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Sun Aug 14, 2016, 08:14 PM

 

Hillary Clinton Should go Down as the Greatest American Political Figure in History...

...if you think, as I do, that Donald Trump is the greatest threat to our Freedom and our Democracy in history. I literally believe that to have a person so unstable, so incompetent, so inexperienced, so psychologically and emotionally damaged, so stubborn, so ill informed, so vindictive and so disturbed have control over the most deadly arsenal of weapons that the world has ever known is the greatest threat to this country in our history.

As evidence of my conclusion, the largest amount of members of a nominee's own party, in history, has come out against the Trump election. Every former President, all but one of the same party's nominees, many officials of Trump's own party who served in the most sensitive of positions, warn us of this unstable man taking the reigns of our government. These warnings are not just coming from Democrats, there's a deafening sound from important Republicans.

If, in the end, you come to the same conclusion that I do, than the only person, let me repeat that statement, the only person who can save this Republic from such a fate is Hillary Rodham Clinton. No one else.

Looking back to Germany, 1933, if whoever finished second in that multiple candidate election, had defeated Adolf Hitler, that person would have performed the greatest service to that nation. We may never have known of that service, because we may never have heard of Hitler, but that service would have been the greatest contribution to German, and world history.

So, if Hillary wins on Tuesday, November 8, 2016 and does nothing else for the rest of her life, she will have provided the greatest service in American history.

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Reply Hillary Clinton Should go Down as the Greatest American Political Figure in History... (Original post)
louis c Aug 2016 OP
Old and In the Way Aug 2016 #1
Kablooie Aug 2016 #2
Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2016 #57
TheProgressive Aug 2016 #3
StevieM Aug 2016 #6
pnwmom Aug 2016 #7
TheProgressive Aug 2016 #8
KMOD Aug 2016 #11
lunamagica Aug 2016 #19
pnwmom Aug 2016 #20
Laha Aug 2016 #34
KMOD Aug 2016 #35
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KMOD Aug 2016 #45
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KMOD Aug 2016 #44
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pnwmom Aug 2016 #58
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pnwmom Aug 2016 #65
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louis c Aug 2016 #12
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Duckhunter935 Aug 2016 #4
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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 08:25 PM

1. Couldn't agree more!

What we don't know about Trump scares the shit out of me. Conversely, what we know about Hillary is that she is cool and intelligent, despite 30 years of Republicans attempting to destroy her legacy. The choice in this election couldn't be more obvious to the thinking, sane part of the voting electorate.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 08:39 PM

2. This makes me wonder, what will history record about all this?

In 50 or 100 years, if the country is still functioning, how will this period be taught?

Will Trump fade away into being a minor paragraph or used as a lesson about the responsibilities of a Democracy?
And will the ignorant, pigheaded Tea Party be remembered as the instigator of Trump and who made the American Congress a joke?
Will this be seen as a turning point or just a minor fluctuation in history?

No way to know but it sure seems like a big change may be in the wind.

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 12:19 AM

57. They'll trace it back to the Reagan Years....

 

He was such a disaster to the country that the members of his administration had to spin his legacy into a success or they would never work in DC again. They treated his time as the greatest period America had ever had and his words as Holy Writ. "Government IS the problem" became their worship words.

Republicans blamed the media for America's defeat of the Vietnam War and the fall of Nixon so Reagan cleared the way for the right-wing to take over the media with the elimination of the fairness doctrine. Instead of a few comments with equal time you now had managing editors deciding who to hire and fire and they stacked the staff with like minded right-wingers.

Then along came Newt Gingrich who filled congress with a bunch of idiots who knew NOTHING about governing. He did this through his "Word List" in negative campaigns. Right-wing "think" tanks which used to try to spin unpopular policies were now re-purposed to come up with negative crap about the Democrats and the Clintons in particular. (BTW: Bob Dole admitted impeaching Bill Clinton was revenge for Nixon. As if the Democrats were at fault for Nixon's crimes.)

