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Don't be upset that the First Lady told you the White House was built by slaves. (Original Post) kpete Jul 2016 OP
K & effing-R! Scuba Jul 2016 #1
Wait, are people disputing this fact?! SunSeeker Jul 2016 #2
indeed they are. check out loofah boy, for one. niyad Jul 2016 #8
Here's what I find so absurd about this whole thing; A HERETIC I AM Jul 2016 #3
Bill O'Reilly -- noted historian: yallerdawg Jul 2016 #4
"noted historian" progressoid Jul 2016 #6
That was my "sarcasm" emoji. yallerdawg Jul 2016 #7
My brother actually reads those damn books. And enjoys them! progressoid Jul 2016 #11
O'Reilly - Also Give Credit to the Slavemasters... TomCADem Jul 2016 #10
"...well fed..." is his take on White House slavery. yallerdawg Jul 2016 #14
I guess O'Lielly forgot to mention that Ilsa Jul 2016 #27
If he was a sports commentator... yallerdawg Jul 2016 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #5
It matters. The present is built on the foundations of the past. Inequality and injustice persist. xocet Jul 2016 #18
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #19
Feel free to elaborate.... xocet Jul 2016 #20
You may have to add the :sarcasm: smiley. Sometimes it doesn't come across as easily on jtuck004 Jul 2016 #21
The truth should not upset anyone. ananda Jul 2016 #9
K & R! n/t xocet Jul 2016 #12
K&R... spanone Jul 2016 #13
It was just not slaves, but others as well. Waldorf Jul 2016 #15
Indeed, however that was not the point she was making and irrelivent to her topic Glassunion Jul 2016 #29
And your point is? awoke_in_2003 Jul 2016 #31
In the 60s, I did learn this LittleGirl Jul 2016 #16
The White House Historical Association has a web page devoted to the question rocktivity Jul 2016 #17
I recently visited a relative with a 10 year old. SalviaBlue Jul 2016 #22
Are you referring to.... HeartoftheMidwest Jul 2016 #25
I'm sure this poor kid will be reading O'Really's version of history next. SalviaBlue Jul 2016 #30
Um, professor Limbaugh was a college dropout...and proudly so, I might add... CTyankee Jul 2016 #32
Without the involuntary ( mostly ) labor of slaves, our country would NEVER have... HeartoftheMidwest Jul 2016 #23
I went to the Smithsonian museum in DC and saw a display where they stated slaves built kimbutgar Jul 2016 #24
+1 K&R fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #26

A HERETIC I AM

(24,362 posts)
3. Here's what I find so absurd about this whole thing;
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:07 AM
Jul 2016

They live in basically a museum, complete with curators and historians.

Is anyone with any brains really surprised that the First Lady actually knows some history about the building? That she never had one single conversation with someone on the staff who has knowledge of the mansion?

What a fucking tempest in a teapot

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
4. Bill O'Reilly -- noted historian:
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:08 AM
Jul 2016
“Slaves did participate in the construction of the White House. Records show about 400 payments made to slave masters between 1795 and 1801. In addition, free blacks, whites and immigrants also worked on the massive building,” O’Reilly said.

He continued, “Slaves that worked there were well fed and had decent lodgings provided by the government, which stopped hiring slave labor in 1802; however, the feds did not forbid subcontractors from using slave labor. So Michelle Obama is essentially correct in citing slaves as builders of the White House, but there were others working as well.”

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/bill-oreilly-slaves-who-built-white-house-were-well-fed-w431154

progressoid

(49,951 posts)
6. "noted historian"
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:16 AM
Jul 2016

Good god. What have we come to when we have to use a television blow as a historian.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
7. That was my "sarcasm" emoji.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:22 AM
Jul 2016

You know Bill-O and his minions consider him an accomplished author of historical books?

"Killing Reagan," "Killing Patton," "Killing Jesus," "Killing Kennedy," "Killing Lincoln."

Where's Al Franken when we need him?

progressoid

(49,951 posts)
11. My brother actually reads those damn books. And enjoys them!
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:44 PM
Jul 2016

I read a few pages of Killing Lincoln. I thought I was reading something for Jr. High School kids.


TomCADem

(17,382 posts)
10. O'Reilly - Also Give Credit to the Slavemasters...
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:42 PM
Jul 2016

...because the slaves did not whip themselves?

Give it to O'Reilly to give a shout out to the slave owners.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
14. "...well fed..." is his take on White House slavery.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:50 PM
Jul 2016

I had surfed over to see if Fox News was even carrying the DNC, and caught Bill-O saying this, and then it went to the next show, Trump's good friend Megyn Kelly.

I went back to C-SPAN and streaming - I hadn't considered it all that controversial considering the source, forgot about it until I saw this OP!

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
27. I guess O'Lielly forgot to mention that
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:43 PM
Jul 2016

the slaves worked, but their owners were the ones who got paid while they had no choice in any of it.

