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If we lose this election because of the DNC's bad behavior I'll never forgive them. (Original Post) Scuba Jul 2016 OP
... Agschmid Jul 2016 #1
We are going to win this electon on the... Mike Nelson Jul 2016 #2
I don't think it comes down to that UMTerp01 Jul 2016 #3
That's not going to happen. It appears that they are going to clean up this mess now! Tal Vez Jul 2016 #4
if we lose this election because of bad behavior OKNancy Jul 2016 #5
Thank you. Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #6
yes it is. And transparent OKNancy Jul 2016 #11
Trump won't have the numbers, despite all the help in the world by the media. Rex Jul 2016 #7
I believe Clinton will likely lose the election Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2016 #8
Why? Rex Jul 2016 #10
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #13
Sorry but the polls don't show there to be enough of the silent majority left to put him over. Rex Jul 2016 #15
My father told me he didn't know a single Son of a Bitch who voted for Nixon Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2016 #17
Oh I live in south Texas so yes I kinda know what you mean. Rex Jul 2016 #19
Except that is - thankfully! - not as important as other demographics. bettyellen Jul 2016 #36
... TDale313 Jul 2016 #12
Polls repeatedly showed him ahead of Clinton as far as beating Trump. Hissyspit Jul 2016 #100
If we lose, blame it on the collaboration between Trump, Putin, and Assange! mfcorey1 Jul 2016 #9
I will blame it on those who left us vulnerable to being exposed, not those who exposed it. Scuba Jul 2016 #16
So you're cool with "truth ers" who only attack the left. Got it. bettyellen Jul 2016 #37
Lame Scuba Jul 2016 #40
It certainly is. So much for integrity. bettyellen Jul 2016 #70
Integrity like following the DNC's own impartiality rule? Scuba Jul 2016 #73
The phony allegations tweeted with Wikileaks in no way bettyellen Jul 2016 #77
No one who actually cares about the stakes of this election gives a damn who's chairing the DNC. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #14
+1! BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #18
yep...this is just another arrow in the sling of the 'liberal media,' fueled by constant Gabi Hayes Jul 2016 #20
Relatively speaking Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2016 #21
Lose when? The alienation from mistrust could impact many future elections. HereSince1628 Jul 2016 #22
+ Eighty gazillion Scuba Jul 2016 #23
Agreed PatSeg Jul 2016 #39
+1 leftstreet Jul 2016 #46
If we lose this election it will be the fault of the EXTREME Leftists. eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #24
Yeah, let's blame them again! !! Scuba Jul 2016 #25
Since our loses are alays the fault of the extreme left, it really goes without saying who should be MohRokTah Jul 2016 #28
Damn Hippies!!! PatSeg Jul 2016 #41
Well that is the only trick they have in the bag. Rex Jul 2016 #42
If someone thinks they are treestar Jul 2016 #81
Call me paranoid... Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2016 #26
Not lastone Jul 2016 #30
Every election year there is a hue and cry from the extreme left regardless of the nominee. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #32
What is your definition PatSeg Jul 2016 #44
People who want to keep Social Security and Medicare. Scuba Jul 2016 #51
Oh, okay PatSeg Jul 2016 #59
They want unicorns and rainbows and fair elections! They're dirty, fucking hippies! Scuba Jul 2016 #62
Where is John Mitchell PatSeg Jul 2016 #87
FDR Democrats. HughBeaumont Jul 2016 #98
Yes PatSeg Jul 2016 #99
People who want marijuana legalized. People who support labor. Etc B Calm Jul 2016 #112
Even universal health care PatSeg Jul 2016 #113
Yeah those pinko commies folks. Damn them! avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #52
There is a lot of justifiable upset about the ways things were handled at the DNC. B Calm Jul 2016 #108
It's our reaction to this that puts us in peril. Chemisse Jul 2016 #27
No, it was the bad behavior that put us in peril. Scuba Jul 2016 #31
Really? Chemisse Jul 2016 #48
Trump's campaign can only exploit the DNC's bad behavior because it happened! Sheeeze. Scuba Jul 2016 #50
and people can choose whether or not to behave the way Trump wants Skittles Jul 2016 #58