Then along came the Bush years and the entire apparatus switched gears to call anyone who criticized the government under Republican Rule a traitor that was secretly working for the terrorists and who wanted to have sex with Saddam. Keep in mind that a majority of this nation doesn't follow politics AT ALL. Six years into the Bush Era I was at a party and someone asked me if Bush was a Republican or a Democrat.

Then Obama came along and this zoned out population awoke to hear a black man had won the election and a LOT of people asked, "How did THAT happen?" and they tuned in to FOX "News" and in particular, Glenn Beck who told them the election was stolen and where the next Tea Party meetup was at in their area. White housewives were OUTRAGED over the idea of having their country stolen from them by a black Muslim who was going to try to destroy America from within.

The Republicans were so confident that four years of propaganda would guarantee Obama's defeat that they decided to go for broke in their greed tossed their entire rural base under Romney's bus in an attempt to install a slimy Wall Street type. Meanwhile they escalated their hatred towards people of color.

Then along came the con artist Trump and their base of angry white males worships him for his money and his hate and his hollow sales lullaby. Things like "great, fantastic, wonderful, winning" to describe himself and "sad, loser, no talent" to describe others. They KNOW he's a racist and they love him for it.

I know a Trump supporter who actually has had NIGHTMARES of hoards of "coloreds" hauling white people out of their homes and killing the men and hauling the women off for breeding with the goal of the extermination of the white race,...which is why he has guns,....and is single.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 08:44 PM

3. Oh, please....

 

Ever heard of TR, FDR, JFK, or Sanders?

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 09:05 PM

6. No disrespect to Bernie but he just hasn't had the opportunity to go down as an all time great

political figure.

I think JFK is a great figure in world history because he put a man on the moon and prevented a nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 09:44 PM

7. Hillary is the only one who can defeat the greatest threat to our Democracy we've ever faced.

The OP is right.

And she began right out of the starting gate with the most brilliantly conceived and executed convention I've ever seen.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 09:53 PM

8. No offense, any Dem could beat tRump...

 

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 10:06 PM

11. The one who overwhelming won the nomination

 

will have the chance to do so.

The one who is bringing in sane folks from all political ideology, will have the chance to do so.

The one who the electorate chose, will have the chance to do so.

The primary is over.

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 10:25 PM

19. Oh, come on. This board was months and months of "Bernie is the only one who can defeat trump"

Don't you remember that?

And now it's "Any Dem could defeat trump? GMAB

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 10:25 PM

20. I don't think any other Dem would have had such a brilliant and effective convention

after the doom and gloom event of the week before.

Hillary's convention was beyond anything I've ever seen and I doubt any other Dem this year would have done as well. And that convention, with Mr. Kahn's terribly moving speech, was what turned the page.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #20)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 11:12 PM

34. I will be an unpopular voice of disagreement with this statement.

Last edited Sun Aug 14, 2016, 11:45 PM - Edit history (1)

Although only to a point - I do think the convention itself and the overall message and direction the party is going is very positive and without question far better than the current alternative provided by Republicans.

Also before I begin being a pontificating loudmouth I give the standard disclaimer that I do not have a vote here, so disregard me at your leisure and nothing will be held against you.

...

My disagreement involves your initial statement, because there was at least one more extremely good choice for leadership and regardless of who was chosen, most of the other events would not have changed. I think it is detrimental to the public dialogue to act as if there was no other viable alternative. In my opinion there are some extremely important discussions about how your leaders are chosen that should be addressed. (And just for the sake of being open, I'll admit that the system in my own country could really use an overhaul. My leader is pretty and shiny, but I didn't vote for him.)

My reasons for this opinion are complicated, but I will agree that it is more important right now to make sure Mussolini's reincarnated turd does *NOT* take hold of your government. I will be happy to go into more detail if anyone is interested, for now I only wanted to go on record with my dissent to the assertion that Hillary was the only option.

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Response to Laha (Reply #34)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 11:23 PM

35. He lost, and by a yuge margin.

 

get over it.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #35)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 11:30 PM

37. I don't have to get over it

I don't live down there.

Ignore it all at your leisure.

