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kentuck

(111,079 posts)
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 12:16 AM Sep 2016

Is the CNN poll for real?

The one that shows Trump up by 2% over Hillary?

Supposedly, it was likely voters that were polled, usually a little more accurate than registered voters.

Is this an "outlier" poll?

Also, I do not believe that Johnson (Libertarian) takes votes away from Hillary. I think he takes Republican votes and they want some folks to think otherwise...

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Is the CNN poll for real? (Original Post) kentuck Sep 2016 OP
Yes and no lapfog_1 Sep 2016 #1
"in fact, those numbers are way off. " former9thward Sep 2016 #7
self-reported democrats always a bit higher than republicans renegade000 Sep 2016 #8
They expect whites will flood the polls Cicada Sep 2016 #2
They exclude millennials? C_U_L8R Sep 2016 #3
Not worth losing any sleep over it davidn3600 Sep 2016 #4
It's one poll in a handful. Drunken Irishman Sep 2016 #5
This is an impossible question to answer. Instead, average all the polls Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #6
It could be that some Independents that were repulsed by Trump Gman Sep 2016 #9
Among other flaws, they failed to take into account... pinboy3niner Sep 2016 #10
no MFM008 Sep 2016 #11

lapfog_1

(29,199 posts)
1. Yes and no
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 12:20 AM
Sep 2016

so they changed to likely voters instead of registered voters (so you can't compare to previous CNN polls).

And, they also decided to over sample republican voters as if this was a midterm election.

As I recall they sampled something like 32 % republican, 28% democrat, and 40% independent.

This is not the usual "likely voter" percentages in a presidential election... in fact, those numbers are way off.

renegade000

(2,301 posts)
8. self-reported democrats always a bit higher than republicans
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 12:51 AM
Sep 2016

For a couple of decades at least now. The fact that the original "unskewed polls" guy everyone was making fun of in 2012 was "unskewing" the polls to make the GOP and Democratic sample EQUAL (and predicted a Romney victory), should give you some indication about how off this current poll is in its demographic assumptions.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
2. They expect whites will flood the polls
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 12:21 AM
Sep 2016

Maybe early voting in white vs hispanic districts will help us test that idea.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
4. Not worth losing any sleep over it
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 12:32 AM
Sep 2016

It's 1 one poll taken 2 months out before we've even had the debates.

I'd be more worried about the general trend in the polls taken as a whole which does seem to show the race tightening. Perhaps Trump being tamed a bit has brought some uneasy Republicans back into the fray. Clinton's big leads was mainly due to those Republicans peeling away. But I always assumed those voters were eventually come back. So the tightening isn't surprising if that is the reason for it.

As for Johnson...who knows. I've read some pollsters say that so far they don't see either Johnson or Stein making any real significant difference.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
5. It's one poll in a handful.
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 12:33 AM
Sep 2016

In 2012, in their final election poll, CNN had Obama and Romney tied.

Obama won by 4%.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
6. This is an impossible question to answer. Instead, average all the polls
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 12:34 AM
Sep 2016

taken in the last week or so. That's the only way you will get close to an answer.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
9. It could be that some Independents that were repulsed by Trump
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 01:00 AM
Sep 2016

And went to Hillary are finding they can't do that either. So they move to Johnson.

MFM008

(19,805 posts)
11. no
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 03:29 AM
Sep 2016

You have the NBC poll thats holding pretty steady. This is when steady counts. It seems they throw in a ringer or 2 or 10 to keep her poll average down every poll .

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