A politician's personal life is his personal life. Saying his personal

[Laura PourMeADrink]

life became a public life is an understatement. A shit storm Hillary had to live through and still explain today.

Don't care one single iota that he called her a girl when she was a girl

BUT


What I would have loved for him to say - something like...."and during my personal failings, I didn't deserve her. I will be thankful to her forever for seeing something better in me to stick around for."

[dixiegrrrrl]

1. I hear ya..and I heard him, loud and clear.

" I married my best friend"

Lord protect me from friends like that.

And...there are some "personal" life behaviors which are significant to know about in a public figure, esp one who has serious
control over global decisions.

Dementia, as in Reagan's case
Apparent alcoholism, as in case of Nixon, and Shrub.
Compulsive sex addiction, as In Bill Clinton...

[Laura PourMeADrink]

3. True, for sure. It just seemed like the perfect opportunity for him

to say something, anything. For all the greatest he has achieved, it's the elephant in the room. Especially on a historic night for women

[phylny]

2. You know, I didn't need to hear anything else from him.

He cheated, cheats, whatever. It's not my business. There are no perfect men or women. There are no perfect presidents. What happened in their marriage is between them.

[Journeyman]

4. She seems satisfied with whatever it is they worked out, as does he . . .

what right has anyone else to demand an accounting of their personal travails and reconciliations?

[BlueMTexpat]

30. Amen.

And those who want to continue beating this dead horse seem never to consider the terrible fallout that Chelsea - a wholly innocent victim - has been subjected to for her father's transgressions.

[63splitwindow]

5. I agree with the many other DUers who thought is was a GREAT speech masterfully delivered. nt

[ecstatic]

6. I disagree. That would have been too distracting and

would have confused the message. His portrayal made her look strong, not weak.

[phylny]

7. Great insight, spot on. n/t

[prayin4rain]

34. I agree --would have been a giant distraction. n/t

[onecaliberal]

8. He kinda said it when he said she will never leave you.(Paraphrase)

[The empressof all]

9. Personally, I would have thought better of him if he said that

But I understand why she may have not wanted it to be once again about him. So Meh....The retrash of Bill Clinton is one of my favorite guilty pleasures...but we will save that for another time...I'll bring the wine!

[GaYellowDawg]

10. I was thinking just about exactly the same thing.

I really like what you wrote, too.

[JI7]

11. that's all the media would have focused on and talked about with clips of "i did not ........."

and lewinsky and all that crap.

[63splitwindow]

12. YEP! 100% correct. All the media, ALL, just in for $$$, and SEX SELLS! nt

[riderinthestorm]

13. They met in law school!!

Seriously I don't know a single woman who'd agree that infantalizing a Yale Law school student as a "girl" is acceptable. She was well into her 20s!!

This is completely indicative of Bill's views on women.

I shudder at having him in the white house.

[63splitwindow]

14. Were you alive during the 8 years he was President of the United States...

Nothing personal, but I have never hear a Democrat say, " I shudder at having him in the white house." Who are you supporting this year?

[riderinthestorm]

15. OMG! Bookmarking. This is despicable sexist shit

Everyone paying attention now?

[63splitwindow]

16. Sorry, that seems like a bizarre over-reaction to nothing. Bye.

[MADem]

19. I think we're all paying attention to you, actually. Not in a good way either.

You're trashing a former POTUS who just gave a fantastic speech.

Not sure why, either--your objection is not supported by the totality of his remarks.

In sum, you are nitpicking. And you are wrong.

[riderinthestorm]

21. I'm slayed here...

[BlueMTexpat]

31. I gave you three chances.

You didn't improve. Buh-bye.

[MADem]

18. He called HIMSELF a boy in that speech--so try again. Find some other reason for outrage.

How DARE he "infantalize" himself!! Oh, quel HORREUR!!!!!

http://time.com/4425599/dnc-bill-clinton-speech-transcript-video/

And she smiled and looked at me, like, what is this boy up to? She said that is not a very good sales pitch. I said I know, but it’s true. And I meant it, it was true.

You know, when I came up in college, boys were boys, and girls were girls. We were perhaps less eager to put on our Adult underwear and march out into the Big Serious World. We knew what was in store for us, so why not enjoy a few more youthful, carefree moments...?

[riderinthestorm]

20. Nope. I'm of that age. Besides which he's speaking to us NOW

Outdated, sexist bullshit terms have no place in today's world. Calling a female Yale School student a girl was insulting then (as it is now).

Do we call AAs n********?

Are our LGBTQ community h*****?

You and I both knew the difference then and now.

So does Bill. He's utterly disrespecting her.

[MADem]

22. I do not share your "outrage" and I think you are trying WAY too hard.

And how you can call a term for two students -- a boy and a girl -- the equivalent of the frigging N word is beyond the pale.

You should be ashamed of yourself. This is some sick shit:

iderinthestorm
20. Nope. I'm of that age. Besides which he's speaking to us NOW
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Outdated, sexist bullshit terms have no place in today's world. Calling a female Yale School student a girl was insulting then (as it is now).

Do we call AAs n********?

Are our LGBTQ community h*****?

You and I both knew the difference then and now.

So does Bill. He's utterly disrespecting her.

Is he disrespecting HIMSELF when he calls himself a BOY?

Your agenda is showing.

[Cha]

23. Really.. it's Ridiculous.

[MADem]

24. Mmmm hmmmm!

Totally RIDICULOUS!

[Cha]

26. Beyond Ridiculous!

[ecstatic]

35. +1000. nt

[Warpy]

27. Your concern is noted

and has been given all the consideration it deserves.