For a fun comparison I see Hillary on the same political scale as our last Prime Minister. Definitely working with the overall good intentions for the general public in mind, but enjoy your corporatocracy. At this point I don't really see any way of stopping it either.

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Response to Laha (Reply #37)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 11:49 PM

45. I won't ignore it at all.

 

The primary is over and you are not free to come here and bash our nominee.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #35)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 11:46 PM

40. I just realized I made a really stupid typo on my previous post

I missed a single word that changes the meaning of almost everything....

Just to try to clarify - I do not want that orange idiot in control of anything!

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Response to Laha (Reply #40)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 11:48 PM

44. mmm hmm

 

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Response to KMOD (Reply #44)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 11:56 PM

49. I truly promise that was a mistake.

Nothing else to say. Worst typo ever.

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Response to Laha (Reply #49)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 11:58 PM

51. right.

 

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Response to KMOD (Reply #51)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 12:09 AM

55. I made a mistake while typing

I am sorry.

What you read was a complete error and I have edited my post to reflect that.

I wish I knew of something else I could do to convince you otherwise.

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Response to Laha (Reply #34)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 12:28 AM

58. You don't understand the system here. No matter how good an alternative candidate could have been,

that convention was entirely Hillary's doing (her campaign's doing). And that convention, including Mr. Kahn's passionate speech, was what turned the page. Trump had somehow gotten a bounce out of his miserable event, but Hillary's far surpassed his.

And it was the positive nature of her convention that helped her. It wasn't full of angry, bitter people shouting for someone to be locked up and complaining about a rigged system. It was four days of talking about how we, as Americans, are stronger together -- in all our diversity.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #58)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 01:17 AM

61. I'll definitely give it to you that I don't fully understand your system

However I think it's kind of unfair to suggest the convention was entirely Hillary's work. There were a lot of people there who would have been equally enthusiastic had the Democratic nominee been someone else. The Democratic party would still have a beautiful, unifying message to convey against the Republican alternative.

I actually don't want to argue about this - I do hope Hillary wins now. I am however willing to make myself unpopular by saying it's probably a good idea to step back and consider some of what brought us here. And I'm not bashing your nominee by saying this - I actually have a good deal of respect for Hillary and her accomplishments.

At least like I tried(and failed miserably) to say earlier, it's far more important right now to make sure Drumpf does not take power. I only speak up to try to ensure important issues are not entirely forgotten in all the confusion, and I will withdraw from the conversation now so it does not get unnecessarily derailed.

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Response to Laha (Reply #61)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 01:24 AM

62. The primary is over,

 

by the way, this is how Hillary Clinton handled a much closer race.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #62)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 01:30 AM

63. I know the primary is over.

I also know I'm not the only one who saw problems with the process. Acting like no discussion should be allowed is detrimental to a healthy democracy.

That being said - go Hillary! I will be dancing in the streets when she destroys that self-centered megalomaniac. Peace and luck to you all.

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Response to Laha (Reply #63)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 01:31 AM

64. The process worked fine.

 

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Response to KMOD (Reply #64)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 01:37 AM

66. I am very much trying to avoid any arguments

So I will let America speak for itself.

“I’m a superdelegate,” Warren said, “and I don’t believe in superdelegates.”



I'm not being paranoid by pointing out there might be problems, when your own politicians admit there are problems.

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Response to Laha (Reply #66)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 01:51 AM

67. You can take the superdelegates out of the picture

 

and she still won.

She won with super delegates, she won without super delegates, she won the popular vote, she won the delegate count, she won the states. She flat out won. And by a large margin.

The process worked. She not only won, she won by a huge margin. That is not debatable.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #67)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 02:00 AM

70. When you look at it from the angle of media/Democratic leadership bias

then it is very debatable.

But I'm not going to.

I actually would much rather see Hillary as president than almost anyone else right now anyway. I don't want to waste anyone's energy with this argument right now. But we would all be foolish to ignore it completely.

Even if you don't believe it, I am actually on your side.

Good luck, and good night.

