IMAGE WARNING: Police take shocking photos of two adults overdosing in car with child in back seat

[FrodosPet]

Police take shocking photos of two adults overdosing in car with child in back seat

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WCPO Staff | 9:55 AM, Sep 9, 2016

EAST LIVERPOOL, Ohio -- Shocking photos highlighting Ohio's heroin epidemic are spreading after city officials posted it on Facebook Thursday.

The images show two adults who police say were overdosing on heroin in a car with a little boy in the backseat.

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"We feel it necessary to show the other side of this horrible drug," the post states. "We feel we need to be a voice for the children caught up in this horrible mess. This child can't speak for himself but we are hopeful this story can convince another user to think twice about injecting this poison while having a child in their custody."

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The officer said Acord soon passed out as well. Emergency crews responded and administered Narcan, a drug used to reverse the effects of a heroin overdose. Acord and Pasek regained consciousness and were taken to the hospital.

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[Sherman A1]

1. Sad

simply sad....

[monmouth4]

2. What I don't understand is Narcan for these guys and all is well but that EpiPen or whatever it's

called for children and others with deadly allergies, is un-affordable. What gives I wonder..

[get the red out]

7. I think the EpiPen cost issue

is more recent than the issue of Narcan availability.

[WhiteTara]

13. Don't worry. The price of this drug was

just jacked to the sky as well.

[Liberal_in_LA]

3. omg

[closeupready]

4. This is even worse than the neglect suffered by Bobbi Kristina Brown.

I don't see a good outcome for that child.

[Go Vols]

5. Thats fucked up

poor kid.

[get the red out]

6. I hope treatment

becomes better and much more available. So many people are being lost.

[geek tragedy]

8. I've seen the needle and the damage done

A little part of it in everyone
But every junkie is like a settin' sun

[TheSarcastinator]

9. Morally and Intellectually Bankrupt Drug Warriors Think Public Shaming Cures Disease

What total f*cking idiocy: our LEOs apparently do not understand that shaming sick people does not lead to a cure. If you think that publishing these photos would cause anyone already far gone enough to do this to "think twice", you're just as stupid as the cops who posted this invasive, morally backward idiocy.

[Maru Kitteh]

12. I think they're just frustrated and desperate to stop finding kids like that one. Good may come of

it yet, if not in the way they believed it would.

I have known grandmothers who delayed confronting the disease and seeking custody because while they knew their kid had a serious problem, they said "I never thought she/he would ever hurt/neglect the baby."

They cling to the love and care they witnessed before their child was in an advanced disease state.

Photos like this may help snap some people out of that delusion and at least do what they can to protect the minor children from their parents disease.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

21. This country needs more shame, a lot of it.

[anneboleyn]

70. "Shame" is absolutely not the way to treat a medical problem like addiction.

[anneboleyn]

73. Addiction is a MEDICAL PROBLEM not a MORAL FAILURE. I am so tired of the shaming of addicts

in our grotesque system, which punishes people who look for help and/or simply won't pay for good anti-addiction treatment. It perpetuates a very outdated meme that addicts have something wrong with them spiritually rather than medically. But the powers that be will certainly harass a grandmother who needs pain medication, and they waste gazillions on fighting the endless drug war and incarcerating non-violent drug "offenders." I find this frankly disgusting, and it is an idiotic way to respond to a medical crisis. These people have a medical problem -- they look ill because they ARE ILL.

[Throd]

79. It's a medical problem that can lead to moral failures.

As a former addict, I made some fucked up choices because getting high was much more important than doing the right thing.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

83. Americans basically see two or three images of drug users

Wild and rebellious people having a wonderful time and a sunken-faced vagrant shitting on the sidewalk. With the occasional public mourning for the young white celebrity overdose.

Images that fall outside those socially acceptable extremes, such as this one need to be seen far and wide.

The wild and rebellious drug user may indeed be reasonably confident they're not going to end up shitting on the sidewalk. But images of what their bottom might really look like, such as say this one need to be part of the public consciousness.

