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Stuart G

(38,359 posts)
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 10:24 AM Aug 2016

The Micheal Morell Op Ed (former CIA chief) is just now taking off..

Within the last few minutes..I saw it being reported all over the world. The Independent, BBC, and some other outlets are picking this up at about 10am Eastern time. USA Today got it in the last hour or so. This story will have a very strong affect on those who are open to clear thinking about Donald Trump. I read part Morell's Op Ed, and he states that he has never done this in his 33 years in CIA, the implication is that this Op Ed is necessary for the security of the United States and his last sentence is that Donald the Dope is a threat to our security

The Dope has commented on it already, and calls Morell a stooge of Hillary's. If one has followed all this, a clear thinker might think that Donald is a stooge of Putin, but that is another story. This one is very important, ...Friday morning..and it will play all this weekend. Have fun this weekend Donald, guess who has more credibility?....You or Morell...?..Oh, If you have trouble getting an answer, I will clue you in..

It ain't you...........

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The Micheal Morell Op Ed (former CIA chief) is just now taking off.. (Original Post) Stuart G Aug 2016 OP
Thanks for the heads up! Here's the link. writes3000 Aug 2016 #1
Thank You...sorry I didn't post that everyone can read immediately.. glad you did. nt Stuart G Aug 2016 #2
Morell winetourdriver Aug 2016 #3
Wow! Definitely an Op Ed to disseminate.... JohnnyLib2 Aug 2016 #4
Best lines from Morell's op Ed: SticksnStones Aug 2016 #5
Here's another good one: calimary Aug 2016 #18
Spot on SticksnStones Aug 2016 #20
Indeed - just stop for a moment and think of the times we've ALL, as a society, changed our minds. calimary Aug 2016 #22
Sounds like Korea's Little Kim. nt awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #21
Quite powerful Sanity Claws Aug 2016 #6
Thank you, EarlG gademocrat7 Aug 2016 #7
That's a very informative and sobering letter. blue neen Aug 2016 #8
If Trump had any integrity, he would recognize his obvious lack of qualifications and ... Jim__ Aug 2016 #9
No dude, respectably, you don't want that!!! Ligyron Aug 2016 #10
THIS ^^^^^^^ !!!!! calimary Aug 2016 #19
Yes. Trump is incapable of integrity, probity, morality, empathy. Hortensis Aug 2016 #11
IN RESPONSE TO TRUMP AND HIS RUBES WHO WILL TRY TO PAINT MORELL AS A STOOGE..... cynzke Aug 2016 #12
"In the intelligence biz, we'd say that Mr. Putin had recruited Mr. Trump as an unwitting agent..." Hekate Aug 2016 #13
Amazing... Aviation Pro Aug 2016 #14
There is no person more qualified to represent the security of the United States.His words NBachers Aug 2016 #15
I saw this breaking last night on Chris Hayes show, All In. lark Aug 2016 #16
Joe Madison read the whole thing BumRushDaShow Aug 2016 #17
There goes Trumps GulfCoast66 Aug 2016 #23
 

winetourdriver

(196 posts)
3. Morell
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 10:37 AM
Aug 2016

You are right, this is a big story- Morell is hardly a raving liberal. More and more people are realizing that Trump isn't just a bit odd, but an existential threat to the republic.

SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
5. Best lines from Morell's op Ed:
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 10:44 AM
Aug 2016
"These traits include his obvious need for self-aggrandizement, his overreaction to perceived slights, his tendency to make decisions based on intuition, his refusal to change his views based on new information, his routine carelessness with the facts, his unwillingness to listen to others and his lack of respect for the rule of law."


I'm having that embroidered on a f&$cking pillow...

calimary

(80,693 posts)
18. Here's another good one:
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 12:43 PM
Aug 2016
"I spent four years working with Mrs. Clinton when she was secretary of state, most often in the White House Situation Room. In these critically important meetings, I found her to be prepared, detail-oriented, thoughtful, inquisitive and willing to change her mind if presented with a compelling argument."

The bolded part is mine.

I've noticed that myself - something that I've seen those fearing, OR not trusting, her stand on such matters as the TPP don't seem willing to consider.

Hey - people change their minds. Hillary has even stated in the past - "you get new information." She said that to point out that she could, and would, change her positions on something, once she gained new data, new info, new testimonials, new evidence, new whatever - that might enlarge the previous situation and cast a new or different light on it or place it in a new and different context.

