Crazy idea: why don't we stop the madman who's running for President?

[NightWatcher]

I was a Bernie fan but now I'm a do whatever I gotta do to prevent the catastrophe that a Trump Presidency would release on civilization Fan

We can argue about the past, ideals, hypotheticals, or we can wake up and not get caught with our pants down.

I really don't want Trump. Doing anything at this point aside from voting for Hillary, does not aid in preventing a Trump presidency. A vote for a Green or Libertarian or any other protest nonsense does not work to prevent, thus enables the Hell of Trump.

Shut up, grow up, suck it up, get in line and support the single best way to defeat Trump.
(The Repukes arent going to sit on the sidelines or waste their votes.)

[Skittles]

1. you have to realize

they Hysterical Hillary Haters will *ALWAYS* be there

[merrily]

3. Did you read the OP?

[merrily]

2. Are you saying we should stop the nominee of a major party from running for President? How?

You say aside from voting. How?

[MichiganVote]

7. So are you a Clinton/Kaine supporter?

[merrily]

12. How does your question relate to my asking the OP to clarify his post?

The Op expressly said "aside from voting."

Also, as anyone who has read my posts during the past two years knows very well, I think your question is totally inappropriate. If you haven't read my posts saying that, cool, I don't blame you in the least, but it doesn't make your question less inappropriate.

[MichiganVote]

20. I ask because you have a Bernie icon but nothing on Clinton/Kaine and so I am

wondering if or how you support the current Dem. ticket? I find it confusing to see the various comments or visuals and yet not much support for the Democratic party ticket. I haven't read your posts of the past two years. Is there something that you do support on this ticket and /or platform?

Sorry, if you are, fine. If not, wondering why you hang out here?

[merrily]

21. If one of my comments has confused you, please point it out.

If you think a post of mine violates the TOS, you are, of course, free to alert on it.

Otherwise, IMO, posts here should be about issues and public figures, not about one's fellow DUers. The only personal info I've put on any message board is that I live in Boston, what my voter registration is and I have a son, but that I've volunteered and not given because someone asked.

[MichiganVote]

22. Its not your comments, as least so far as I have read, but why do you have

a Bernie icon to identify your 'support' of that primary candidate while not having a Clinton/Kaine candidacy icon or similar? I see this a lot on the message board and can't quite understand why people stay here if/when they do not support the Clinton/Kaine ticket.

[merrily]

24. I expressly checked that in ATA. Skinner had no problem with it.

Also, having a Bernie icon does not say a thing about how I will vote in November. In any event, and with all due respect, I don't think any issue you are raising is your business. I am answerable to the hosts and mods, not to any of thousands of DUers who may take it upon themselves to ask questions.

[MichiganVote]

26. Ok, so guess its a safe assumption that you are not sure about your support

of the Clinton/Kaine ticket.

[merrily]

27. Not a safe assumption at all. Baseless, in fact, but again, it's not your concern.

You don't seem to respect personal boundaries.

[boston bean]

72. Then why can't you give a straight answer. Who you voting for in November?

[merrily]

73. I can. I won't. It's none of your business and therefore

it's inappropriate for you to ask.

That's a totally straight answer.

[boston bean]

74. Well u have no problem stating you support bernie. Who was to know

You have such an issue come november.

[NAO]

40. I support [insert name here] - Democrat for President in the 20xx Election

[TwilightZone]

14. The OP said nothing about stopping Trump *from* running for president.

"stop the madman who's running for President"

[merrily]

15. "Aside from voting." So how? I'd really like the Op to explain what the OP meant by that.

[TwilightZone]

19. I think that perhaps you're misreading it.

"Doing anything at this point aside from voting for Hillary, does not aid in preventing a Trump presidency. "

In other words, vote for Hillary - doing anything other than voting for Hillary isn't going to help stop Trump. I think the point is that everything else is just a distraction and doesn't help the end result. That's my take, anyway.

[LanternWaste]

57. No doubt, the branded pretense will be the additional explanation would add relevance and context.

No doubt, the branded pretense will be the additional explanation would add relevance and context.