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Response to Laha (Reply #70)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 02:10 AM

72. Nope. That shit needs to be nipped in the bud.

 

It's not debatable.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #72)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 02:15 AM

73. We'll have to agree to disagree here

You might not like it, but from my perspective I saw something very different from what you are describing.

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Response to Laha (Reply #73)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 02:22 AM

74. Nope. I'm not going to entertain the bullshit.

 

You're wrong. I will not let this be another bullshit story about Hillary Clinton.

I've had enough of this shit. Peddle it elsewhere.

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Response to Laha (Reply #61)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 01:35 AM

65. The convention was entirely the work of Hillary's campaign. Both the message -- stronger together --

and the execution of the convention was conceived and carried out by her campaign -- not some generic Democrats.

Yes, most delegates would have been enthusiastic about whomever our nominee was.

But Hillary's campaign deserves the credit for what they were able to put together. I've been watching these events on TV since the 70's and haven't ever seen any convention by either party that was so thoughtfully and successfully carried out. And that was especially gratifying after having to listen to Trump's bragging about what a great show he was going to put on.

That being said, yes, it was just a convention. We have almost three months to slog through and we can't let up. We have to all work together and I'm very grateful that Bernie and his supporters -- and Martin and his supporters -- are on the team.

I just wish Jill Stein would . . . .never mind.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #65)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 01:55 AM

68. Thank you for your thoughtful responses

Here my knowledge of your election process, especially the specifics of your conventions and who plays the parts of organizer and/or host is severely lacking. I won't bother you with the task of informing me, I'll just go do some more reading when I've got time.

I appreciate the time you've taken to talk to me and I look forward to celebrating with you when Hillary wins.

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Response to Laha (Reply #68)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 01:57 AM

69. You referred to us as "down there."

Does that mean you're in Canada?

The nicest, most helpful people I meet when traveling always seem to be in Canada.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #69)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 02:04 AM

71. Yupyup!

I try to be as opinionated up here close to home as well, but your politics are so much more interesting most of the time.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #65)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 05:13 AM

80. Completely agree.

That convention was amazing! And there is no way Bernie would have had all the different sorts of people come forward and support him from the other side because of having worked with him to make thing happen. He doesn't work with Dems, much less the other side.

I started the primary leaning Bernie. As the campaign unfolded I became less and less impressed with his campaign. I was in politics and ran for a 14+ county wide seat. I took pains to contact every single county org to form a working relationship (before actual election). I knew each county party was different and I knew I had to learn those differences to be effective. Imagine my surprise at how often the Sanders campaign would raise the hue and cry after a primary..."It was a closed primary!!1! Not fair!!" Stuff like that. Why wasn't that stuff looked into and addressed long before? Amateur campaign.

Frankly I don't think we are worse off by not having two angry old white men, known for not working well with others, yelling at us for the campaign season.

Julie

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 10:08 PM

12. none of them kept a Hitler-like figure from taking over the U.S.

 

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 10:32 PM

25. TR, FDR, or...Sanders?

sorry, but SBS is no way in the same league with the others

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #25)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 07:55 AM

85. my first thought

one of these is not like the others.

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #3)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 07:26 PM

91. Colonel Sanders?

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 08:52 PM

4. Yes we know

 

Been told many time she is perfect

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 10:19 PM

16. ...

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #16)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 10:27 PM

22. what, did you alert on that?

 

It's called

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 08:56 PM

5. I'm willing to wait until after her first four years before I agree. nt

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 10:01 PM

9. You know at this point a rag doll can probably beat Trump

 

The last 2-3 weeks has been a train wreck for Trump's campaign and the vast majority of it was completely self-inflected.

I've never seen a candidate for any office shoot themselves in the foot as much as that guy has.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 10:15 PM

14. The electorate overwhemingly chose Hillary Clinton to do so.

 

The primary is over.

Stop dismissing our nominee. There is a reason she is the nominee.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 10:30 PM

24. A rag doll wouldn't have put together that brilliant convention. Or invited Mr. Kahn to speak.

Or drawn the support of all the other speakers there.

That wasn't a generic Dem convention. It was something Hillary's team could pull together, based on her decades of experience and knowing what works.