Blame those who gave Trump this lever. Scuba Jul 2016 #61
I will blame the people who don't vote Skittles Jul 2016 #65
So we should all just give up? Chemisse Jul 2016 #89
That certainly isn't my position ... Scuba Jul 2016 #90
Nice! Chemisse Jul 2016 #95
Yep. They are trotting out Dukakis' "competence" argument again I noticed. bemildred Jul 2016 #29
No, it will be because a large part of society is comfortable with racism La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #33
^^^^^ THIS!!!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #93
There are prople I won't forgive if she loses but the DNC will not be at the top of that list. hrmjustin Jul 2016 #34
Each post outdoes the previous. OilemFirchen Jul 2016 #35
OFFS JoePhilly Jul 2016 #38
lol really Demit Jul 2016 #45
the dnc will be the last of our worries. GOTV. spanone Jul 2016 #43
Wow. Where is this coming from. Not even an issue unless you make it one. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #47
Current events, DWS leaving etc.. Rex Jul 2016 #49
Couldn't agree with you more. Everybody shut the fuck up and move on. Paladin Jul 2016 #55
The Republicans will be happy to make it an issue. Blame those who exposed us through bad behavior. Scuba Jul 2016 #60
This is comparable to Nixon burglarizing the DNC. That's the issue here. Who's the criminal? L. Coyote Jul 2016 #67
I can manage to care about two things at once. So can you, if you try. Scuba Jul 2016 #71
I can care about everything at once and prioritize too. So can you. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #76
You need to start more threads about this... Scurrilous Jul 2016 #53
Your concern is noted. BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #54
Don't worry, if we lose it will be all Bernie's fault and the fault his supporters... vi5 Jul 2016 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #57
Yeah, how dare people be pissed off at the DNC's bad behavior?? Scuba Jul 2016 #64
Yeah that's it! You show your country! EllieBC Jul 2016 #66
Hey, it was the DNC that opened us up to all this criticism. Me, I'm voting for ... Scuba Jul 2016 #69
Ok then I misunderstood you. EllieBC Jul 2016 #75
K&R deutsey Jul 2016 #63
Hmm. I feel the same way about fairweather dems. MyNameGoesHere Jul 2016 #68
DNC will have little to do with any election losses beachbumbob Jul 2016 #72
The DNC is supposed to be recruiting voters, not alienating them. Scuba Jul 2016 #74
Baker puts sardines in everything, blames stupid public for his business failing. Marr Jul 2016 #88
Nah, it's always the "lefts" fault. And don't forget those damn Greens. riderinthestorm Jul 2016 #78
Anyone who doesn't vote for Hillary in November will be to Blame for Any loss louis c Jul 2016 #79
Nah, we'll just blame the left. We always blame the left. Scuba Jul 2016 #80
It's not left or center or right louis c Jul 2016 #82
Right now I am being subjected to fox treestar Jul 2016 #83
Don't blame me. I didn't violate the DNC rules. Scuba Jul 2016 #84
So you are enjoying it too treestar Jul 2016 #85
There's no joy in "I told you so." Scuba Jul 2016 #86
Concern troll is concerned. Orrex Jul 2016 #91
You got that right madokie Jul 2016 #92
scuba is 100 percent correct dembotoz Jul 2016 #94
Holy shit! Hyperbole out of the ballpark! randome Jul 2016 #96
Well yeah, except for the part about undermining confidence in our party and giving ... Scuba Jul 2016 #97
Then why are the Bernie delegates causing so much trouble? liberal N proud Jul 2016 #101
Some people don't like being f*&ked up the bunger. Atman Jul 2016 #103
Maybe they will like the fascist state the US will become under Trump liberal N proud Jul 2016 #104
Maybe... Atman Jul 2016 #105
LOL!!! zappaman Jul 2016 #102
And you're helping elect the party's nominee, how exactly? Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #106
I'm helping the party. Cleaning up our mess is essential. Scuba Jul 2016 #107
Lets assume, for the sake of argument, that the party is a mess, even a hot mess. Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #110
Misplaced blame. nt arthritisR_US Jul 2016 #109
You would have the privilege of blaming whomever you want... Orsino Jul 2016 #111
If you lose the election for any reason, that's going to be the end of the world, possibly literally LeftishBrit Jul 2016 #114
Let's all remain calm. NaturalHigh Jul 2016 #115