Aside from mowing your yard, how do propose to get your lawn looking nicer (other than the obvious and numerous answers already at everyone's disposal should they indeed, be sincere)?

[NightWatcher]

16. We stop Trump by voting for Hillary

I want to prevent him from winning. The only way to do that is by voting for Hillary.

How was I vague before?

[merrily]

17. I was not clear what your use of "aside from voting" was referencing.

Thanks for clarifying that voting was your entire meaning.

[merrily]

34. I asked the Op to clarify. He or she did and got thanked. Please rant at someone else.

[Old Crow]

36. Merrily, I think you need to change your user name.

My suggestion? crankily.

I checked and it's in the Scrabble Dictionary. You're welcome.

[merrily]

38. "Please rant at someone else" was a very mild response, considering the content of the post, which

was bad enough to get removed. Why are you piling onto a removed post with no provocation from me? And about a user name, no less?

Makes your comment seem rather ironic, no?

[Sherman A1]

47. I do not believe

that what appears to be name calling advances the discussion.

[Midnight Writer]

43. Aside from voting for Clinton, nothing else will stop Trump.

If you prefer, nothing will stop Trump aside from (except) voting for Clinton.

The post never says stop Trump from running, it says stop him from becoming President.(getting elected)

[merrily]

44. Thanks. The Op replied and clarified for me.

[Chasstev365]

4. I am quite capable of switching from Bernie to Hillary and can still think DWS was wrong

These are separate issues. What the DNC and DWS did to the democratic primary process was offensive and I don't want it to happen to candidate in a future primary. How is that a wrong view?

[NightWatcher]

6. That's a fine view...as long as you vote for Hillary

A lot of people are talking of sitting out the election or wasting a vote on a green or libertarian to punish Hillary. Punishing Hillary damns us all.

[MichiganVote]

23. You do know that DWS was not the author of these offensive emails right?

[Chasstev365]

48. The Buck Stops with Her

If she wasn't the one favoring Hillary's campaign (I highly doubt it) she should have taken action to stop it.

[MichiganVote]

49. So following your thoughts, isn't it unwise for Sanders to address the convention

when his people hacked the DNC? The buck doesn't seem to stop with him, why is that?

[Chasstev365]

51. Why Can't You Just Admit it was Wrong the Way DWS Ran the Democratic Primary?

[inchhigh]

5. Exactly!

"Shut up, grow up, suck it up, get in line and support the single best way to defeat Trump. "

Exactly. Theres is still time to nominate him. Ther'll be plenty more opportunites for symbolic ceiling breaking when the stakes aren't so high.

[MichiganVote]

8. Some of us think this is a very significant ceiling breaking moment with a female candidate.

[NightWatcher]

10. Hillary is the nominee. Hoping for chaos at the convention is insane and will help Trump.

It's too late to keep talking about Bernie. He's affected the Party Platform and that's a great thing. Bernie is out of the race. He's endorsed Hillary.

[rjsquirrel]

13. Lol

[Orrex]

50. No, there is no time to nominate him.

Honestly, we passed that point some time in April. Sanders knows this and has endorsed and supported Clinton. Recognizing the catastrophe that Trump would cause, Sanders has opted to "shut up, grow up, suck it up, get in line and support the single best way to defeat Trump."

It would be nice if Sanders' lingering supporters would act as sensibly as the man they claim to support.

[inchhigh]

58. Goodbye Democrats

Enjoy your crushing defeat in November.

We tried to save you from yourselves.

[msanthrope]

62. Bye, Felicia. nt

[inchhigh]

68. If your insinuation is that I, like Felisha (the correct spelling), am a crackhead

I must say I find that deeply insulting and offensive.

[msanthrope]

69. Googled that, did you? nt

[inchhigh]

70. Possibly

About 15 years ago the first time I heard one of my students say it. But I honestly don't remember if there was a Google back then.

[gratefultobelib]

9. Thank you!!

[roamer65]

11. We are simply going to have to try to persuade people to vote anti-Trump.

The 3 other candidates are far superior to Donny J Numbnuts.