These things are fluid as can be. Things change. KNOWLEDGE doesn't stay static. DISCOVERIES aren't static. Look how many multitudes in the past did not believe in evolution, or, hell, didn't even conceive of such a thing, until Charles Darwin made his many detailed objective observations and drew some new and different conclusions from them. With new input, now we know differently.

Look at Donald Trump, for example. How many times has he stated something that absolutely IS, which looks like shit once more info comes in that proves him wrong? Remember how that plane crashed and his first blurts were "I can practically guarantee this was terrorism." But as searchers and investigators scoured the Mediterranean, they eventually found the black boxes - which eventually
indicated it was more like a technical glitch and onboard fire which brought that plane down. And that's just one example. One TEENY example.

I'd MUCH rather have a President with a flexible mind, who's open to new ideas, new data, new approaches, new findings, new realities, new input! Because it can lead you to change your mind. I just wish those who want to hang her on a TPP gallows would consider that on occasion. And open THEIR minds even just a wee bit. One thing you don't want in a President is rigidity - one of those "I know what I know" people who won't change, despite any and all information that may prove their opinions wrong.

SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
20. Spot on
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 12:55 PM
Aug 2016

And might I add, there's almost a stigma to changing one's mind. We push and push to have our positions heard by politicians. And then heaven forbid, we maybe break through and the candidate changes their position - immediately that candidate is seen as a flip flopper, someone you can't trust. Clinton and TPP, as you noted, perfect example.

Damned if you don't, damned if you do. Ah, politics.


It takes courage and a strong sense of self to be able to publically evolve on a position. I, like you, want that in a president.





calimary

(80,693 posts)
22. Indeed - just stop for a moment and think of the times we've ALL, as a society, changed our minds.
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 02:34 PM
Aug 2016

Over the decades, America has changed. Hell, the demographics ALONE show that. More people of color, for instance. Fewer people who are white.

Let's look at the changes that we've seen in society that have necessitated, even forced, changes of mind:

It used to be that...

Blacks were considered 3/5ths of a (white) human being.
Mixed-race marriages weren't allowed.
Gay marriages weren't allowed.
"The Gay" was something one never talked about, much less came out about.
We had ONE big-ass enemy as a country, known to one and all as the Soviet Union. THAT changed.
We used to have what was called the Common Market in Europe. THAT changed. And because of Brexit, the European Union is changing AGAIN.
We used to have segregated schools. As policy.
Women used to have to resort to coat-hangers and back-alley abortion providers to end a pregnancy.
There were no contraceptives.
Women weren't in the workplace. We used to call it the "pink collar" workers - who were manicurists, secretaries, and nurses and teachers, and that was pretty much it.
No woman was a CEO. Now there are many.
No Black person was a CEO. Now there are many.
Latinos were almost exclusively known as migrant farm workers.
Blacks couldn't vote.
Women couldn't vote.
NOBODY could vote - til they were 21.
The President of the United States was always an old or middle-aged white guy.
The minimum wage was $2.50 an hour.
There was NO "Information Age."
The "Rust Belt" wasn't. There were viable factories that featured well-paid workers who could raise their families and afford college for the kids.
ONE paycheck COULD support a family.
Dad was the one who went out to work, while Mom stayed home, and those were basically the options.
You could count the number of women in elected office pretty much on the fingers of one hand. Actually used to be that ALL the EVERYBODIES in elected office ANYWHERE - were men-only. Specifically white-men-only.
The Pope did NOT acknowledge a changing world or changing times. It took awhile for the Vatican to acknowledge that Galileo was right.
The Pope did not acknowledge "The Gay." Now (and ONLY now) we have one who asks - "who am I to judge?" when questions about gays come up.
We hadn't left the planet to land humans on the moon.
It took all day to fly from Chicago to New York, with multiple stops.
There was no such thing as jet travel.
There wasn't even propeller travel.
There were no nukes.
There were no vaccines. But there were polio victims everywhere.
There was no AIDS.
There was no recognition that AIDS was a health crisis and not "God's Revenge."
We once believed that the Sun, stars, and planets revolved around the Earth.
We once believed the world was flat - that if you reached what you'd seen as the horizon, that was the end of the world and you fell off.

The list goes on.