Response to kpete (Original post)

xocet

(3,871 posts)
18. It matters. The present is built on the foundations of the past. Inequality and injustice persist.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:11 PM
Jul 2016

It is important that people are made aware of what has happened and how those occurrences are affecting the present. This is so that they can see why various societal/legal structures need to be changed. Otherwise, it is difficult to get them on board with the changes that are necessary to eliminate persisting inequalities and injustices as they do not see the root causes of the persisting structural problems.



Response to xocet (Reply #18)

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
21. You may have to add the :sarcasm: smiley. Sometimes it doesn't come across as easily on
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:26 PM
Jul 2016

the Internet, since you don't have the verbal, visual, and auditory cues we have when talking with most folks.

Especially here. Some of these folks are so good they can send a post back that disagrees with you faster than you can post the OP that starts it.

ananda

(28,836 posts)
9. The truth should not upset anyone.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:33 PM
Jul 2016

Slavery and native genocide are very shameful chapters
in our history.

It does no good to try to minimize or revise them. We
need the lessons and the spiritual growth to make lives
better NOW!

Waldorf

(654 posts)
15. It was just not slaves, but others as well.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:54 PM
Jul 2016

"The slaves joined a work force that included local white laborers and artisans from Maryland and Virginia, as well as immigrants from Ireland, Scotland, and other European nations."

https://www.whitehousehistory.org/questions/did-slaves-build-the-white-house

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
31. And your point is?
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 05:26 PM
Jul 2016

Just because other people worked on building the WH does not dismiss that fact that slave labor was used.

LittleGirl

(8,280 posts)
16. In the 60s, I did learn this
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:57 PM
Jul 2016

but was reminded when I read Howard Zinn's The People's History of the United States. That book should be required reading for all high school US history students.

rocktivity

(44,572 posts)
17. The White House Historical Association has a web page devoted to the question
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:59 PM
Jul 2016
"Did slaves build the White House?"

"Construction on the president's house began in 1792 in Washington, D.C., a new capital situated in a sparsely settled region far from a major population center. The decision to place the capital on land ceded by two slave states -- Virginia and Maryland -- ultimately influenced the acquisition of laborers to construct its public buildings.

"The D.C. commissioners, charged by Congress with building the new city under the direction of the president, initially planned to import workers from Europe to meet their labor needs. However, response to recruitment was dismal and soon they turned to African American(s) — enslaved and free — to provide the bulk of labor that built the White House, the United States Capitol, and other early government buildings."

A stonemason, Collen Williamson, "trained enslaved people on the spot at the government's quarry at Aquia, Va.," the group wrote. "Enslaved people quarried and cut the rough stone that was later dressed and laid by Scottish masons to erect the walls of the president's house. The slaves joined a workforce that included local white laborers and artisans from Maryland and Virginia, as well as immigrants from Ireland, Scotland, and other European nations."


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rocktivity

SalviaBlue

(2,914 posts)
22. I recently visited a relative with a 10 year old.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:34 PM
Jul 2016

I saw in his stack of school books, a history book for kids by Rush Limbaugh.

HeartoftheMidwest

(309 posts)
25. Are you referring to....
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:41 PM
Jul 2016

...THE acclaimed Professor of History, Dr. Limbaugh????
I believe he did his postdoctoral work at Harvard under the distinguished professor and department chair, Dr. Wm. O'Reilly?

CTyankee

(63,892 posts)
32. Um, professor Limbaugh was a college dropout...and proudly so, I might add...
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 05:33 PM
Jul 2016

you might want to call him "self-edumacted."

HeartoftheMidwest

(309 posts)
23. Without the involuntary ( mostly ) labor of slaves, our country would NEVER have...
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:38 PM
Jul 2016

...been built up as quickly or as prosperously as it had. Just a fact, that those unaware of, should know.

"Blacks and whites worked alongside one another in skilled labor positions in both antebellum and postbellum years, and in the late-19th century especially, the two segments of the population competed for skilled employment.[6],[7] Regardless of this competition, however, African Americans remained important as artisans because stigma and lower wages made white workers reluctant to vie for positions blacks already occupied; therefore, African Americans were the predominant building tradesmen throughout the late-19th and early-20th centuries.[8]"
https://www.preservationsociety.org/blog/2016/02/29/black-craftsmen-and-the-built-environment/

An older academic text stated that because the growth of colonial America was so fast, and the skilled labor pool was so small, that it became "necessary" (sic) to import slaves and teach them the skills desperately needed, although many Africans had great skills already in woodworking, textiles, and crafting in gold, ivory, and tin.
The readily available land for settlement was so vast, that few white men, immigrant or indentured, wanted to stay in the trades for long.
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/slavery/JNH-1947.pdf

That the White House ( such irony ) was built mostly with black blood and sweat is an indisputable fact of history.

kimbutgar

(21,056 posts)
24. I went to the Smithsonian museum in DC and saw a display where they stated slaves built
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:40 PM
Jul 2016

the Whitehouse. They had historical documents stating this. Now the right wing says the Smithsonian museums are wrong?

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