Mike Nelson

(9,903 posts)
2. We are going to win this electon on the...
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:17 PM
Jul 2016

...good behavior of Democratic voters at the polls! Bernie Sanders will be one of the leaders in the new Senate!

 

UMTerp01

(1,048 posts)
3. I don't think it comes down to that
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:17 PM
Jul 2016

Its July. By the end of the convention this becomes less of a story. By September/October its even less so. I'm actually glad that if this was going to happen it was BEFORE the convention and not AFTER. Provides us with a reset. Bigger story is Ben Jealous supporting Hillary now that DWS is out. Bloomberg endorsing Hillary. Michelle Obama's speech. Obama, Biden, Warren out on the trail. Yes this is a big story but the appropriate steps are being taken to extinguish it and move on.

Tal Vez

(660 posts)
4. That's not going to happen. It appears that they are going to clean up this mess now!
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:18 PM
Jul 2016

The party needs to put this mess in the past. People involved should go now.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
7. Trump won't have the numbers, despite all the help in the world by the media.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:20 PM
Jul 2016

I know republican women that for the very first time in their lives are going to vote for the Democratic candidate. Trump has truly alienated MOST voters with his bombastic persona. He cannot even be nice to his loyal followers! Negative charisma won't draw in the numbers.

Having said that, I agree they better not screw this up. The only way imo HRC can lose is if the DC Insiders fuck this up for her. BS crew already said they are on board and any BS supporter saying they will vote for Trump - never meant to vote Democratic imo.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
8. I believe Clinton will likely lose the election
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:21 PM
Jul 2016

I also believe Bernie Sanders would have lost practically every state in the Union.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
10. Why?
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:23 PM
Jul 2016

Trump is polling negatively like no other person in history! What will be the thing that puts him over? I think you are completely wrong.

Response to Rex (Reply #10)

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
15. Sorry but the polls don't show there to be enough of the silent majority left to put him over.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:33 PM
Jul 2016

HRC won by standing up to the punks in Congress and brushing off every single lie and garbage gossip the media threw at her and proved to be tougher then steel.

BS doesn't even enter into the equation, you can take all of Trump and Cruz and the rests numbers and put them up against HRC and they don't even out. That is without a single BS vote.

I have to disagree, HRC has never looked more ready for the WH.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
17. My father told me he didn't know a single Son of a Bitch who voted for Nixon
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:44 PM
Jul 2016

It is not generally socially acceptable in any circle anyone here travels in to express racist or sexist opinions and certainly not express support for Donald Trump. But it is naive to think there isn't wide unspoken support for much of Trump's bullshit.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
19. Oh I live in south Texas so yes I kinda know what you mean.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:48 PM
Jul 2016

And that is why I am so surprised by the visceral hatred of Trump, granted where I live the population is mostly Hispanic. Cruz helped turn off a lot of republicans in this area, as soon as Trump started in on Mexico he lost most of the South.

The man is not smart, but yeah he no doubt has the KKK-Stormfront-Angry White Man vote. They are beyond redemption at this point.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
36. Except that is - thankfully! - not as important as other demographics.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:48 PM
Jul 2016

Angry white man voter has marginalized himself by allowing shit to get over the top. They are no longer the force they'd like to Believe they are.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
77. The phony allegations tweeted with Wikileaks in no way
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:56 PM
Jul 2016

Match the contents of the emails themselves.
Have read a dozen of the shocking ones- and there is no there there. Lol. I know you hope it will
Damage the party since we've disappointed you personally, but this is fucking laughable.
Desperate for scandal. Lol.