[TheSarcastinator]

127. yeah, fear-based propaganda is the answer to the Drug War!

You're going to win this thing with your brilliant insight. You must have an advanced degree in the pathology of addiction in order to provide such an insightful, detailed response based in science, medicine and history. Go brave drug warrior, go!!

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

128. As a matter of fact I do support the war on drugs

It has taken millions of assholes off the streets during their criminal prime and made cities somewhat habitable again.

But I do believe that those who are inclined to being "wild and rebellious" do need to see these types of images.

[kcr]

146. What a surprise n/t

[jberryhill]

29. Whatever their intentions, the photograph is something of an eye opener

Because I don't think that the natural response to this is "We gotta get cops bigger guns and tanks".

IMHO, the picture would be perceived as many as suggesting "Perhaps this is not, at bottom, a law enforcement problem".

We, as a society, are asking cops to "take care of problems" which are not best addressed by cops, and I think this picture is a pretty good illustration of that.

[citood]

30. I can see a purpose in publishing these photos

They may not stop an addict, but they may open the eyes of a family member or unwitting enabler.

I was once an unwitting enabler, and it took me way too long to fully comprehend how far gone and addicted my friend was - I was naïve.

Yes the morality of publishing the photos is certainly open to debate...its an ends vs means argument...but there is an 'ends' in doing this - it isn't pointless.

[Drahthaardogs]

32. I think the point might be to reach people before they

Start using. Show them it is not just fun and partying. Obviously those already addicted will not be reached by a campaign such as this.

[cwydro]

36. Maybe it will stop ONE person form TRYING this drug.

Ever thought of that?

There's always a first time.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

39. The most interesting thing about your post....

Not a whiff of concern for that child.

[Dreamer Tatum]

43. Yeah, there should be a Junkie Exception for child endangerment and abuse laws.

Right.

[FrodosPet]

87. When you do stupid things that put a child in danger, you really NEED to feel shame!!!

It's not shameful to be sick.

It IS shameful to STAY sick when treatment is available.

[Hekate]

139. Child in the back seat, school bus in front of the car. I think you missed the point by a mile.

[GWC58]

10. Police to dim witted

a-holes; you're still alive, that's good. Now you're under arrest & say goodbye to this child!

[Laffy Kat]

11. Taking the child away permanently is not the answer.

This is heart-breaking for the kid but I'm sure he still loves his parents. Take the child and allow supervised visits until parents get clean or at least on a methadone maintenance. Then they regain custody with frequent, random testing.

[Kaleva]

14. Some of these children end up staying in the system until they reach adulthood themselves.

The parents never quite get it together.

In Michigan, they recently changed the law so that the parents have just a year to regain custody. Too many kids were caught in the foster parent home trap before that.

[Laffy Kat]

17. I understand.

Perhaps giving the parent/s a time limit to get clean and/or sober is a good compromise.

[Kaleva]

122. I'm foster parent for a toddler

Got her when she was 5 weeks old. She's now 18 months old and is expected to be returned to one of her parents next month. The court granted more time because of the progress made by the parent.

Never expected that I, at the age of 57, would be changing diapers every day but it's well worth it!

[Laffy Kat]

126. What a wonderful thing to do, Kaleva.

It takes a special, special, person to foster.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

23. My adopted cousins might respectfully disagree with you

They as professional adults have panic attacks just thinking about what might have become of them had the State of California not snatched them. They grew up knowing they were adopted and knowing they were loved. Having their "mothers" in their lives, before they died would have added nothing.

[Laffy Kat]

40. I'm sure it should be considered on a case by case basis.

There's no cookie-cutter solution. What I'm saying is, addiction is a disease and if at all possible, families should be kept together, although, of course, that is not always possible. All children should be cared for and know they are loved.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

72. children shouldn't be a carrot to be dangled in an addicts face

It isn't fair to either of them.

[Laffy Kat]

134. As I said above, case by case. nt

[citood]

34. I've know 5 people in my life, addicted to narcotics

Three of them are mothers.

