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uawchild

(2,208 posts)
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:52 PM Jul 2016

Dangerous profession: Journalists killed in Ukraine since Independence

Over 50 journalists have been killed in Ukraine since the country gained independence in 1991, despite the country being considered less bound by media restrictions than its other former Soviet neighbors.


The vast majority of the murders occurred during the early years of independence, under Presidents Leonid Kravchuk (1991-1994) and Leonid Kuchma (1994-2004).

Under Viktor Yushchenko (2005-2010), only two murders took place, while there were three under Ukraine’s fourth president, Viktor Yanukovych (2010-2014.)

This is the second murder of a journalist under President Petro Poroshenko’s term outside of the conflict zone in eastern Ukraine. But so far five Ukrainian journalists and five foreign journalists have lost their lives as a result of the war.

Ukraine is one of the most dangerous places in the world to operate as a journalist, according to Freedom House.

http://www.kyivpost.com/article/content/ukraine-politics/dangerous-profession-journalists-killed-in-ukraine-since-independence-419268.html

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Dangerous profession: Journalists killed in Ukraine since Independence (Original Post) uawchild Jul 2016 OP
How many were killed in Russia? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #1
A lot uawchild Jul 2016 #2
Sure, ok Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #3
I went and checked, you responded to a title only post of mine that was so WRONG uawchild Jul 2016 #4
Thank you for posting Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #6
Ukraine and Russia equally deadly per capita. uawchild Jul 2016 #5
We should also take into account new laws and how many Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #7

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
2. A lot
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 01:18 PM
Jul 2016

The CPJ lists Russia as "the third deadliest country in the world for journalists" since 1991, exceeded in the number of deaths only by Algeria (1993–1996) and post-invasion Iraq.[15] It is more revealing, perhaps, to set Russia alongside its G20 partners — not just the USA and France, but also Saudi Arabia and China (see Table 1, in IFJ report).[16] Russia's problem, shared by certain other members of G20 (India, Brazil and Mexico), is not simply one of the number of deaths but that the killing with impunity has persisted over time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
4. I went and checked, you responded to a title only post of mine that was so WRONG
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 01:23 PM
Jul 2016

Yeah, the post was titled "apparently less than Ukraine", but that was seriously wrong. My bad.

Please accept my corrections.

Apparently following the collapse of theSoviet Union in 1991, Russia has been horrible:

Deaths and trials, statistics[edit]
The violent deaths of journalists started in the Yeltsin era (1991–1999) and continued under Putin, president of Russia from 31 December 1999 to 7 May 2008.[21] When Medvedev became president, he spoke of the need to end "legal nihilism".[citation needed] In the past five years, there have been a rising number of trials[12] but by November 2009 there had yet to be a major breakthrough, under Medvedev, either in the prosecution of pre-2008 deaths or the investigation of killings since his May 2008 inauguration. The Politkovskaya murder trial and the first arrests in the Baburova-Markelov slaying (November 2009) showed some inconclusive signs of movement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia

Let me do the math in another post here. This is eye opening.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
6. Thank you for posting
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 02:02 PM
Jul 2016

Many people wild not do that. Ukraine is at least attempting to be more free. Russia is becoming much, much worse. I feel sorry for the Russian people.

uawchild

(2,208 posts)
5. Ukraine and Russia equally deadly per capita.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 01:35 PM
Jul 2016

Ok, lets look at the per capita killing of journalists in Ukraine since 1991.

Ukraine: 50 deaths
Russia: 165 deaths

So Russia definitely had more, that's obvious.

But, Russia also has a larger population than Ukraine.

Ukraine: 45,490,000 people (that's 45.49 million)
Russia: 143,500,000 people (that's 143.5 million)

Doing the math...

Ukraine: 1.1 journalists killed per 1 million people

Russia: 1.15 journalists killed per 1 million people

SO, Duckhunter, the actual fact of the matter is that BOTH countries seem to be SIMILARLY DEADLY per capita to journalists.
I was clearly mistaken earlier.

Thanks again for making me dig deeper.

Since 1991 BOTH Ukraine and Russia have been HORRIBLE to journalists.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
7. We should also take into account new laws and how many
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 03:46 PM
Jul 2016

journalists are bring jailed and threatened. Sad all the way around.

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