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onecaliberal

(32,742 posts)
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 01:22 PM Sep 2016

If you're a white gun humping government hating American seizing and occupying government land

Causing millions of dollars in vandalism, we will treat you with kindness and deference. If you are Native American trying to protect your own land and water, you will be threatened with arrest, vicious dogs will be released to attack you, your movement will be restricted on your own land. I've heard almost none of this on the main stream media.

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If you're a white gun humping government hating American seizing and occupying government land (Original Post) onecaliberal Sep 2016 OP
K&R! G_j Sep 2016 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Initech Sep 2016 #2
Really? How long did they occupy GOVERNMENT land before they were taken out. onecaliberal Sep 2016 #3
You're kidding, right? nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2016 #12
Yeah this is a joke that backfired and I'd like to bail out now. Initech Sep 2016 #15
The failings of our corporate media, selling what they want to sell ffr Sep 2016 #4
You nailed it lunatica Sep 2016 #5
Exactly Mike__M Sep 2016 #28
Anything that makes the black community Coolest Ranger Sep 2016 #6
There is no media in this country elmac Sep 2016 #7
With our quest for "entertainment" awoke_in_2003 Sep 2016 #13
They did shoot that one douchebag mwrguy Sep 2016 #8
He was unarmed, and there is a story to that incident. astral Sep 2016 #34
That was all after he attempted vehicular homicide Saviolo Sep 2016 #35
Um, no- Blue Tarp man had a loaded handgun in his coat pocket and went for it snooper2 Sep 2016 #37
Great post malaise Sep 2016 #9
Trial starts Tomorrow Punx Sep 2016 #10
I miss Walter Cronkite. demigoddess Sep 2016 #11
Me too! revmclaren Sep 2016 #30
I have read several articles on this and each one said it wasn't on tribal land? newrandomuser Sep 2016 #14
The lines WILL run within a mile of their land and WILL poison THEIR water onecaliberal Sep 2016 #16
Define "tribal land" Mike__M Sep 2016 #31
Great tip for when you talk to a Conserva"teeve" ... nikto Sep 2016 #17
Ridiculous hyperbole... Ask David Koresh and Randy Weaver how well they were treated by the feds.... jack_krass Sep 2016 #18
Ask the feds how well they were treated by Timothy McVeigh. lastlib Sep 2016 #19
Oklahoma City came after Waco and Ruby Ridge. NuclearDem Sep 2016 #23
True, but it did nothing to curb their enthusiasm to use force against the native population Exilednight Sep 2016 #24
It most assuredly is NOT DEAD! lastlib Sep 2016 #25
The militia movement of the time died out. NuclearDem Sep 2016 #26
I would vigorously disagree. lastlib Sep 2016 #27
Sure didn't die out 2naSalit Sep 2016 #29
Yes, let's cite examples from decades in the past as if they're currently relevant Orrex Sep 2016 #33
They are The "We Want Free Stuff Militia" JunkYardDogg Sep 2016 #20
Hear, hear!! Missn-Hitch Sep 2016 #21
Because no one gives a shit. We have been a country of narrow minded, self-interested, nihilistic Feeling the Bern Sep 2016 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author mark67 Sep 2016 #32
Despicable TryLogic Sep 2016 #36
k and r niyad Sep 2016 #38
I just spent the best week of my life there at Standing Rock sagetea Sep 2016 #39
Thom Hartmann just mentioned your post on his show! geardaddy Sep 2016 #40
Wow!! onecaliberal Sep 2016 #41

Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

onecaliberal

(32,742 posts)
3. Really? How long did they occupy GOVERNMENT land before they were taken out.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 02:24 PM
Sep 2016

How much damage did they cause? Enjoy the dust bin

ffr

(22,665 posts)
4. The failings of our corporate media, selling what they want to sell
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 02:45 PM
Sep 2016

They don't want equal justice to be seen or heard. Theirs is a political agenda for power and wealth. Native American Indians won't provide any of those qualities to them, however rich RW Bundy supporters will. It just takes a corrupt branch of the media, like Fox Entertainment to broadcast propaganda and the nation's followers will follow.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
5. You nailed it
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 02:52 PM
Sep 2016

Not only should the media be covering this issue and the treatment that Native Americans are still subjected to, but they should drag Hillary and Trump and President Obama onto the carpet to answer for they're complete lack of action or interest in the subject.

They'd be all over it if the candidates needed the Native American vote in order to win.

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
6. Anything that makes the black community
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 02:53 PM
Sep 2016

my community look bad the media goes for it. But anything that makes the white man looks good, they run with it 24/7. I'm sick of the way the media treats us

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
7. There is no media in this country
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 03:23 PM
Sep 2016

only canned corporate propaganda. The million dollar propaganda anchors are not to be trusted either, welcome to 1984 on steroids.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
13. With our quest for "entertainment"
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 04:06 PM
Sep 2016

and self-medication, I think we are a hybrid of Orwell and Huxley.

 

astral

(2,531 posts)
34. He was unarmed, and there is a story to that incident.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 07:38 AM
Sep 2016

Whether or not you believe in what these people were doing, they were not committing violence. He got out of the car so police would stop shooting AT THE CAR FULL OF PEOPLE. He walked away from the car, held his arms up, and said go ahead and shoot me. And they did. They were supposedly on their way to a place to meet with authorities when they found out it was a setup and they were getting shot at and forced to stop driving. This is what I remember from the interview with the victim's wife, who was a passenger in the car.