And that convention turned the page.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #24)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 03:19 AM

75. How did Hillary make Trump insult the Khans?

 

And how did she make him threaten her with the second amendment? How did she make him talk about using nukes?

It does not take a genius to make Donald Trump say something incredibly stupid.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #75)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 03:32 AM

76. Hillary's campaign made the smart and non-obvious decision, months earlier, to ask Khan to speak

at the convention. Even if Trump hadn't insulted the Khans afterwards, that speech at the convention was already incredibly powerful in highlighting Trump's un-American stance on Muslims and immigrants. Trump's reaction was a bonus.

And Hillary also has the sense to get out of the way when Trump is making a fool out of himself, and to let him hog the spotlight as much as he wants. Not every candidate would have the discipline to do that.

http://theweek.com/articles/642313/how-khans-went-from-private-grief-national-spotlight

Months ago, Mr. Khan was quoted in an article in Vocativ, an online publication, criticizing Trump's position on Muslims. When asked about Muslim extremism in the United States, he recounted a conversation with his older son about the need to root out "traitors" among them. Seeing the article, campaign officials for Hillary Clinton wanted to put his son in a video to be shown at the convention, and then asked the Khans if they wished to say a few words. And now all this.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-khans-trump-timeline-20160801-snap-htmlstory.html

On Dec. 7, and in the midst of the Republican primary, Trump released a statement in response to the San Bernardino terrorist attack, calling for a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims” entering the U.S.

The next day, Khizr Khan denounced Trump’s statement on Vocativ, saying: “It’s the values [of this country] that brought us here, not our religion. Trump’s position on these issues do not represent those values.”

SNIP

Hillary Clinton first mentioned Humayun Khan in a speech in Minneapolis on Dec. 15, when she quoted the elder Khan’s Vocativ comments.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #9)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 07:26 PM

92. Then that rag-doll would go down as the greatest ever

 

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 10:06 PM

10. I think she will be a mediocre POTUS.

Fact of the matter is she is a polarizing figure and if the Rethuglicans have either the House, Senate, or both then we are in for a LOT more gridlock. Could even reach constitutional crisis levels.

But she light years better than Drumpf. No comparison, whatsoever.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 10:14 PM

13. Don't you get the OP?

 

It doesn't matter what else she does. She's all that stands between a totalitarian dictator taking over America or continuing our Freedom. Hence, the Post quote of "if she wins, and does nothing else the rest of her life"

If the guy who finished second to Hitler in 1933 had won, he would have performed the greatest service to German and World history. Stopping Donald Trump is what's at stake.

I hope you understand the point.

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Response to louis c (Reply #13)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 12:45 AM

60. You might be fooling some, but you're not fooling me.

 

Christ, you read just like that idiot Manny Goldstein that used to post here before he was banned.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #60)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 05:43 PM

88. Actually, I'm not Christ,

 

but don't let that bother you. A lot of people make that same mistake

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 10:17 PM

15. More backhanded bullshit.

 

The primary is over. Anyone who finds her polarizing is buying into right wing bullshit.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #15)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 10:21 PM

17. LMAO.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #17)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 10:23 PM

18. What's so funny, roamer?

 

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Response to KMOD (Reply #18)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 10:26 PM

21. You.

Being the primary is over police...lol.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #21)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 10:39 PM

26. Well, we are supposed to be returning to civility.

 

And, the primary is over.

Your comment seems very petty.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #26)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 11:29 PM

36. You should brag up that John Negroponte endorsement while ur at it.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #36)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 11:50 PM

46. should I?

 

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 10:30 PM

23. ICAM! Too bad so many don't get what you are saying in your post

I believe she will be a great POTUS, but the fact is that being the one who keeps trump from the presidency will save the world.

17 others tried to defeat trump, but couldn't. She's the only one who can keep that nightmare from happening.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #23)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 10:40 PM

27. True, but that points more to lucky timing...

 

than any other positives.

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Response to scscholar (Reply #27)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 10:47 PM

28. SMH

 

You just can't help yourselves, can ya?

