Roe vs. Wade will be overturned if Donald Trump wins, Mike Pence says

[Warren DeMontague]

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-democratic-convention-2016-live-pence-says-roe-v-wade-will-be-1469737388-htmlstory.html

GOP vice presidential nominee Mike Pence on Thursday predicted Roe vs. Wade, the landmark Supreme Court ruling that legalized abortion, would be overturned if Donald Trump is elected president.

“I’m pro-life and I don’t apologize for it,” he said during a town hall meeting here. “We’ll see Roe vs. Wade consigned to the ash heap of history where it belongs.”

The comments — made in a conservative stronghold that strongly supported Texas Sen. Ted Cruz over Trump in the Michigan primary — were part of a broader argument Pence has been making on the stakes of the election: Voters need to consider that the next president will likely select multiple Supreme Court justices.

Pence said Trump would appoint strict constitutionalists in the mold of the late Justice Antonin Scalia.

So all that religious far right babbling inanity in their platform, you know, criminalizing reproductive choice, teaching the bible in public schools, declaring internet porn a "public health crisis", rolling back equality for LGBT citizens- yeah, they're serious about it.

...it's not like anyone can say they weren't warned.

[Warren DeMontague]

1. More: Mike Pence doesnt understand how condoms work

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/07/mike-pence-condoms-very-poor-protection-against-stds.html

CNN asked then-congressman Pence to appear alongside Democrat Jan Schakowsky of Illinois for a discussion. When Wolf Blitzer asked Pence what he thought of Powell endorsing condom use, Pence had this to say:

Well, Wolf, I think it was — given the enormous stature that Colin Powell rightly has, not only in America but in the world community, it was a sad day... And the truth is that Colin Powell had an opportunity here to reaffirm this president's commitment to abstinence as the best choice for our young people, and he chose not to do that in the first instance, but — and so I think it's very sad. The other part is that, frankly, condoms are a very, very poor protection against sexually transmitted diseases, and in that sense, Wolf, this was — the secretary of state maybe inadvertently misleading millions of young people and endangering lives.

Uh-huh. Condoms, the physical barrier which the CDC says are "highly effective" at preventing STDs, offer poor protection, according to Mike Pence, M.D. But he didn't stop there:

I just simply believe the only truly safe sex, Wolf, as the president believes, is no sex. And we ought to, with leaders of the stature of the secretary of state, we ought to be sending a message to kids across the country and the opportunity had across the world that abstinence is the best choice for young people. But let's be clear, last year, the National Institute of Health, Wolf, and some 28 separate experts said at least a half dozen to ten sexually transmitted diseases for which condom use has zero preventative value. The secretary of state is simply wrong.

[LuvNewcastle]

7. Why don't members of the press

ask assholes like Pence if they ever had pre-marital or extra-marital sex? That would be the first question I would ask these fucking pricks. Hardly anyone these days is a virgin when they get married. Force them to discuss reality, not some biblical standard that the vast majority of people ignore.

[Warren DeMontague]

19. This interview from 2002 is pretty shocking. I suspect I was pissed off about it at the time.

I vaguely remember the crap around Colin Powell being in trouble because he didn't "promote abstinence".

Right, people in Africa were dying of AIDS, and he's supposed to tell them "just don't have sex"

[thucythucy]

2. If he's so concerned about "safe sex" someone should ask him

if he would encourage people to masturbate as an alternative to icky icky sex with another human being.

Dollars against donuts he'd find some reason to oppose masturbation as well.

America: meet the Junior Anti-Sex League!

[Warren DeMontague]

44. Condoms are 'too modern'!

What the fuck???

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/07/22/mike_pence_thinks_condoms_are_too_modern_and_liberal.html

[Johnny2X2X]

3. Shame

The left has done a poor job of making sure women know what this would mean to them. It's a right that is exercised by a large % of women in their lifetimes and it is 100% gone should Trump get into office.

Abortion will be gone and they will close planned parenthood all together. Access to birth control will be severely limited. They want to go back to the dark ages for women. It's all about controlling what women do with their bodies and punishing women for sex. The Taliban can happen here.

[MoonRiver]

12. No Dems have NOT done a poor job at exposing this. Quite the opposite.

Problem is old white guys, and a lot of young white guys, often don't care about women's rights.

[Johnny2X2X]

13. True

But I see a lot of complacent liberal women who don't even seem to have this in their radar. Like they either think it won't happen or that it's not that big of a deal.

[MoonRiver]

23. I don't and I am a woman

with lots of liberal and independent friends.

[Warren DeMontague]

20. Unfortunately I think there are conventional wisdom nabobs in our party who spend too much time in

the beltway and operate on these assumptions which are at least 10 years out of date, if not more.

This translates, to be sure, into a reflexive hesitation to push social issues as hard as they ought to be pushed, and it definitely explains the lag in our party's response to the sea changes in public opinion being driven by the Millennial generation.

This is why it took as long as it did for our leadership to come around on marriage equality. Too many advisors live in fear of the mythical "values voter" of the 2004 election, which was never really that all powerful to begin with, and certainly isn't now.

Most Americans are pro-choice. Most Americans, now, support marijuana legalization. Strong emphasis on personal freedom issues like this would HELP us, not hurt us.

[Warren DeMontague]

17. I am sure we'll hear more about this. Pence is as hardcore of a social conservative as you will find

[davidn3600]

4. Well...some feminists even here have claimed porn and masturbation is a "public health crisis" too

They claim it causes erectile dysfunction.

I'm not kidding. I can show you the links.....

[auntpurl]

10. Oh, "some feminists".

[MH1]

16. LOL, yes, link please. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

18. I think after openly allying herself w/ the far right legislature of Utah & their censorship agenda

Gail Dines has pretty clearly declared which side she's on, namely, the side of Rick Santorum, he AFA and Right Wing Christian Conservatism.

