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RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:13 PM Jul 2016

FBI Suspects Russia Hacked DNC; U.S. Officials Say It Was to Elect Donald Trump

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/25/fbi-suspects-russia-hacked-dnc-u-s-officials-say-it-was-to-elect-donald-trump.html?via=mobile&source=twitter


The FBI suspects that Russian government hackers breached the networks of the Democratic National Committee and stole emails that were posted to the anti-secrecy site WikiLeaks on Friday. It’s an operation that several U.S. officials now suspect was a deliberate attempt to influence the presidential election in favor of Donald Trump, according to five individuals familiar with the investigation of the breach.


The theory that Moscow orchestrated the leaks to help Trump, who has repeatedly praised Russian President Vladimir Putin and practically called for the end of NATO, is fast gaining currency within the Obama administration because of the timing of the leaks and Trump’s own connections to the Russian government, the sources said on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing and developing quickly.
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FBI Suspects Russia Hacked DNC; U.S. Officials Say It Was to Elect Donald Trump (Original Post) RockaFowler Jul 2016 OP
Watch for that on the evening news liberal N proud Jul 2016 #1
Thinking the same thing RockaFowler Jul 2016 #2
It's actually getting traction in the M$M... Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #15
It will be displaced by Benghazi and emails. kairos12 Jul 2016 #22
K & R ......for visibility.. Wounded Bear Jul 2016 #3
Snowden and Greenwald were unavailable for comment Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #4
Is Snowden still in Russia? nt Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 #29
Let's not forget what happened there was a break-in at the DNC. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2016 #5
I don't think anybody considers Trump anywhere near Nixon. Trump is not the puppetmaster here... apnu Jul 2016 #38
Agreed about Trump. But Paul Manafort is intelligent and seems a bit sketchy emulatorloo Jul 2016 #53
It's ironic that the republicans... Blanks Jul 2016 #6
Richard Engel is reporting this now, too (NBC News) RockaFowler Jul 2016 #7
Not only that Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #16
No shit... tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #8
I find this to be scary shit get the red out Jul 2016 #9
I asked for evidence, this is good. Avalux Jul 2016 #10
Snowden is hanging out with the KGB, just another way to screw America! imanamerican63 Jul 2016 #11
K&R napkinz Jul 2016 #12
Aren't Putin and Trump BFFs now? Initech Jul 2016 #13
So the problem is the hack ymetca Jul 2016 #14
Is it impossible for you to condemn Russians meddling with our election to help Trump? SunSeeker Jul 2016 #17
So the content of the emails has no meaning to you at all? Ford_Prefect Jul 2016 #25
How silly... ymetca Jul 2016 #32
You could care less that Russians are hacking to help Trump? SunSeeker Jul 2016 #37
How did this help Trump exactly? ymetca Jul 2016 #39
It helps Trump's narrative delegitimizing Hillary. SunSeeker Jul 2016 #42
Don't you mean "re-absorbing"? ymetca Jul 2016 #46
No. "Incriminating" is a loaded word. There is nothing criminal in those emails. SunSeeker Jul 2016 #47
Duly noted ymetca Jul 2016 #49
Good god....really??!?!!! AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #44
So.. ymetca Jul 2016 #50
We may not be able to get rid of Putin, but we sure as hell can put the brakes on Trump. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #55
Are you serious? lakercub Jul 2016 #23
An American election, American democracy is being manipulated by a Ilsa Jul 2016 #43
K & R for exposure. SunSeeker Jul 2016 #18
Manafort is about to get into deep shit. joshcryer Jul 2016 #19
He thrives in deep crap. It his milieu. ksoze Jul 2016 #24
Its not the medium its the message ksoze Jul 2016 #20
Watergate II Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #21
Digital Edition Metric System Jul 2016 #26
Putin helps the stupidest people in our country put in the stupidest nazi as our prez. rec, nt. Mc Mike Jul 2016 #27
If it was to elect Donal Trump, then we should not take the bait! We need to UNIFY NOW!!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2016 #28
No one seems to be thinking about this reason Sam1 Jul 2016 #30
I've been thinking about it, and I agree with you. amandabeech Jul 2016 #48
so, why didn't they hack the RNC? spanone Jul 2016 #31
Well, that's precisely the point. Il_Coniglietto Jul 2016 #35
I just read an interview with Assange on Democracy Now. Avalux Jul 2016 #36
Why didn't they just do it the legal way? ... aggiesal Jul 2016 #33
should we refer to "The Russians" as War Pigs Jul 2016 #34
two fascists ... napkinz Jul 2016 #40
Time to start calling Donald Trump "Traitor Don"... n/t backscatter712 Jul 2016 #41
K&R LW1977 Jul 2016 #45
#ComradeTrump - leader of the Republican-Russian Cabal - is betraying America RapSoDee Jul 2016 #51
Can the FBI subpoena his tax returns? n/t teenagebambam Jul 2016 #52
Why would Russia want to have Trump elected? notadmblnd Jul 2016 #54