So when the woman wins it's lucky timing, even though she beat a very popular Senator Sanders by a wide margin.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 10:48 PM

29. Well, I'd rank her somewhere in the vicinity of FDR.

But Abraham Lincoln stands head and shoulders about all other presidents. He was faced with an actual civil war (brought on by forces that are the antecedents of the Trump folks today).

But yeah, if Hillary pulls this off--and I hope to God she will--her contribution to saving this republic will be incalculable.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 11:00 PM

30. Yes I agree with that, but Hillary is not my choice because of that

Hillary is the best, most qualified living human being to become President, period. Her negatives are manufactured by Republicans and the complicit media for the past 20+ years in anticipation that she was that formidable and would eventually run.

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Response to ToxMarz (Reply #30)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 11:08 PM

32. .

 

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 11:06 PM

31. I admire and like Hillary, but I think there is a tad of hyperbole here....

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...I don't mean that Trump is NOT one of the greatest threats to our nation. He absolutely is and his becoming president would certainly cause a lot of damage if not the end (totally depends on whether he'd get quickly impeached).

However, as Hillary keeps reminding us "Stronger Together" or "It takes a village." She didn't come up with that convention on her own. And she's already said that she'll take advice from anyone and everyone who can help her, like former president Obama. The buck will stop with her, as it must, but she's not going to pretend, as so many presidents do (*cough* George Bush*cough*) that she is some kind of lone maverick managing everything all on her own.

So, I'd say that the current democratic party should be named the greatest in American history, because it IS hanging together, and gathering in people from all sides, Sanders independents included, to fight off this monster. Hillary may be the U.S.A. in this re-fighting of WWII against Hitler, but America did not fight alone nor could it have won all on its own.

As Abe Lincoln had his team of rivals and great generals, as Kennedy had his brothers and brilliant NASA scientists (etc. etc. —fill in your favorite President), so Hillary is captaining a ship that is being sailed by a great many crew. Whether she goes down as the greatest political figure because of this one success (let's hope it is that—no counting chickens here), remains to be seen. We don't know what she'll have to face while in office or how she'll handle it.

IMHO, no president or political figure can rightly be judged till they've finished their time in office.

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Response to Moonwalk (Reply #31)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 11:10 PM

33. obvious hyperbole is obvious

 

Lots of facebook friends as well.

Just a heads up.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #33)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 11:44 PM

39. Whatever your point, it wasn't obvious to me.

Was there a point?

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Response to Moonwalk (Reply #39)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 11:47 PM

42. The OP is hyperbolic.

 

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Response to KMOD (Reply #42)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 07:14 AM

83. Trump = Hitler

 

Is that hyperbolic enough for you?

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Response to Moonwalk (Reply #31)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 12:35 AM

59. Her campaign put that convention together on its own. They didn't require the assistance

of any other campaign, except for Bernie to give his endorsement.

I do give full credit to Bernie for being there now when we need him. His continuing support will be critical. But he wasn't responsible for orchestrating that convention.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #59)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 12:16 PM

87. I didn't mean that Bernie had anything to do with her convention, nor to...

...say she wasn't in charge of it. But Hillary didn't put up all those balloons by herself either. For almost 25 years Hillary's been saying "It takes a village" and I think it's time we listened to her, because cults of personality are always a danger (see: Donald Trump). That we are "stronger together" is exactly what this convention proved. There were a lot of speech makers, and even if Hillary picked/approved of everyone, she didn't write all their speeches. Nor tell them how to deliver those speeches. Which, to my mind, is what she would have had to do to be given ALL the credit for that convention and its success. Each and every one of those speakers wrote those speeches, they brought their energy, they brought their passion, they brought their dedication.

Thus THEY and all the volunteers and members of the DNC who passed out signs and put up balloons and worked the videos and made sure the hall rocked with music...ALL OF THEM, including Sanders who got 89% of voters there for him to cheer for Hillary, ALL OF THEM made this convention one of the most amazing in American History. There are lot of conventions that get spoken of as turning points, and this, I've no doubt, will be one of them. And Hillary's name will be remembered for it. But whether she leaves office viewed as "The greatest American political figure in history"...that waits to be seen. No man or woman, to my mind, deserves to be called that before he/she has even taken the oath of office.