Not surprising to people who have paid attention, however, she never really had much of a following to begin with.

I suspect most people on our side understand that even though there may be entertainment media and things we don't agree with or particularly like for ourselves (Nickelback springs to mind) in a free and pluralistic society censoring what consenting adults can read or watch is never a good idea.

[Dorian Gray]

33. I don't care

if our country becomes a dystopian Dictatorial nightmare. Clinton's platform should include the banning of Nickelback.

[Warren DeMontague]

34. you make a good point.

[Odin2005]

37. Too much porn CAN cause ED.

I've heard several stories about porn addicts who couldn't keep it up when it came to actual sex because they became so habituated and desensitized by porn that ordinary sex is no longer stimulating enough.

[Warren DeMontague]

38. Horrifying anecdotes on the level of pot smokers who grew breasts & turned to smack after one joint

Look, people can become behaviorally habituated to anything, to the point of it causing a subjectively detrimental effect in their lives- shopping, watching "ice road truckers", eating ice cream, etc.

However, "porn addiction" is a bullshit term spread by people with an anti-porn agenda; mostly, members of the religious right and their allies- trying to define perfectly normal behavior as somehow "addictive and harmful". Rinse, repeat, same old same old.


Amanda Marcotte: No, Porn Addiction Is Not Really A Thing

[spanone]

5. as if we needed another reason to NOT vote for trump

[Warren DeMontague]

22. I'm hoping this is indicative of some real problems with their internal polling

like, the only people they can reasonably envision getting to the polls are the hard-core conservative right Christians.

[Rustyeye77]

6. Goody goody... A coat hanger full employment act

No Pence, you'll be consigned to ash heap of history.

[auntpurl]

8. Keep talking, Mike. You are only helping us. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

25. EXACTLY.

[MoonRiver]

11. I believe him.

[Snarkoleptic]

14. kick for visibility!

n/t

[StraightRazor]

15. Once again a Republican running for office declares mightily "I will abolish Roe V. Wade"...

and once again they will never do anything of the sort.

This is their one, last 'single issue' that they need to be able to drag out in order to corral the Christian Right into voting for them. They need Roe V. Wade in place in order to cynically use it in elections ranging from President to Dog Catcher.

Just more of the same.

[Warren DeMontague]

21. It will backfire, because most Americans are pro-choice.

[ProfessorGAC]

35. Once Again, A Trump Campaign Person Makes A Bold Pronouncement. . .

. . .with absolutely no specifics as to how they would go about turning over a Supreme Court decision.

Par for the course.

[Warren DeMontague]

39. to be fair, he promised more judges like Scalia.

so that right there is incentive to vote for our ticket.

[Warren DeMontague]

24. More Religious Right Whackadoodlery from Mike Pence

Mike Pence Apparently Doesn’t Believe In Evolution

[Thinkingabout]

26. Another good reason to get Hillary elected.

[Warren DeMontague]

28. Exactly.

[Hawaii Hiker]

27. So would John McCain, so would have Mitt Romney

a Trump judge would be no different than the 2 aforementioned....We are a socially liberal country (for the most part) and far right social conservatism is a dying breed..

[oioioi]

29. Please proceed, Governor.

The RABA poll showed Clinton opening up a 7 point lead with men (42%-35%), a 22 point lead with women (50%-28%).

[Warren DeMontague]

30. And most Americans are pro-choice.

So yes.

[roamer65]

31. If Zika virus spreads further, I don't see abortion becoming illegal again...ever.

[Warren DeMontague]

32. One, no one should get complacent, and two, even if all that happens is highlighting the fact that

They are advocating far right positions way outside the mainstream of American thought, that is not a bad idea either.

[kentuck]

36. A feeble attempt to hold on to their "anti-abortion" voters.

They fear that their base is slipping thru their fingers.

[Warren DeMontague]

40. I can't imagine the nude pictures of melania on the internet helped.

I mean, how do they reconcile that with wanting to outlaw nude pictures on the internet?

[lpbk2713]

41. I really try to avoid being over confident.

But at this point in time I think whatever Trump might or might not do from the Oval Office is irrelevant.

[Warren DeMontague]

42. cant hurt to remind people how far out of the mainstream the GOP agenda is.

I mean, fuck, read their platform!

[Warren DeMontague]

43. Pence authored first bill to strip funding from Planned Parenthood:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-pence-reproductive-rights-abortion_us_5787cc73e4b0867123e036a1

[Warren DeMontague]

45. Pence still funnelling state $ to "abstinence only" education in 2015

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/news/ct-ptb-state-abstinence-contract-st-1018-20151016-story.html

[RoyJ13]

46. The America Taliban is at it again

Keep talking Mr. Pence, your comments will only drive away more moderate voters, which will destroy any chances of the GOP winning this year. God, why can't these fundie morons leave us alone?

[Warren DeMontague]

49. because some people are so miserable, they need to try and make everyone else

miserable, too?

[NuclearDem]

47. Awaiting word from the "but but Hillary's worse" crowd.

[Warren DeMontague]

48. man, who would say that?

Obviously not anyone who has read our platform and compared it with the religious right clusterfuck that is theirs- roll back LGBT equality, outlaw abortion and contraception, declare pornography a "public health crisis", teach the Bible in public schools....


seems to me a very stark contrast between the sanity of our party and the bugfuck batshittery of the GOP.

[Warren DeMontague]

50. Memo To Mike Pence: Why Women Choose Abortion

http://www.newsweek.com/memo-mike-pence-why-women-choose-abortion-485560

[elehhhhna]

51. zika babies all over the south...great idea