Blue Idaho

(5,038 posts)
15. It's actually getting traction in the M$M...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:00 PM
Jul 2016

The FBI has already identified one group of Russian hackers that have previously hacked the White House and the State Department. Now they are tied to hacking the Democratic Party.

The question to ask is, where was Wiki Leaks during the republican convention? Why no dump on trump?

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,153 posts)
5. Let's not forget what happened there was a break-in at the DNC.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:26 PM
Jul 2016

And Donald Trump's nowhere near as smart as Nixon, nor does he possess the very faint sliver of humanity that Nixon had.

apnu

(8,749 posts)
38. I don't think anybody considers Trump anywhere near Nixon. Trump is not the puppetmaster here...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 05:00 PM
Jul 2016

...he is the puppet, that much is clear. Trump is W Bush 2.0: an easily led and controlled buffoon. Global forces see an opportunity to influence America into a leader that, they think, would favor them in some way. Either because they already have connections with Trump or they think Trump is that stupid and that predictable they can manipulate him into doing what they want, or both.

emulatorloo

(44,063 posts)
53. Agreed about Trump. But Paul Manafort is intelligent and seems a bit sketchy
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 03:36 PM
Jul 2016

Not jumping to conclusions yet but will be interested to see what FBI turns up.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
6. It's ironic that the republicans...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:28 PM
Jul 2016

Have ties to the Russians. Do you suppose Trump will use this opportunity to tell everyone that we were big allies with them in 'The Big One'.

RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)
7. Richard Engel is reporting this now, too (NBC News)
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:28 PM
Jul 2016

Richard Engel ?@RichardEngel · 50s50 seconds ago

An American cyber security expert says Russia hacked DNC emails to help Trump win presidency because he’s seen as pro-Putin, less pro-NATO.

Blue Idaho

(5,038 posts)
16. Not only that
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:02 PM
Jul 2016

But The Trump campaign worked to soften the republican platform on America's commitment to NATO.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
10. I asked for evidence, this is good.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:49 PM
Jul 2016

I am now taking the Russian hacking to help Trump story out of the conspiracy theory category.

ymetca

(1,182 posts)
14. So the problem is the hack
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:59 PM
Jul 2016

...and not the malfeasance of the DNC?

Does no one see the neocon obfuscation here?

Ford_Prefect

(7,870 posts)
25. So the content of the emails has no meaning to you at all?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:19 PM
Jul 2016

The fact that no one has denied that DNC staff members wrote the emails which were released at, yes, a very awkward time?

Forest and trees here folks.

Trump and Putin shouldn't do nasty things to the Democratic party = true.

The DNC shouldn't engage in nasty things done to fellow Democrats = also true. (hint: It is in the bylaws of the democratic party that way for a reason.)


ymetca

(1,182 posts)
32. How silly...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:35 PM
Jul 2016

... I couldn't care less whether it was "the Russians", or your neighbor's teenager who did the hack. It's this ridiculous neocon march to war I find appalling. Especially coming from the supposed Democratic side of the equation.

ymetca

(1,182 posts)
39. How did this help Trump exactly?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 05:16 PM
Jul 2016

The MSM is going to spend days trotting out so-called "experts" to warn us of the unprecedented dangers of Russia meddling in our politics at the supposed behest of a candidate the neocons detest. Follow the money. It leads to nowhere but more defense spending.

SunSeeker

(51,512 posts)
42. It helps Trump's narrative delegitimizing Hillary.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 06:53 PM
Jul 2016

It depresses the Dem vote. In other words, it helps Trump get elected. Putin desperately wants anti-NATO Trump elected so he can engage in absorbing eastern European states without fear of those states bring defended by NATO.

ymetca

(1,182 posts)
46. Don't you mean "re-absorbing"?
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 02:47 PM
Jul 2016

And besides, if there was nothing incriminating in the emails it wouldn't be an issue, right?