Http://www.amalanetwork.com/2016/07/23/shills-and-scandals-the-misleading-dncleaks-tweet-by-tweet/

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
14. No one who actually cares about the stakes of this election gives a damn who's chairing the DNC.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:31 PM
Jul 2016

If the head of the DNC is why you're voting, you have your priorities in the wrong order. It's about the candidate, the country, and the future. The DNC is a tiny little part of getting there.

BlueMTexpat

(15,349 posts)
18. +1!
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:46 PM
Jul 2016

But it seems to be very important to some to "punish" DWS because (fill in the blank).

I'm no fan of DWS for many reasons. But after seeing the crap posted by so many on DU about her during the primary season, I found myself rooting for her. I believe that she did the right thing in resigning because the same people who hated her during the primary will continue to hate on her no matter what she does. At least now, she should not distract from the Convention itself.

But in my own little rebellion against tactics that I have found abhorrent principally because the same vitriol has been directed at Hillary herself, I have contributed to DWS's campaign. And any crap I get on DU in response to my posts about that will cause me to contribute more.

I thank DWS for resigning because SHE does see the Big Picture in this election. Some still don't. But MANY MANY more do. They have their priorities in the right places and that is why we will win in November.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
20. yep...this is just another arrow in the sling of the 'liberal media,' fueled by constant
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:52 PM
Jul 2016

trumpkin screechers. this election, as always, will be decided by what the media chooses to cover, and for how long.

best examples in recent memory: bush AWOL and Kerry Swiftboating

those two fiascoes gave bush the votes necessary to keep the election close enough to let him steal it.

anybody surprised at how all trump scandals either are not covered, or have a one or two day shelf life?

what about the fricking sexual ASSAULT charges, all three of which have been SWORN to in legally binding statements, subject to PERJURY charges.

how much have you heard about that on TV, which is the only venue that matters to most people

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,355 posts)
21. Relatively speaking
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:56 PM
Jul 2016

This is really nothing compared to the RNC dumpster fire IMHO. And it looks like what happened with the emails are being addressed with DWS' resignation, so why exactly should it harm us in the long run? Some Sanders supporters aren't going to be appeased unless Bernie is nominated but there's no way that that's happening. At least the DNC is bending over to help ameliorate the situation.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
22. Lose when? The alienation from mistrust could impact many future elections.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jul 2016

This can't be forgotten and shouldn't be forgiven but rather met with a process that could ban the violaters from party endorsements, leadership and any compensated positions within the party.

PatSeg

(46,804 posts)
39. Agreed
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:52 PM
Jul 2016

This is about more than one election and one candidate. We have down ticket races that we need to win and mid-terms in two years. We need a competent impartial DNC leader.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
28. Since our loses are alays the fault of the extreme left, it really goes without saying who should be
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:29 PM
Jul 2016

blamed.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
42. Well that is the only trick they have in the bag.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:00 PM
Jul 2016

And after they got trounced in 2010, you would think they would try something new.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
26. Call me paranoid...
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:24 PM
Jul 2016

But I think we have a serious problem with republican provocateurs that are playing the extreme left like a fine musical instrument.

I just don't believe that progressive millennials are independently reviving the right wing's favorite tropes of the 1970's right on cue, all the while enthusiastically attacking Democrats.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
32. Every election year there is a hue and cry from the extreme left regardless of the nominee.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:35 PM
Jul 2016

Every election the extreme left threatens to sit it out.

Every time we lose, the extreme left must be blamed because they claimed to be sitting it out, thus the party must move to the right to compensate for an unreliable extreme left.

PatSeg

(46,804 posts)
44. What is your definition
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:05 PM
Jul 2016

of the "EXTREME Leftists"? That is not something I hear very often these days. Brings to mind Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, Bobby Seale, and Tom Hayden. I don't see anything like that now.

PatSeg

(46,804 posts)
59. Oh, okay
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:45 PM
Jul 2016

That IS pretty extreme! Bet they'll even want to increase Social Security benefits too.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
108. There is a lot of justifiable upset about the ways things were handled at the DNC.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:22 PM
Jul 2016

Bernie is encouraging his supporters to be respectful, but no one can be sure how they'll respond.

