reporting. Paladin Jul 2016 #8
Oh, is that what the OP was about? melman Jul 2016 #9
It's as good a guess as any..... (nt) Paladin Jul 2016 #11
Humans, get your shit together. Igel Jul 2016 #7
. randome Jul 2016 #10
Cops, like doctors, can't admit to their humanity or propensity for mistakes gratuitous Jul 2016 #14
the shit... it is not together 0rganism Jul 2016 #12
What fire fight are we talking about now? There have been too many lately just to guess. Rex Jul 2016 #13

NBachers

(17,107 posts)
1. I get so tired of people posting cryptic nonsense shit here with no explanation or elaboration.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 04:11 AM
Jul 2016

Clue us in on your big revelation, will you?

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
4. All day
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 07:34 AM
Jul 2016

every day.

People post totally random and utterly inscrutable stuff here. Good moderation would cut a lot of it.

Lately it's "Oh no I'm scared" posts.

Paladin

(28,252 posts)
8. It's the Gun Enthusiasts who get bent out of shape over less-than-perfect initial reporting.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:00 PM
Jul 2016

Most people realize the "chaotic and confusing" nature of news coverage of mass shooting incidents---except for the pro-gun militants, who treat any errors in the description of the make and model of the firearm(s) used as some sort of Evil Media Conspiracy. That sort of agenda-driven hysteria got old a long time ago.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
7. Humans, get your shit together.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:35 AM
Jul 2016

Problem is, people know that they screw up but they're just human.

Police aren't allowed to be human. Because if they are, we might feel compelled to understand them.

They're like Jews in that respect. They're inferior morally, the stereotype goes, but superior in intellect and cunning. So with police--they're morally inferior, but should be superhuman. All they do is intentional because they're just bad, and they really have to be perfect and omniscient.

The thing about incomplete information, it's main distinguishing feature, is that it's incomplete. The thing about chaos, it's main distinguishing feature, is that it's chaotic.

The correct inference is to assume that humans make mistakes, take steps to avoid mistakes, and when looking at chaotic and incomplete information is to wait for order and more complete information. The error isn't theirs, it's ours for being impatient, demanding, and intolerant. Before you analyze data, you need to understand your data, and one part of that is knowing its strengths and weaknesses.


(Red Dwarf: "Marooned", because an RD reference is always appropriate ...
Holly: Well, the thing about a black hole - its main distinguishing feature - is it's black. And the thing about space, the colour of space, your basic space colour, is black. So how are you supposed to see them?
Rimmer: But five of them? . How can you manage to miss five black holes?)
Holly: It's always the way, innit? You hang around for three million years in deep space and there hasn't been one, then all of a sudden five turn up at once.)

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
10. .
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:02 PM
Jul 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)
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gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
14. Cops, like doctors, can't admit to their humanity or propensity for mistakes
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 01:21 PM
Jul 2016

Charles Kinsey: "Why did you shoot me?" Initial response: "I don't know." But give it 12 or 24 hours, and we get three, four, five different explanations, none of which bear up under scrutiny. Why did they handcuff Kinsey? Nobody in the cop shop can explain that, even when they're given several chances to do so.

If we got the truth the first time out of our police, maybe we'd be a little more gracious and understanding? Trust and credibility is a two-way street. If you're square from the get-go, people are more likely to meet you halfway. But when the first response is always to close ranks, put the officer on paid leave and keep him incommunicado, and publish each and every peccadillo from the victim's past (as if the officer who shot him knew all that ahead of time), the police lose their credibility. The situation is actually pretty simple; chaos is introduced into it when the police dissemble, deflect, and deny the plain facts of what happened.

Say you fucked up. Just say it. "I made a mistake, I shouldn't have fired my rifle at that guy from 50 yards away." Well, that's something we can all work with. But when mistakes are never admitted, there's no way to improve the situation, because there's a hard core of people in authority who don't think there's anything wrong.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
13. What fire fight are we talking about now? There have been too many lately just to guess.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:47 PM
Jul 2016

Don't tease us, get your shit together!

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