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Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:12 AM

In Case You Missed It, Giuliani Wants To Start Electronically Tagging Muslims

Source: Think Progress



Former New York City Mayor and current Donald Trump supporter Rudy Giuliani said on Wednesday that he thinks it’s an “excellent idea” to monitor Muslims on the federal watch list through electronic monitoring tags.

“I would think that’s an excellent idea,” Giuliani told reporters at a press conference, according to NJ Advance Media. “If you’re on the terror watch list, I should you know you’re on the terror watch list. You’re on there for a reason.”

Giuliani said he would suggest that Trump use the same measure of electronically monitoring people as in France. Both the attackers involved in the killing of a priest in Normandy on Tuesday were already known to French security services and on watch lists, and one was being monitored through an electronic tag.

The terrorism watch list and no-fly list are notorious for ethnic and religious profiling, and many innocent people end up on the list — but Giuliani’s comments come as no surprise given his own penchant for surveillance of the Muslim community, another ineffective practice, during his time as New York’s mayor.


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Reply In Case You Missed It, Giuliani Wants To Start Electronically Tagging Muslims (Original post)
demmiblue Jul 2016 OP
madaboutharry Jul 2016 #1
tonyt53 Jul 2016 #3
tonyt53 Jul 2016 #2
treestar Jul 2016 #4
6chars Jul 2016 #5
demmiblue Jul 2016 #8
leftynyc Jul 2016 #9
6chars Jul 2016 #11
leftynyc Jul 2016 #12
6chars Jul 2016 #13
angstlessk Jul 2016 #6
4lbs Jul 2016 #7
Glassunion Jul 2016 #10
DCBob Jul 2016 #14
Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #15

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:14 AM

1. Like that chip in my Boston Terrier?

Giuliani is a nazi.

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Response to madaboutharry (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:15 AM

3. Yep, the new wrist tattoo is replaced by a chip.

 

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:14 AM

2. One word to describe this guy - DIPSHIT.

 

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:16 AM

4. not constitutionally allowable

intersting question whether they should know. Generally it appears to be the policy that they should not. If they knew, they would drop out maybe via suicide attack and be replaced by someone with a clean record. It seems Rudy has not thought anything through.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:19 AM

5. "Tagging People on terror watch list" = "Tagging Muslims"????

The OP is very misleading.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/27/rudy-giuliani-calls-tagging-people-on-the-terror-watch-list-an-excellent-idea/

One of the terrorists who killed an elderly priest in France this week had been placed under house arrest after trying to travel to Syria last year. An electronic monitor that tracked his movement was temporarily turned off, according to Sky News, during which time he helped kill Father Jacques Hamel.

Rudy Giuliani, the former mayor of New York and an advisor to the campaign of Donald Trump, appeared at a Republican National Committee event on Wednesday, after which he was asked about the prospect of introducing a similar monitoring system for those on the terror watch list.

"I would think that's an excellent idea," Giuliani told NJ.com's Claude Brodesser-Akner. "If you're on the terror watch list, I should know you're on the terror watch list. You're on there for a reason."

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Response to 6chars (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:45 AM

8. Well, the original source, Claude-Brodesser Akner from NJ.com...

implies otherwise (he did the interview and wrote the article):

PHILADELPHIA — Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani on Wednesday said he would be in favor of forcing Muslims on the federal government's terrorism watch list to wear electronic monitoring tags or bracelets for authorities to track their whereabouts.

"I would think that's an excellent idea," said Giuliani, an adviser to Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump. "If you're on the terror watch list, I should you know you're on the terror watch list. You're on there for a reason."

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"I put undercover agents in mosques for the first time in January 1994," said Giuliani, in the wake of the February 1993 truck bombing of the World Trade Center that killed six and injured hundreds.

"I did it because the 1993 bombing was planned in a mosque in Union City, New Jersey, and a second plan was uncovered to bomb our subways, which was foiled," said Giuliani. "And I kept those police officers in those mosques until I left as mayor."