Some people simply can't stomach Hillary, especially RW'ers. That is a fact and you are not going to change their minds. For them, a good protest vote is Gary Johnson. Encourage them to do it if they absolutely won't vote for Hillary.

Just stress to people that there are 3 other candidates who are superior to him and vote for one of those 3. The utter destruction of the Rethug party is imperative in this game.

Remember, if no one gets 270...the top three vote getters go to the H of Reps. I don't want Trumpf in those 3 if it happens.

[arely staircase]

67. So you want the GOP House to pick the president, who would be Trump

And that is your plan to defeat Trump? Have Republican house members make him president?

[Rex]

18. Yeah we are all over that.

Did someone say we were not?

[babylonsister]

25. Please. Don't tell anyone what to do. nt

[NightWatcher]

30. Like you just did?

I think that suggesting we Democrats on Democratic Underground elect the Democratic nominee in order to defeat a fascist demagogue, is well within the protocol and decorum here.

Do you have a problem with my suggestion?

Do you want to see Trump elected?

Unless you want a President Trump, what's the problem?

[babylonsister]

39. I don't want to see opinions and facts

tamped down.

PS Don't you dare suggest who I might vote for. And no, it won't be trump.

[Will Morningstar]

28. ***BREAKING NEWS***CBSN confidently predicts WASSERMAN SCANDAL will be our MELANIA FIASCO***

Looks like they're right. This will be my last post on this thread. They're making a monkey out of you, NightWatcher. I can't stand to watch.

Hello Mr. President.

[Will Morningstar]

29. They're just making a monkey out of you, NightWatcher. I can't stand to watch. Goodnight.

[grubbs]

31. Should be a non issue at this point

The TOS clearly state that members will support the nominee. If one has a problem with supporting Hillary they should go elsewhere. They will find no succor here.

[prarie deem]

33. So behind this message

I live in terror of a Trump presidency. And though I am new to this discussion group, I have been a political & campaign participant for years. More than I care to admit actually. But we Democrats are historically famous for shooting ourselves in the foot with high minded idealism.

Don't get me wrong - I love high minded idealism - but to be effective it must be crafted to exist in the real world. So anyone voting for a third party candidate, wrapping themselves in the cloak of moral superiority because they are above a politician like Hillary Clinton - then I say thanks for a Trump presidency and the pervasive havoc it will visit on our country and the world.

You want to reform the party more to the left - I love it! Do it over the next four years through whatever viable means there are - but for now the ONLY thing you can do to stave off the gutting of the liberal agenda is to vote for Hillary. A third party vote may appeal to some sanctimonious vanity or need to make a political statement - but guess what, no one cares. However, we will all care about the extreme right wing agenda and the appointed justices that will make that conservatism a reality for the next 30 years.

[maddiemom]

35. Well said!

[underahedgerow]

37. This is how things don't get done. You need to clarify the intent, state the reason, and provide

the solution. You have to appeal to people like you do children and dogs, and create a redirection. Instead of telling kids and dogs NOT to do something (ergo screaming NO!!!!!!!) a billion times a day, you say 'That's not a good idea, do this instead please'. Redirect the focus from the bad, to the good.

The only way to STOP trump, who is clearly not fit for office for reasons that could reach from here to the moon, is to vote for Mrs. Clinton.

Throw your 100%, non-wavering, no holds barred support behind Mrs. Clinton, coming up with every possible reason to vote for her at every opportunity, as loudly as possible. If you can't find enough genuine reasons to vote for Mrs. Clinton, the only reason you need is the fact that she's not trump. Seriously, that's enough.

Although, I gotta say, it would be fun as hell for trump to get in there and watch him do his shit. Seriously, what's the worst that could happen? It really, truly WOULD shake up this stale establishment, and rewrite history and the political makeup of the USA, and I gotta tell ya, that constitution andwhole states rights thing definitely needs some revision. Shit's not working.

Sometimes you have to deconstruct something and put it all back together to make it work better. Heck, that's 98% of my work, is undoing other people's crappy, slipshod work and putting it back together in a better, streamlined and more efficient and effective system that will perform effectively for decades, with the capability of upgrading and improving as technology changes.