Putting it another way: stopping Trump will be the first, not the last or only thing important and memorable thing she will do in office. Let's not put the cart before the horse. There's still a long way to go till we can say that we have solidly and conclusively proven that she deserves such an accolade.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 11:30 PM

38. This is a great point, but for me personally, the more important thing is what she'll mean to women.

She's going to be on our money someday. First Woman President. That qualifies her for a special place in the history books - right there. Barack Obama stands in that unique position, too. If he did NOTHING else, the fact that he's the first Black President, alone, is enough to give him special status in history. It just so happens he's been a pretty doggone terrific President, aside from simply that big first. I think Hillary will be a terrific President, too. Just remember, there've been 44 Presidents of the United States. They've ALL been men. All of them white except for one African American, but still, ALL MEN.

YES, she IS most definitely the one person who can save us from a Trump disaster. And that's urgently important, particularly when the alternative is Mr. "if we have nukes, why can't we use them?". But by the time history records that monumental accomplishment of being the first woman to win the Oval Office, Trump will be an asterisk, if anything. He'll be present on all the lists of who won and who was the opponent, the same way Adlai Stevenson and Walter Mondale and Samuel Tilden and Mitt Romney and Horace Greeley and John Fremont and Bob Dole will make those lists. This is EARTH-SHAKING, folks. Monumental! As our friend Joe Biden would put it - becoming the first woman elected President of the United States is a "Big Fucking Deal." One that affects slightly more than half the population not only of this country but of the entire planet - of ANY skin color, religion, or political persuasion.

I'm sorry, but long-range, I just don't see Bernie Sanders deserving any special ranking, except to be included on lists of ALL candidates who participated in primary elections.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 11:46 PM

41. To date we haven't had a Presidential candidate who was perfect. I don't see that changed, yet.

Hillary has her strengths, and a few apparent issues with some of the electorate. I've seen presidential runs for a good few decades now and although Hillary is certainly a strong candidate with a well organized ground game I suspect any good democratic candidate would best Trump in his current form, especially with the desertions and complaints and outright condemnations by GOP regulars. Trump is his own worst enemy as a candidate. QED.

Hillary has promised and appears to be working on healing the party. Time will tell on that. I believe she has the tools and the ability to run a successful campaign. I would love to see her run an exceptional one and certainly the country needs and deserves that from her, as it would from anyone running against the monstrous evil that the GOP now represents, and who now represents the GOP.

I'd like to state here and now that campaigns are won by many more people than the candidate, having participated in more than a few of them. No single candidate alone wins a political race but one alone can certainly lose one, as we have seen before and I suspect are witnessing now.

Trump will be beaten. He will be beaten by a good candidate running against him and for Humanity. He will be beaten by voters registered and gotten to the polls in good order so that their votes are recorded and in theory counted.

Stopping Trump will be very nearly a hollow victory if the GOP retains control of House and Senate. Make no mistake that the opposition will do anything and everything in its considerable power to forestall Democratic victories at all levels from dog catcher and school board up to Senator and President.

Beating Trump doesn't take a Saint. It will take a lot of damn hard work as campaigns always do, a certain amount of luck, an electorate willing to hold the press accountable for the truth about Trump and the GOP, and a Candidate who is willing to speak honestly and directly to the needs of the people.

The Candidate who can take that risk will be rewarded by the plurality of voters as will the Party she represents. Let us hope she will recognize the opportunity and oblige us all with a stirring campaign.



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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 11:48 PM

43. Stop! You're killing me!!

 

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #43)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 11:51 PM

47. seriously?

 

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Response to KMOD (Reply #47)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 11:53 PM

48. Greater than Washington? Lincoln? FDR?

 

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #48)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 11:57 PM

50. The OP appears to be some sort of a backhanded joke to me.

 

I find the content disingenuous.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #50)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 07:30 PM

93. If you beleive, as I do, that Trump = Hitler

 

Then the person who defeats a Hitler like presidential candidate is the greatest American political Figure in U.S. History.