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/07/trump_adviser_giuliani_calls_for_electronic_monito.html#incart_river_index

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Response to 6chars (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:46 AM

9. Guiliani's mistake was

 

singling out Muslims (which he did right here: Rudy Giuliani said on Wednesday that he thinks it’s an “excellent idea” to monitor Muslims on the federal watch list through electronic monitoring tags). If he had said anyone on the watch list, he wouldn't be having these problems. I'm EXTREMELY torn about this - given what happened to that priest.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #9)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:38 AM

11. I don't think he said that.

From the article - words of the author of the article: Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani on Wednesday said he would be in favor of forcing Muslims on the federal government's terrorism watch list to wear electronic monitoring tags or bracelets for authorities to track their whereabouts.

From the article, actual quote of what Giuliani said
"I would think that's an excellent idea," said Giuliani, an adviser to Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump. "If you're on the terror watch list, I should you know you're on the terror watch list. You're on there for a reason."

He quite clearly does NOT single out Muslims. It would, of course, be wrong to do so.
He apparently responded to a question about the electronic bracelet that the Normandy attacker had - and I am not aware of any indication that this was based on his being Muslim.

I do not wish to be in the position of defending Giuliani - he has certainly not contradicted Trump, who has explicitly singled out Muslims for treatment that are probably unconstitutional. But I think that the author of that news article was spinning it for maximum effect. Repeating the hyperbole and expressing anger about the alleged behavior can lead to a boy who cried wolf situation.

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Response to 6chars (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:46 AM

12. The QUESTION singled out Muslims

 

and he made NO distinction when answering. That's my point.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:53 AM

13. I didn't see the actual question

If the question was "do you think we should tag people on the watch list like in France?" then his answer was more of a policy point (and even then not a good answer - given the number of false positives on that list).

If the question was "do you think we should tag Muslims like in France?" or even "do you think we should tag Muslims on the terror watch list like in France?" then it was a horrible question for a professional journalist to ask - the premise is wrong, and it would also have been a bad answer, as you suggest, for the reason of not calling out the bad question. So now we are speculating whether

1) the question was inappropriate and the answer failed to call it out, or
2) the question was appropriate but not paraphrased inaccurately in the article for sensationalist reasons.

In either case, the journalist messed up. Since he didn't provide the actual question to readers, we can't tell if it was 1 or 2. He might have provided more to WaPo- which is probably higher quality journalists - which, for whatever reason, didn't mention Muslims at all in their report.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:38 AM

6. How about these folks?

1. Democratic Congressmen John Lewis


2. Senator Ted Kennedy


3. CNN Reporter Drew Griffin


4. 8-year-old Cub Scout Mikey Hicks and his father, who shares the same name


5. Journalist Stephen Hayes of the Weekly Standard


6. Lyman Latin, a disabled U.S. Marine veteran



7. 6-year-old Alyssa Thomas from Ohio


8. A two-year-old child


9. Former Air National Guard brigadier general, James Robinson


10. Third-grader James Robinson


11. Former U.S. attorney James Robinson


12. Actor David Nelson


13. Yusuf Islam, the singer formerly known as Cat Stevens

http://www.dailywire.com/news/6879/these-13-people-placed-terror-watch-list-will-blow-amanda-prestigiacomo


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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:39 AM

7. Like the one used in France, eh? Did electronic tagging prevent the Nice attack?

No?

So.....

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:56 AM

10. Yet another reason I'm against these "lists"

I'm sick of the mantra "If you're on the list, you're on it for a reason" bullshit. Every human in the world named "Robert Johnson" is on the list. I find it difficult to believe that every single Robert Johnson alive, regardless of age is a "terror suspect".

Although, this Robert Johnson did write "Terraplane Blues", and that sounds an awful lot like Terror Plane.

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:56 AM

14. Revelation 13:16

"It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads"

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:44 PM

15. I wonder if gun-owners would be tagged as well?

 

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