We tried to have Obama shake shit up, and he did some amazing work, but was obviously thwarted at every step by established rules and protocols. And he's succeeded mightily in spite of the overwhelming obstacles.

I think the panic over trump is unwarranted. What I'm seeing is people terrified of a game changer. Yeah, he's a nutter, and has serious social problems, but it wouldn't be the end of the world, and it might be the start of a USA 2.0. Maybe not a bad thing.

[TeamPooka]

41. Just watched Samantha Bee's special where she buses around and interviews regular voters in PA

very scary listening to the regular folk who love Trump.

[Laha]

42. Shut up, grow up, suck it up, get in line and support the single best way to defeat Trump.

That kind of talk is a great way to make people think you're nothing more than just another asshat sitting on their high horse.

I have no vote here, and definitely believe a Democratic presidency will be far better than a Republican one. Doesn't really matter who your figurehead is most of the time, all you're doing is giving one segment of the population the misguided feeling they get to be more obnoxious than anyone else for four years.

But the bullshit with the DNC was extremely obvious to outside observers, and once again it looks like the people got rolled by the leadership of your country. If you don't allow the dialogue that points this out and just keep painting Sanders supporters like children just for bringing it up, you are only setting yourselves up to get rolled again.

And I don't want to care, but your bullshit always affects the rest of the world.

How about everyone "suck it up" and be big enough to talk about these issues without pretending the people who are, are just whiny, petulant children?

[SammyWinstonJack]

59. +1000000!

[raven mad]

45. LOL! Sorry -

Nixon.

[raven mad]

46. Um. Another Bernie supporter voting Hillary.

and fuck 'em if they can't take the fact she's smarter, more experienced, and does not deal well with bullshit.

[NaturalHigh]

52. I fully intend to vote for Clinton...

but I don't need you telling me to "get in line." It's my vote, not yours, and frankly it's none of your business what I do with it.

My wife is voting third party, and I have no intention of telling her to "get in line." We're in Oklahoma, so it's going red either way.

[Hissyspit]

53. "Shut up, grow up, suck it up, get in line..."

Disgusting.

[prayin4rain]

54. Agreed. n/t

[Blue_Tires]

55. Because hacked e-mails are much, much more important

[Johnny2X2X]

56. People have no idea

The consequences of this election should Trump win will temake America for generations. Economic collapse, freedom gone, hard fought for rights revoked, prison system expanded 10 fold to hold all the people Trump views as subhuman, many major wars on tap, torture of anyone who opposes the new dictator. This is not hyperbole, each and every American's life will be changed with Trump, no one will be spared. There will be no checks and balances and an election will not be a real one in 2020 when only Trump supporters are allowed to vote.

[SammyWinstonJack]

60. BOO!

[sarcasmo]

61. Kick to the top

Trump/Putin 2016


David Duke for sec def

[lpbk2713]

63. Mad Man indeed.

[Skittles]

64. why do you say WAS a Bernie fan

say I *AM* a Bernie fan

[tavernier]

65. Easy. Hillary will get a ten point bounce

and Fingers will quit in a huff, blaming the party for giving him a third rate, cheap and crappy convention (which btw is true), and Mitt will step in to save the day.

[JjohnsonAZ]

66. I agree, Don must be stopped at all costs

Trump's draconian policies will destroy this country, and will do great harm to our ties with other nations. Plus his insane VP is a heartbeat away from the Presidency.

I still find it astonishing that he has so much support among Americans, despite his insane ramblings.

[Bettie]

71. I'm voting for her

I live in a swing state, though, it is a "small, mostly-white, flyover state", which I heard over and over from Clinton's supporters right here makes it irrelevant and my vote worthless, but I'll vote for her.

There will be zero enthusiasm or hope that anything will change in a positive way, but I'll vote for her because Trump would be much worse.

So, yeah, I'm shutting up and doing as I'm told, but I'm not going to pretend to be overcome with joy over someone who I don't believe in.