If you think Trump's just another politician who you happen to disagree with, but carries no great threat to the nation if elected, than Hillary is no special figure at all.

I happen to think that Trump is a totalitarian madman who could destroy the Republic.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #48)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 07:58 AM

86. on the terms stated

Washington did not have to run against anyone really. Stephen Douglas or FDR's opponents would have been OK Presidents. The Hitler comparison would be exaggerated though as no POTUS could grab the power Hitler could. Our system would work as usual and Donald would not be able to just issue E.O.s for what he'd want - they could be challenged in the courts and he could lose. He could pitch a fit but not much else.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Sun Aug 14, 2016, 11:58 PM

52. She'll be Grover Clevland ver 2.0

 

Obama was Grover Clevland ver 1.0

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Response to Larkspur (Reply #52)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 07:36 PM

94. James Buchanan was no Adolf Hitler

 

Why don't you get the post?

It's so clear. Trump equals Hitler. Hillary beats Hitler. The Republic is saved.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 12:02 AM

53. Huh?

A limp dishrag with a (D) behind its name would beat trump.

It must gall Hillary to no end that her presidency is always going to be remembered as the answer to the joke candidate. I'm sure she wanted to run and beat someone of some actual substance.

This will look like a gimme to history.

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #53)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 12:05 AM

54. You just can't freaking stop, can you.

 

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #53)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 07:13 AM

82. But there isn't anyone except Hillary

 

Get it?

The only person left that stands between the Untied States and Donald Trump is Hillary Clinton.

There is no more speculation and hypotheticals. It's Hillary or America's version of Hitler. The person who finally saves us from Trump is the hero of American history.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 12:15 AM

56. Many Democratic naysayers are going to eat crow when Hillary is president.

I believe she will surprise everyone who blindly bought into the false narrative about her.

Just my humble prediction...

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Response to Koinos (Reply #56)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 03:34 AM

77. I will be thrilled to eat crow. However the OP is pretty silly.

 

My eating crow- or not- will depend on how and what she does as president.

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Response to cali (Reply #77)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 07:09 AM

81. No it's not.

 

Did you read the whole post?

If you think Trump is as dangerous as I do, just beating him makes that the greatest service in American history.

If the guy who finished second had actually beat Hitler in the 1933 election in Germany, that would have been the greatest service in the history of mankind. What else that person did would be irrelevant.

Get it?

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 03:35 AM

78. Operative word: SHOULD

And some day we'll be able to have that conversation without the sneering sniping from those who will never give her credit for anything ever. She will be among the most important and the most impactful, and she'll leave a good imprint in spite of anything the Republicans and their willing co-snipers throw at her.


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Response to louis c (Original post)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 04:04 AM

79. Putting people like Trump in charge is probably why the human race also just experienced a ........

millennium and half of dark ages. Living by clues of one's emotions rather than the actual reality will do that to you.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 07:25 AM

84. I haven't heard a good pitch for either one...

 

... That didn't reference the other in months.

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Response to TipTok (Reply #84)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 05:52 PM

89. Then you've not been paying attention.

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Response to TipTok (Reply #84)

Tue Aug 16, 2016, 12:33 AM

95. That's because this race has become a joke, a Potemkin Presidential race

 

The Republicans have been disintegrating for years and the top Repukes have been in denial.

The top Repukes will kiss HRC's cheeks, but they will also fight for Repukes to remain in control of Congress.

The only winners in this race are the upper 1%.

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Response to louis c (Original post)

Mon Aug 15, 2016, 06:06 PM

90. Agreed.

The fact that she has thrived despite the right wing nonsense that has been thrown at her from time immemorial, come so close in 2008 and stay involved by serving as Secretary of State, and that in her race against Trump, she has dealt with the 'lock her up' chants and the assassination threat with grace and good humor shows her strength and resiliency. I know I would crumble under such pressure.

I am glad to be voting for someone with her strength of character and courage to stay in the fight no matter what is hurled her way. She is a force of nature to be sure.

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