[MichiganVote]

33. My sons are 28 and 30, they use the phrase, "I met a girl", nobody cares.

[MADem]

36. Of course not--this is a meme that is being shopped from the right.

They have a clownish opinion of us, and they think that those dumb "Leftys" are so stoooooopid that any use of the term "girl" to describe any female over age 12 will automatically--without content or cotext--be taken as a SLUR. Because we're dullards, doncha know!!!

More in case anyone reading our conversation doesn't take that I'm being sarcastic.

So when you see this kind of shit appearing on public message boards frequented by Meanie Wingnuts who like to fling insults instead of discuss policy, and these are the same assholes that are Trump touters, you just have to consider the source. I have to believe that someone on the "fast reaction" (cough) team at the RNC seized on this and sent out the paid posters--and Putin likely did the same. People who aren't wingnuts read this shit and go "Hmmmm, MAYYYYYYbeeeeeeee....." because they're predisposed to not like Bill Clinton, or Hillary wasn't their choice for POTUS....so they repeat the garbage, as a way of "getting back" at Hillary. Either that, or they're easily led--they believe any narrative that is fed to them without looking at the context.

How interesting that the WINGNUT on The View was the one to bring this up, and the non-wingnuts gave her the business like you couldn't believe.


I guess the movie "About a Boy" is sexist, too--and the song "I Kissed a Girl?" Let's BURN those records!!!!!

Sometimes, the efforts to twist shit into a dramatic crisis reminds me of the Bush 'pretzel' years....

smDh!!!!!

[MichiganVote]

39. They hate B.Clinton b/c he has beat them every time at anything.

I thought the start of his speech was very tender and that the tenderness was primarily directed at his wife.

[MADem]

17. Did he not call himself a boy in that speech?

And she smiled and looked at me, like, what is this boy up to? She said that is not a very good sales pitch. I said I know, but it’s true. And I meant it, it was true.


http://time.com/4425599/dnc-bill-clinton-speech-transcript-video/

[Sgent]

25. That didn't even register with me

maybe its a regional thing (I'm in the South), but when it comes especially to dating referring to the either sex as boys or girls is common.

[MADem]

37. Hell, I drive people to the polls from a "senior living community" and I hear BOYS and GIRLS over

there all the time! The "girls" are going to meet the "boys" for coffee, the "girls" are going swimming at the Y, etc.

And those "boys" and "girls" make Bill Clinton look like a spring chicken!

[joshcryer]

28. I honestly cannot fucking believe that this is a thing.

I am baffled. What is going on in peoples minds.

[BlueMTexpat]

32. Anything goes

when it involves bashing a Clinton, it seems.

[MADem]

38. Putin is sending in the trolls, and they're spreading it around the net like BUTTAH!!!!

The RNC brought the buttah knife!

LOL!

And a few people are buying the shit they're shopping, out of resentment, perhaps, that their team didn't win.

If WJC didn't speak sweetly and lovingly about his bride, he would be accused of not giving us that sort of portrait because, ya know, she's a (insert rude , crude nasty words that contain elements of stuff like shrew or shrill or witch--or something rhyming with that). THEN the argument would be "Well, he couldn't even say anything NICE and PERSONAL about her! See? She's a (insert rude, crude, nasty words....etc.).

Hell, the only nice things MELANIA could say about Donald were actually MICHELLE's words about BARACK!!

LOL! They're trying like hell to get the same impact as PLAGER-GATE had on the rollout of the Slovenian Copycat. No one--or nearly no one (let's not include the people who just won't vote for HRC anyway--haters gonna hate) is buying it.

[merrily]

29. I don't think a politician's personal life is never a voter's business. Sorry, I just don't.

Certain things reflect character traits of compassion, integrity, and the like. A politician's personal life may or may not disqualify him or her in my mind from getting my vote, but I don't think it's none of my business.

Since I've never sought public office, I guess my entire life is my personal life. Am I perfect? Hell no. But, if I choose to seek public office, and you find out my imperfections, by all means, factor them into your considerations about voting for me.

Just seeing JFK's photo makes me smile. He's usually smiling and appealing. He's said brilliant things and witty things. He didn't blow up the world during the Cuban missile crisis to show how powerful he was (thought that may have been as much RFK as JFK). He intervened to get Martin Luther King, Jr. released from prison' he had the ICC integrate "interstate" commerce* and started negotiating what, after his death, became the Civil Rights Act. Supposedly, he was even looking at getting out of Vietnam. But, the fact that he was on a "date" and totally unreachable while his wife was in the hospital miscarrying their baby makes my tells me something important about his character, including that his "dating" urges trumped his responsibility he felt to his job and his pregnat wife to at least be reachable at all times. (Harder then, with no cell, but he should have told a brother or someone else he trusted how to reach him, if absolutely necessary.) Does that factor into his fitness for the job? Hell, yes.

Would I vote for him today anyway? Hell, yes. Not blowing up the world and ending (legal) Jim Crow (even though either could have cost him re-election) are huge for me. But I would consider all of it and I think I should.



*In quotation marks because Helen Thomas asked if "Mrs. Murphy's boarding house" would be affected and he famously replied, "That depends on the effect Mrs. Murphy has on interstate commerce." (Those may not be exact words, but close enough not to mislead.) During the New Deal days, the SCOTUS had declared that the feds could, under power to regulate interstate commerce regulate growing veggies in your own backyard for consumption only by your own family because that had an impact on interstate commerce in that you would be purchasing fewer veggies that were in the stream of interstate commerce. See? Scalia was not the first Justice to make up stuff.