Chemisse

(30,793 posts)
27. It's our reaction to this that puts us in peril.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:28 PM
Jul 2016

It's imperative that we rise above it and go into the convention as one party.

Just think how disappointed Trump will be.

Chemisse

(30,793 posts)
48. Really?
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:14 PM
Jul 2016

If we don't let this split us into bickering factions, this will not hurt us going into November.

Except for the timing, it's really a positive development. We have finally gotten rid of DWS and we can make sure the DNC has better leadership in the future - thanks to this publicity.

Trump's people were hoping we would split right down the middle over this, Bernie people vs Hillary people, because that could give him the numbers he needs to win.

We should not be complying with his wishes. Bernie knows this. Trump is already tweeting angrily because Bernie didn't react the way he wanted.

Chemisse

(30,793 posts)
89. So we should all just give up?
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:41 PM
Jul 2016

So let's just let Trump win, because somebody did something bad and we're just so darned mad about it.

Yeah, we'll show DWS. We'll refuse to vote for Hillary. But hey, it's DWS's fault if Trump wins because of it. We can be righteously indignant the whole time the nation is being destroyed.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
29. Yep. They are trotting out Dukakis' "competence" argument again I noticed.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:31 PM
Jul 2016

The same people who claim the public is ignorant and easily led by demagogues will then claim that "competence" will get them elected.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
33. No, it will be because a large part of society is comfortable with racism
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 05:37 PM
Jul 2016

And other forms of bigotry.

Blue lives matter

Build the wall

No Muslims

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
47. Wow. Where is this coming from. Not even an issue unless you make it one.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:08 PM
Jul 2016

Which is what those seeking to divide the Dems are trying to do.

Seriously, time to MOVE ON. Maybe look at the ratfuckers and swiftboaters instead:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/04/paul_manafort_isn_t_a_gop_retread_he_s_made_a_career_of_reinventing_tyrants.html

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
49. Current events, DWS leaving etc..
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 06:16 PM
Jul 2016

It is not an issue, she is gone, BS is behind HRC, we can all move on now.

Paladin

(28,204 posts)
55. Couldn't agree with you more. Everybody shut the fuck up and move on.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:37 PM
Jul 2016

Nursing old grievances and whining about hurt feelings is just doing Trump's work for him. For God's sake, let's do everything we can to make this convention something positive---as opposed to the Chamber Of Horrors the repubs put on, last week. Bernie Sanders seems to be doing his part---how about the rest of us doing the same?

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
60. The Republicans will be happy to make it an issue. Blame those who exposed us through bad behavior.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:51 PM
Jul 2016

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
67. This is comparable to Nixon burglarizing the DNC. That's the issue here. Who's the criminal?
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:26 PM
Jul 2016

There may be another place to place some blame, those who commit criminal acts for political purposes. We should be more concerned that criminals are intervening in free and fair elections. Does this remind you of another Republican candidate?

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
56. Don't worry, if we lose it will be all Bernie's fault and the fault his supporters...
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 07:41 PM
Jul 2016

No matter how much evidence there may end up being to the contrary.

Always remember if Democrats lose, it will always be the fault of the liberals not getting on board.

Our wonderful, potent blend of glorious third way, middle of the road, focus group tested strategy can never fail. It can only be failed by dirty, stinky, pony wanting hippies.


Response to Scuba (Original post)

EllieBC

(2,961 posts)
66. Yeah that's it! You show your country!
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:25 PM
Jul 2016

Take your red wagon and go home and then be smug while a talking yam (whomever called him that was brilliant) marches your country backwards. That'll show everyone!