Sadly, none of them has successfully rehabbed for more than a few months. One in particular is now addicted to methadone - just switched heroin for methadone really. She still has to scrounge money to pay for the methadone treatments, just like she did with heroin, and she gets just as sick if she skips a dose, as she would on heroin. She gets tested all the time, but knows which prescription anti-anxiety pills don't show up on the tests...so its a daily methadone fix, coupled with pills.

Anyway, custody is an off and on affair for her.

One of the women is so estranged from her daughter, that her daughter doesn't recognize her...and she sits in her church on Sunday, just to get a look at her.

Anyway - yes, this kid will likely bounce back and forth from parents to foster care...and sadly I have little hope his parents will ever successfully rehab.

Heroin fucking sucks.

[Ilsa]

77. One would think that losing custody of one's children would

put the addict at rock bottom, but even in my hubby's family, it meant nothing towards trying to getting sober. Alcohol and opiates, preferably pills, are her drug of choice. She hasn't yet indicated that she understands that her drug abuse is why she lost custody, and can see them only under supervision twice a month. Most of the time she doesn't bother.

The little boy still misses her because he remembers. The younger daughter doesn't understand who she is, other than being an occasional playmate.

She's had multiple chances to get help, she's a rehab dropout, and generally certifiable as a thieving sociopath.

[citood]

95. Very sad

Especially not even making it to rare supervised visits. I have no idea how to help people like this...because the drugs turn them into monsters. Very sad.

[Ilsa]

100. It's affecting the kids the most.

The little girl is 4, and her mom has never been there for her. The little girl doesn't even comprehend what a mother is. Mom was doing oxy during that pregnancy. The baby nearly died shortly after birth.

The little boy remembers her and loves her, but she'll drop out for 6-7 months, never call, never set up visits, then she's back, trying to play the loving mom, but it's so forced, it's sickening. She does that for a few months and stops again. Right about the time the boy gives up on her and stops asking why she never calls, she pops back in. She knows nothing about her kids. At one visit, she had to fill out paperwork to use trampoline facilities. She couldn't remember their birthdays. She'll hear that they are sick, but never follow up on them.

She's never given a dime in court ordered child support, and the father won't deny visitation based on it. But Texas won't do anything about it. She owes about $4k, and whenever she's in front of a judge for a DUI, she just bats her eyes.

Those poor kids are well-loved by the daddy's family, but they'll probably have abandonment issues in the future.

So sad. So unnecessary. Many more stories about this, but this is almost the worst of it. I'm certain she took the little boy on a drug buy in Houston once.

[citood]

106. Much of this sounds very familiar

I've seen similar situations.

Growing up, our neighbors adopted 3 brothers...one at a time as the mother lost custody. And around twice a year she would call and talk to them...want them back etc. Awful.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

86. My ex's mother was unreachable

She only wanted her and her brother until they became impediments to her preferred lifestyle, but before that point she dragged them through all sorts of unstable and dangerous situations. When she became old enough to interpret her memories as a young child it just popped something in her brain that never went back together and it poisoned her with anger. She hid it well but anyone who came to know her intimately knew that her hatred of her mother poisoned every aspect of her life. Even after her mother died she just couldn't let go of the hate that ultimately just included other women in general.

[citood]

96. Drugs are just terrible

[lumberjack_jeff]

123. Only one parent is in these photos.

The child shouldn't be "taken away", he should be returned to his father (not pictured).

[Codeine]

131. Junkies never stop being junkies.

Just like tweakers never really stop tweaking. At most they take a break before starting back up again.

Having any faith in a junkie is wasted effort.

[Rex]

15. Where they trying to kill themselves?

How horrible, I wonder what the back story is on the parents?

[Hekate]

105. There was a town where addicts were dropping like flies due to a really bad heroin shipment ...

Recently. They weren't trying to kill themselves. Cops (ie the first people on the scene) said they had even found people OD'd in the driver's seat at intersections with the engine running. I mean, they all got their dose at pretty much the same time, and if it hadn't been for Narcan it would've been like Jonestown.

[boston bean]

16. I wonder why they are taking pictures of people OD'ing and not helping them immediately.

You know like before taking a pic.

