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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHuh. I liked Bill's speech a lot more than a couple MSNBC folks, evidently.
Rachel Maddow panned the beginning (thought he talked too much about himself).
I disagree completely with Steve Schmidt, who said it meandered & was too long (called it a wedding speech gone bad), especially for folks watching on tv.
Lawrence O'Donnell seemed to like it, though.
I thought it personalized Hillary very well, in addition to enumerating her accomplishments throughout her career.
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)They all said it was amazing.
Siwsan
(26,258 posts)And I am impressed beyond belief.
csziggy
(34,135 posts)She is an amazing woman!
still_one
(92,120 posts)63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)I am watching on C-SPAN. The commentators, all of them, no longer exist in my convention experience.
tman
(983 posts)But it was an amazing speech. He's a great story teller.
msongs
(67,394 posts)Stinky The Clown
(67,786 posts)lapucelle
(18,241 posts)They had already written their "Bill is an embarrassing has-been liability who no longer has political skillz" script.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)stopbush
(24,395 posts)of her nightly show with 20 minutes of vocal masturbation as she says the same thing over and over again, just to be sure we idiots understand what she's talking about? That Rachel Maddow?
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)She is a silly person.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)I stopped watching Rachel last year. I only really like Larry O'Donnell. Chris Hayes is weak when going up against the Republicans or conservatives. He lets their lies slide too much. Joy Reid is great but I don't get a chance to see her much.
stopbush
(24,395 posts)I' ve given up on MSNBC. They've gone from being a liberal leaning network to overcompensating the other way.
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)stopbush
(24,395 posts)supporting her because we knew that the CARTOON VERSION of Hilary being flogged in the media was just that are overjoyed that her story was finally told tonight, and told by the world's greatest story teller, to boot.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Loved it when Brian Williams says 'Can you hear me?' to Rachel as she seethes silently.
Stinky The Clown
(67,786 posts)I watched on CSPAN and switched to MSNBC to see what the RATFUCKERS are saying to RATFUCK the Democrats.
Fuck you, Rachel.
Skittles
(153,142 posts)gaspee
(3,231 posts)thinking along the same lines as Rachel, knowing what he did to her later with the whole affair thing.
IMO, that's what skeeved Rachel out
The whole time he was talking about how much he loved her, all I could think about was how he humiliated her so publically
She deserved so much better from him.
She is an amazing woman and so much less flawed a human being as he is
stopbush
(24,395 posts)who is on his third marriage and who openly fantasizes about fucking his daughter, and who openly boasts about the dozens of affairs he's had.
So, Trump is allowed to talk openly about how much his current plagerizing wife means to him, but it's off limits for Bill Clinton to talk about his 45-year relationship with his one and only wife?
You know what - fuck that. Fuck that very much.
phylny
(8,378 posts)what I was thnking.
gaspee
(3,231 posts)I am allowed to have an opinion and just because Trump is a vile human being doesn't mean that Clinton didn't treat his wife badly.
Back then, I could not believe she would stay with him, but I was younger back then.
Again, you have no right to treat me like a piece of dirt for having a differing opinion than you do.
lapucelle
(18,241 posts)I'm always amused when people vilify Hillary for not dumping Bill and see it as some kind of character flaw.
gaspee
(3,231 posts)Back then, I was in my 20's and just could not relate - I would have dumped anyone who treated me that way. Now that I am older, I can see the other side to it.
I have not once said it was her character flaw - I wish people would stop putting words in my mouth
Skittles
(153,142 posts)everyone has their vice, and Hillary's vice has always been Bill Clinton
Jeez, they're still married, let it go already
gaspee
(3,231 posts)She did no wrong - not even staying with him. They have what they have.
But that is not the point.
There are an awful lot of people who like to abuse posters who have differing opinions on this topic.
kentuck
(111,076 posts)as he is capable of being. He did a great job !
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)He's also the most effective political communicator of his generation
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)emulatorloo
(44,110 posts)Joy Reid also pointed out that campaign is going for married white women to pull them away from voting Republican
LisaM
(27,800 posts)Best speech of his life.
PatrickforO
(14,570 posts)did - it showed the human and caring face of Hillary Clinton. THAT's what I needed to know to support her. For a long time during this primary I honestly thought she cared more about getting elected that doing the job but Bill's (and the numerous other) speech tonight convinced me otherwise.
So...Bill knocked it out of the park tonight.
Mosby
(16,297 posts)I wonder if many noticed, I was watching c-span that showed the whole frame.
lapucelle
(18,241 posts)He said that it was the elephant in the room that everyone wanted to hear about. (Apparently Jake sees elephants that no one else can see. Maybe they're pink.)
The panel's reaction was absolute silence. Wolf Blitzer was staring at him like he had lost his mind. Then Jake made it worse by babbling about how everyone knows that the Clintons don't have a normal marriage, but that's OK because, you know, they have to spend a lot of time apart. It was truly a WTF moment.
emulatorloo
(44,110 posts)Well done.
Tapper sounds like he's off the rails.
lapucelle
(18,241 posts)It's not always an easy road.
A Republican coworker actually said to me "What, we're supposed to believe that he was attracted to her in college? He likes women who are pretty."
I responded, "Yeah, and I was really surprised that none of Trump's kids talked about how much he hurt their mother when he very publicly dumped her for a younger women." Crickets.
It's none of their business, but they'll never let it go.
tavernier
(12,375 posts)is how terrible MSNBC has been all through it. They cut off speakers, yak on the floor during prayers obviously annoying the delegates, act like they are the arbiters of what is good judgement regarding the speeches, etc. etc.
Thought I'd never say this, but even David Gregory on CNN has been far less annoying and even a breath of fresh air at moments.
emulatorloo
(44,110 posts)Joy Reid, Howard Finemann, Chris Hayes, and Pennsylvania Senator.
Rex
(65,616 posts)He was amazing.
0rganism
(23,937 posts)but it was Bill, and his voice is like buttered rum for the ears.
if it was anyone else giving that kind of speech, i would have tuned out immediately, but it's Bill...
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/etlk83/the-nightly-show-with-larry-wilmore-blacklash-2016--the-unblackening---bill-clinton-s-awkward-pro-hillary-speech-at-the-dnc