EllieBC

(2,961 posts)
75. Ok then I misunderstood you.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:30 PM
Jul 2016

I'm deeply confused by my American FB friends who are acting like they have this awful choice in front of them. It seems pretty easy to me. Do you want a bigot who wants to leave NATO and let Russia steamroll Eastern Europe and roll back all women's rights and gay rights or someone who will pretty much keep things moving along the path Obama established? I am not sure what's so hard about that choice.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
72. DNC will have little to do with any election losses
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 08:29 PM
Jul 2016

It will voters who put ego first and America second

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
88. Baker puts sardines in everything, blames stupid public for his business failing.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:08 PM
Jul 2016

You don't get to blame the voter for your electoral losses, sorry. The blame lies primarily with the candidate, the party infrastructure that supports them, and, lastly, the people who helped sell that candidate during the primary.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
78. Nah, it's always the "lefts" fault. And don't forget those damn Greens.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:05 PM
Jul 2016

Tsk. You know this Scuba. It's never the party or the candidate's fault.




 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
79. Anyone who doesn't vote for Hillary in November will be to Blame for Any loss
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:11 PM
Jul 2016

No excuse was valid in 1933 to vote for Hitler

And none will be valid this November in order to stop Donald Trump.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
82. It's not left or center or right
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:16 PM
Jul 2016

it's just math.

I've said many times on this site, that Bernie's supporters deserve an A in philosophy, but an F in math.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
83. Right now I am being subjected to fox
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:21 PM
Jul 2016

On the radio. They would relish your post. They are giddily happy and saying the democrats are ruined by this and are living it. They are saying party unity is damaged. They are so happy.

Add just equated all to trump versus Cruz

dembotoz

(16,739 posts)
94. scuba is 100 percent correct
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 08:45 AM
Jul 2016

never expected flowers and unicorns

but had hopes for something better than a malfunctioning septic tank

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
96. Holy shit! Hyperbole out of the ballpark!
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 09:01 AM
Jul 2016

Good God, no one gives a damn about these emails, either!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
97. Well yeah, except for the part about undermining confidence in our party and giving ...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 09:02 AM
Jul 2016

... the Republicans a sledge hammer to use against Democrats up and down the ticket.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
103. Some people don't like being f*&ked up the bunger.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:50 PM
Jul 2016

Bernie got a hell of a lot of votes, and the desire of his supporters shouldn't be cavalierly swept aside.

I'm voting for Hillary, but I'm just saddened as how the DNC has allowed this to play out. Very, very poor leadership which plays into the hands of all of the Trumpists and the fence-leaners.

liberal N proud

(60,302 posts)
104. Maybe they will like the fascist state the US will become under Trump
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:53 PM
Jul 2016

Maybe they will like going to more wars with Trump.

Maybe they will like Trump's choices for SCOTUS.

Stinky The Clown

(67,697 posts)
106. And you're helping elect the party's nominee, how exactly?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:14 PM
Jul 2016

You're just what will help. Tossing verbal hand grenades.

Stinky The Clown

(67,697 posts)
110. Lets assume, for the sake of argument, that the party is a mess, even a hot mess.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:26 PM
Jul 2016

Cleaning up a mess means a disruptive time while the scrubbing and scraping, and rearranging, and tras hauling gets done. And the n there's the time needed to bring in new supplies and furniture and drapes and blinds. After that there is the time needed to make all the new stuff your own.

No one does that on the day before 32 relatives will at your house for Thanksgiving. You do that well in advance. You do that when the disruption can be managed.

What is going on now is not the least fucking bit helpful. The risk is far too great.

What would it hurt to start the housecleaning on November 9th or 10th or 20th?

Really. What would it hurt?

The current disruption is at best quixotic and at worst, Trumpenabling.

If Trump gets in, we could well be looking at those who wanted to clean house to find a new country, because this one will be toxic..

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
111. You would have the privilege of blaming whomever you want...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:27 PM
Jul 2016

...but we're not going to lose, and if we did it wouldn't be all the DNC's fault any more than it would be Nader's.

Volunteer and canvass. We got this.

LeftishBrit

(41,192 posts)
114. If you lose the election for any reason, that's going to be the end of the world, possibly literally
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:25 PM
Jul 2016

On behalf to the entire world, please don't let this happen!!! Yes, I know the UK hasn't exactly covered itself with glory lately - but please please please don't let that fascist come to power!

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