CHANGE HAPPENS. There is new information that arises, and arrives. And woe to us when our leaders won't acknowledge that or adjust, or expand their thinking and their worldview to address, adapt to, and work within those changes.

Jim__

(14,045 posts)
9. If Trump had any integrity, he would recognize his obvious lack of qualifications and ...
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 11:43 AM
Aug 2016

... withdraw from the race for the good of the country. Trump, of course, has no integrity.

Ligyron

(7,592 posts)
10. No dude, respectably, you don't want that!!!
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 11:47 AM
Aug 2016

The GOP would replace him with someone more electable.

As it stands now, Hills is a shoe in for President.

calimary

(80,693 posts)
19. THIS ^^^^^^^ !!!!!
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 12:48 PM
Aug 2016

We absolutely need him to stay in place. NOBODY'S done more to destabilize the enemy (the enemy in this case being the GOP). That's what we want!!!

At the rate he's going, and that destabilization is going, we could almost certainly take back the Senate, AND make substantial inroads in the House. AND make more inroads at the state level, too, where ALEC has been awfully effective at poisoning the well and pushing the CON view down the public's throat.

He could take down the GOP at the rate he's going. And that's good for all the rest of us.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. Yes. Trump is incapable of integrity, probity, morality, empathy.
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 11:54 AM
Aug 2016

His conscience is probably also arrested at a basic level that only allows him to worry about whether he can get away with something, not about right and wrong. His disorder affects his cognition and judgement too. He not only is not capable of caring about most things, he also doesn't process information he does pay attention to well.

THAT's what we really, really need most voters to understand: That Trump CAN'T function normally because h's missing these and other critical parts of a normal person.

cynzke

(1,254 posts)
12. IN RESPONSE TO TRUMP AND HIS RUBES WHO WILL TRY TO PAINT MORELL AS A STOOGE.....
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 12:21 PM
Aug 2016

Back in May of last year on Hugh Hewitt ( ) Morrell condemned Clinton for her carelessness and speculated that a foreign country with good hacking skills COULD already have her emails. Morrell is NO STOOGE for Clinton.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
13. "In the intelligence biz, we'd say that Mr. Putin had recruited Mr. Trump as an unwitting agent..."
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 12:27 PM
Aug 2016

"In the intelligence business, we would say that Mr. Putin had recruited Mr. Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation."

Yessir, I'd say that about nails it.

Highly recommend to read whole article.

Edited to add the whole quote:

The dangers that flow from Mr. Trump’s character are not just risks that would emerge if he became president. It is already damaging our national security.

President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia was a career intelligence officer, trained to identify vulnerabilities in an individual and to exploit them. That is exactly what he did early in the primaries. Mr. Putin played upon Mr. Trump’s vulnerabilities by complimenting him. He responded just as Mr. Putin had calculated.

Mr. Putin is a great leader, Mr. Trump says, ignoring that he has killed and jailed journalists and political opponents, has invaded two of his neighbors and is driving his economy to ruin. Mr. Trump has also taken policy positions consistent with Russian, not American, interests — endorsing Russian espionage against the United States, supporting Russia’s annexation of Crimea and giving a green light to a possible Russian invasion of the Baltic States.

In the intelligence business, we would say that Mr. Putin had recruited Mr. Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation.



NBachers

(16,998 posts)
15. There is no person more qualified to represent the security of the United States.His words
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 12:36 PM
Aug 2016

are authentic and credible.

lark

(22,993 posts)
16. I saw this breaking last night on Chris Hayes show, All In.
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 12:36 PM
Aug 2016

I was absolutely flabbergasted that this much truth was allowed to come out. Only thing I kind of disagree with is he's acting like Putin is manipulating Trump and that Trump is his unwitting tool. I wouldn't put it past Trump and Manafort to have devised this scheme to have all his loans forgiven, and help from Russia in winning the presidency in exchange for letting Putin invade Ukraine. The only thing I'm afraid of is Russia hacking our voting machines to make him president since it appears he won't win it on his own.

So glad this article was printed and is getting attention. It's certainly noteworthy.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
23. There goes Trumps
Fri Aug 5, 2016, 03:29 PM
Aug 2016

Plans to focus on the economy over the next week or so. He should comment once on this and move on but you know he won't.

They are playing him like a kazoo!!

All that is needed is a new release like this every week and he will spend the next 3 months throwing shit.

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