What were they thinking? Was everyone in the car supposed to die? That's the only thing that makes sense to me.

And perhaps population control can be achieved by shooting every person labeled as a 'douchebag' anyway. That would include everyone who carries ('humps') guns.

Being armed is Un-American now. Calling yourself an American is also Un-American it would seem.

RIP, LaVoy Finicum.

Saviolo

(3,278 posts)
35. That was all after he attempted vehicular homicide
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 10:49 AM
Sep 2016

I watched the video, one officer had to dive out of the way of that truck as it came up on the snowbank directly at him.

They weren't committing violence, they were inviting it. Repeatedly. They said over and over that if the feds came to take the government-owned taxpayer-funded land back from the occupiers, that they would happily have a violent standoff with federal agents. They'd rather die than be in prison, etc...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/01/27/lavoy-finicum-ore-occupier-who-said-hed-rather-die-than-go-to-jail-did-just-that/

They had repeatedly told the media that they were armed and ready to retaliate if federal agents decided to intervene, so the federal agents were rightly worried about armed retaliation.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
37. Um, no- Blue Tarp man had a loaded handgun in his coat pocket and went for it
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 11:22 AM
Sep 2016

Blue Tarp man wanted to die and, he did. A lot of us are upset he didn't get buried with the blue tarp though

Punx

(446 posts)
10. Trial starts Tomorrow
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 03:28 PM
Sep 2016

I happen to know people who work for the federal government at the courthouse, and suffice to say they are not happy with these idiots. This trial is going to have heavy security and be very expensive. More of taxpayer money gone because of them.

revmclaren

(2,497 posts)
30. Me too!
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 02:17 AM
Sep 2016

Way back when reporters reported news, and didn't try to twist it, fabricate it, or hide it when ordered to do so by their 'owners'. Truth to the public meant something.

These are sad and frustrating times.



Mike__M

(1,052 posts)
31. Define "tribal land"
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 03:26 AM
Sep 2016

Most of us consider all of the "New World" to be tribal land. Federal Indian Law sees it as what they define as "Indian Country." Popular misconception sees it contained strictly within reservation boundaries.
It (the pipeline and excavation) is not on the reservation, but passes close to it. However, most treaties (the supreme law of the land according to Article VI of the constitution) recognized, confirmed and preserved the peoples' rights to customary use of their ancestral treaty lands and waters. I don't know about the Fort Laramie treaty, but I'd guess the pipeline is violating those kinds of lands and waters.

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
17. Great tip for when you talk to a Conserva"teeve" ...
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 05:35 PM
Sep 2016

Any RWer who complains about Colin Kaepernick's defiance of the Anthem,
should be asked how they feel about Cliven Bundy's governmental defiance in
(Malheur National Forest) Nevada in 2014 (you know-----Heavily-armed, hi-jacking a gov't facility,
costing taxpayers million$, Bundy's greedy motive--Not paying fees, desiring the land for his own own personal profit, etc etc).


I predict, at least 50% of the Kaepernick-haters LOVE Cliven Bundy,
making them hypocrites of the most disgusting kind.

 

jack_krass

(1,009 posts)
18. Ridiculous hyperbole... Ask David Koresh and Randy Weaver how well they were treated by the feds....
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 05:48 PM
Sep 2016

How about we demand that the feds treat *everyone* with at least dignity and respect.

lastlib

(23,119 posts)
19. Ask the feds how well they were treated by Timothy McVeigh.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 08:04 PM
Sep 2016

(I think you may have a couple too many letters in your name......)

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
23. Oklahoma City came after Waco and Ruby Ridge.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:15 PM
Sep 2016

The mishandling of Waco and Ruby Ridge ultimately made the federal government ease its tactics against white supremacists and militias, and the fallout from Oklahoma City made the militia movement toxic and eventually caused it die out.

lastlib

(23,119 posts)
27. I would vigorously disagree.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 11:09 PM
Sep 2016

During the past fifteen years, I monitored the SPLC's website, as well as others, tracking these organizations, and witnessed their growth. Two decades after OKC, they have new leadership, and exist in different groups, and some of the groups of the time are gone, but the militia movement has never gone away. Some of the old groups may have experienced a decline but they are still in existence.

2naSalit

(86,293 posts)
29. Sure didn't die out
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 11:59 PM
Sep 2016

up here in rendyweaverland or davidkorechville. They got quiet for a spell, they never died out, I live here and have since before those events, they are just starting to get fidgety again so we see/hear them acting out again, especially because of Kochs and the vapid hate for Obama.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
22. Because no one gives a shit. We have been a country of narrow minded, self-interested, nihilistic
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:05 PM
Sep 2016

sociopaths. I do not believe in my heart those types of the minority.

Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

sagetea

(1,366 posts)
39. I just spent the best week of my life there at Standing Rock
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 12:51 PM
Sep 2016

To witness over 180 tribes standing in unity, was to say the least, remarkable! Those "white, gun humping, government hating, American seizing and occupying government land" idiots, have no clue how to be in unity. These people are prepared for the long haul, they've been attacked by dogs, pepper sprayed, lied to and lied about, yet they still are strong with true righteousness and doing it all with out guns.

I stand with Standing Rock


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