Putin regained power precisely because of the West "inviting" those former Soviet satellites right on Russia's border into NATO.

It's not like we're not busy hacking them for political reasons either.

All this ginned up hysteria has a purpose, if not nefarious, but maybe simply to CYA.

SunSeeker

(51,512 posts)
47. No. "Incriminating" is a loaded word. There is nothing criminal in those emails.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 02:51 PM
Jul 2016

And your defense of Putin's aggression is duly noted. The whole of Europe is on "Putin's doorstep." That does not give him the right to invade.

ymetca

(1,182 posts)
49. Duly noted
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 03:18 PM
Jul 2016

Not incriminating but embarrassing, perhaps.

And Lord I don't want to defend that despot. Just acknowledge his political tactic as the same type of fear mongering our politicians indulge in here.

lakercub

(659 posts)
23. Are you serious?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:16 PM
Jul 2016

I backed Bernie all the way and I'm disgusted by the DNC's behavior. But if Putin and Trump are in bed together, and if Trump is found to be using a dictatorial strongman's help to get elected through nefarious means (including the cyber equivalent of breaking and entering), that's about a million times worse.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
43. An American election, American democracy is being manipulated by a
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 08:11 PM
Jul 2016

Dictator with human rights abuses. We can guess at his end game, and it's serious on an international scale. That beats the problem of shitty emails that didn't have an effect on the primaries. Is there a problem at the DNC? you bet. But we need to apply a tourniquet now and manage the sprained ankle tomorrow.

ksoze

(2,068 posts)
24. He thrives in deep crap. It his milieu.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:19 PM
Jul 2016

Will be tough to prove a direct link from him-Russia-hack and don't expect him to help.

ksoze

(2,068 posts)
20. Its not the medium its the message
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:12 PM
Jul 2016

To paraphrase McLuhan, how they got seen will not over shadow what they say to those who wish her bad. May help divert some of the attention, but the content will give enemies fodder for spin.

Sam1

(498 posts)
30. No one seems to be thinking about this reason
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:34 PM
Jul 2016

that the Russians may have had.

It is IMO that given the hack of the DNC the Russians are in possession of all Clinton's e-mails from her private server and maybe playing reverse psychology. Even if the is a straight forward attempt to influence the election we are well and truly up a Gump stump.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
48. I've been thinking about it, and I agree with you.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 03:17 PM
Jul 2016

That private server probably was the server for the Clinton Foundation and for Bill's e-mails, too. There have been some ugly allegations with respect to the C.F. and Bill's speaking fees running rampant on the net. I would hate to read that there is something to them and that the Russians have the proof.

Il_Coniglietto

(373 posts)
35. Well, that's precisely the point.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:41 PM
Jul 2016

How do Trump or Putin benefit from the RNC being hacked? Plus, that would hurt down ballot Republicans who would need to be elected in order to pass potential President Trump pro-Russian/anti-NATO policies.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
36. I just read an interview with Assange on Democracy Now.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:47 PM
Jul 2016

He wasn't asked why the RNC wasn't hacked. From what he said, Wikileaks distributes from sources (or hackers). He can't be sure where the data came from because Wikileaks gets it and then presents it; they don't actively hack. Release to the public is often in cooperation with a media outlet but he said this time, they didn't need the media because the story is so big.

He also said that the DNC has been hacked frequently in the past, there are lots of people trying to do it.

I really wish Amy Goodman would have asked him about the RNC.

aggiesal

(8,907 posts)
33. Why didn't they just do it the legal way? ...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:36 PM
Jul 2016

Donate to a SuperPAC unlimited amounts of money.

SuperPAC's don't have to disclose their donations, and we all know
it's illegal for candidates to accept donations from foreigners.

And illegal for SuperPAC to accept donations from foreigners, but since
they don't have to disclose who donated, how are we going to find out?

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
54. Why would Russia want to have Trump elected?
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 03:40 PM
Jul 2016

"Donald says nice things about me- let us hack the DNC email servers and give them to Wikileaks so as to help get the guy who says nice things about me elected? I don't see it.

Exactly how does it benefit Russia to have Trump elected and not Clinton?

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