[Laffy Kat]

18. Not too much they could do until the Narcan arrived.

Which it did, in time, according to the post.

[boston bean]

19. So they pull out a camera. What a bunch of fucking losers. I'm sorry.. but this is just grotesque.

[Laffy Kat]

20. It did was it was intended to do:

Educate and create outrage. We disagree with each other on this.
Peace.

[boston bean]

25. yeah it did that, at the further expense of the child. What a bunch of asshole for leaving him that

car so they could snap a pic for outrage.

[boston bean]

45. What??

[MicaelS]

65. Don't they speak English in What? n/t

[closeupready]

120. Yep. You got it.

+1000.

[anneboleyn]

75. Because "outrage" is a great way to deal with drug addiction? Yeah, right. "Moral outrage" is a huge

part of the problem. It allows people to judge addicts, throw them in jail, and refuse to deal with their problem medically.

[Skittles]

137. unless you're anti-cop

then there are all KINDS of ulterior motives - yes indeed

if anything, this picture shows the kind of stuff cops see day in and day out

you could not pay me enough to do what they do

[kcr]

143. So, they don't want addicts to get help?

because that's all this accomplishes.

[Laffy Kat]

148. I guess I didn't take that from the photo, but that's just me. nt

[kcr]

154. I have no idea what you took from the photo

all I know is there is no way you're going to convince me that such bullying and humiliating tactics by police are the way to go. ETA are you aware the police did not blur out the child's face? Other news outlets have had the decency to do so while reporting this story, because they did not. His little face is out there forever. They did that on purpose. That is the reason this story angers me so much.

[Laffy Kat]

155. OK, kcr. nt

[kcr]

156. Well, okey dokey! Nice talkin' to ya n/t

[cwydro]

41. I don't know about you, but it takes me less than a second to take a pic.

They were waiting for emergency services.

If this scares one person, it's worth it.

[boston bean]

42. They ahould concern themselves with the well being of the child and yes his parents.

Not reaching for their iPhones to post on social media.

[Dreamer Tatum]

49. They can and should do both.

Maybe it'll cause a junkie parent to seek help.

[boston bean]

56. That picture will do nothing to help them. Absolutely not one damn thing.

But the kid can look back on this picture his entire formative years.

Taking that pic did not help that little boy. He was used ti create outrage. Not to help him.

[Dreamer Tatum]

58. I'll go ahead and guess that pic is and will be the least of his issues.

Why you are so anxious to sweep this under the rug is beyond me, but whatever.

[boston bean]

63. I am not into to sweeping this under the rug.

As a matter of fact this thpe of shit and judgment and non undertanding of this issue is harmful. It not helpful. It makes thing worse for people who are addicted because people think they can just stop. Fuck no they cant. Its an addiction. This picture aint going to help that little boy. Nor will it help his parents.

[Dreamer Tatum]

68. I don't think anyone believes this one pic will cause anyone to stop

but neither should it be banned from public view simply because it is inconvenient for the
decriminalization advocates. And THAT is what I believe is going on in this thread, for the most part.

This sort of thing would happen even in a world of decriminalization. I know this because there are
something like a quadrillon alcohol-related traffic incidents and child endangerments every day.

I would take drug decriminalization more seriously if its advocates didn't insist that all would be gumdrops
and lollipops if it was just easier to get. There is a dark side to recreational drug use; this story is it.
Sorry if it is painful to observe. Maybe if that man and woman were a Republican mayor and his mistress
with the kid in the back seat, it'd seem funnier to DU (ps: it would).

[boston bean]

80. Why was the pic taken and posted??

[Dreamer Tatum]

81. I neither took it nor posted it. I don't know.

My nose isn't out of joint about it, however.

[boston bean]

84. Well good for you.

[FrodosPet]

92. Because people are DYING from heroin!!!!!!!

And if they drive on the shit, with a child in the car...

Nah, nevermind. You CANNOT understand because you REFUSE to understand. You are an enabler.

Enablers KILL, they do not save.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

101. what I have learned in recent years is the progressive narrative is king

and any dissenting individual, opinion or evidence must be discredited or hidden.

Quick, find a story about a thrift store in Amsterdam that employs heroin addicts and lets them shoot-up under medical supervision in the break room.

[kcr]

145. Then what are you doing here?

I don't go to conservative sites and expect my progressive opinions to be popular. Because that would be stupid.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

149. I'm a liberal, i'm just not interested in trendy nonsense

if I wanted that I would go to grad school.

[kcr]

151. Yeah, don't go for that trendy nonsense of being educated.

That's what conservatives do

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

161. cultural self-flagellation isn't education

[kcr]

162. I want no part of a culture that humiliates children.

And I happen to like being educated.

[Lithos]

74. They took the pictures for evidence

There was a later decision made to release them for educational purposes.

You can argue about the later decision, but the former seems like a standard operating procedure.

L-

[boston bean]

85. They left a boy in the car with his parents over dosing for evidence?

[Lithos]

88. I'm sure they only did it until they documented it

Training is to not touch things until you document.

In their case, I'm sure they viewed this picture as critical in proving the incapacity and current unfitness of his parents.

There were three officers on the scene. One officer was attending to the couple, one attended to the scene (took the picture) and one took the child away after the picture was taken. Given the picture only took a few seconds to take, the additional work was not seen.

TL;DR

The officers took the picture and immediately removed the kid from the scene.

[Hekate]

140. One photo shows a cop checking the woman's pulse in her neck.

So, one person clicking a fast photo for evidence, one person checking the pulse, call already in for medical backup. Where is the problem?

[Egnever]

91. does that include posing your subjects?

Cause it looks in one of them as if a cop has a hold of that womans hair.

Clearly these people are in need of a wake up but I don't think these pictures will help them in any way. Imagine them trying to do much of anything in their town after this. If they had a job they will likely lose it . If they didn't have a job they won't likely be getting one.

I certainly don't condone their actions they are reprehensible but the cops aren't helping them with this. I get being pissed coming on this situation as a cop but where do we draw the line at posting photos of people doing illegal stuff. Should they post pics of every violator they come across? Pretty sure the majority of Americans wouldn't sit for that.

[Hekate]

107. The cop is checking her neck-pulse to see if she is alive. smdh

[Agschmid]

109. Yup.

[FrodosPet]

90. Driving while high on fucking heroin WITH A CHILD IN THE CAR is far more grotesque!!!

These two MIGHT finally get help BEFORE THEY DIE, and BEFORE THEY KILL THAT CHILD, and BEFORE THEY KILL ANYONE ELSE!!!

This photo may help others wake up BEFORE THEY DIE, and BEFORE THEY KILL ANYONE ELSE!!!

Worrying about whether these two are embarrassed? THAT is grotesque!!!!

[loyalsister]

26. Not only that at least get the kids out of the car so they don't have to watch

I'm not sure that two adults shooting heroin is worse than people standing by and watching, taking pictures, and not doing anything to try to prevent the kids from being traumatized by watching.

[Skittles]

135. the paramedics are on the way

and they need evidence

[Bradical79]

22. Someone I know got sole custody due to this

Police found his ex shooting up heroin in her car with their kid in the backseat.

Also in Ohio.

[Go Vols]

24. I raised my 5&8 yr old boys years ago

due to their mother doing similar shit.
Got 100% custody,no visitation for her,plus I moved 500 miles away to put distance between us.

[Person 2713]

99. I know you did good. My buddy did the same thing- moved far away

[lumberjack_jeff]

124. Sadly, that is what it takes for dads to get custody. n/t

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

130. My ex's mother never officially lost custody

There was always a lawyer, judge or social worker for her to play for a fool. She kept the kids in tow until they became a liability to her lifestyle - not the other way around.

[appleannie1]

27. It is not going to stop an addict from shooting up. Pittsburgh just put out warnings over a new

batch of the crap that is so potent that just touching it with a bare hand can kill you. Even knowing that, people will shoot it into their veins.

[juxtaposed]

28. this is a good example of why we should decriminalize heroin and other drugs, so this doesn't happe

n as much.. Not legalize ,but decriminalize. On a side note while driving take a rest every 4 hours!

[Warren DeMontague]

31. we need to start treating addiction to hard drugs as a health issue and not a criminal one, for sure

pot should be legal, regulated, and taxed.

I'm of the opinion that law enforcement should be involved, however, when what someone does with their own body or nervous system crosses into the arena of harming/endangering others- like, say, endangering a child or getting behind the wheel of a car.

These folks were doing both, it looks like.

[juxtaposed]

37. agee, it is a health problem, disagree with law enforcement being involved. If it was decriminalized

it would not be a cop problem it would be a health problem and no one would be killed.

[Warren DeMontague]

51. I think we're probably on the same page.

I'm about as passionate on ending the drug war as we know it, as anyone here, I think. For heroin addiction harm reduction and things like supervised injection sites seem to have a better track record than our punitive approach.

My only point is, it is complicated in a situation when you have custody or children involved. Children need and deserve a present and competent caregiver.

[juxtaposed]

60. i've had a lot of friends die over my years of life b/c of drugs, great ppl. all of

them profound at what they did,,writers that could make kerouac blush. song ppl, that touched all of us, humour!!!
just great ppl I've known, that where addicts...

[Warren DeMontague]

66. Yeah, I think there's a lot going on there, a lot more than just "drugs=bad"

We as a society and a species are overdue to grow up a bit with our approach and relationship societally to things like consciousness alteration, which has a history going back as far as civilization itself.

[Go Vols]

102. Yet folks have smoked opium for centuries

I have little regard for idiots.I smoke opium when I can get it,been years tho.

Smoke weed daily and yet I own a nice home and can travel at will with no money worries.

Over 53 yrs., I have determined that stupid people doing drugs is a detriment to themselves and don't judge me on their actions,I got mine.

Not directed at you,just thought this was a good place to insert.

[Hekate]

110. Opium has been known to be addictive for just as long, so I'm not sure where you're going with this

One reason the British Empire was so hated in China was the forced import of opium.

However, Best of luck with your occasional recreation.

[Go Vols]

113. TY

[GWC58]

111. Wow'

Sounds like you've done very well for yourself. Bravo, sir! The only "oil" I've ever had was hash oil. That was some potent ass shit. Decriminalize heroin? Not this DEA. I know this is another subject, sorry.

[Go Vols]

117. I've done well

thru the years I have come to the conclusion that weak minded people go overboard on things that make them feel good.

I put myself in the 1% that don't let drugs do me,I do drugs.Nicotine and alcohol are the hardest to kick.

[Dreamer Tatum]

47. Yeah, that picture fairly screams "Make it easier to be a junkie."

I know that was MY first thought.

Make it easier to be a junkie, and there will be fewer incidents like this.

Golly, I wonder if anyone ever says anything similar about other controversial topics. Hmm. I'm thinking, but I'm drawing a blank. I'll get back to you. Not Right Away, but soon.

[juxtaposed]

52. maybe u should look at places that feel more a fit, like NRA sites, WND, or any other head chopping

???

[Dreamer Tatum]

53. Child welfare and safe roads...how positively RW of me. nt

[juxtaposed]

71. Maybe I'm wrong, It just came across as hardline.. Ones self control while

addicted is not reflected of how that person is or any person is while straight or high.
I'm sorry, I'm just not a good sport about this crap, lost to many friends b/c of it..

[closeupready]

121. Forget it - I know I did ages ago. DU is a shadow

of what it was once. Keep the faith, though, if you can.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

129. I learned a new word from my girlfriend a few weeks ago "virtue signalling"

Which is basically loudly announcing to a group that you are in total adherence to the latest trendy bullshit. Whoever is the loudest and proudest in their expression of this wins.

I think that describes SJW era Democratic Underground pretty well.

[closeupready]

142. Oh yeah. Big time. Sad - if I miss the days of GWB,

the only reason would be for the fact that DU was then truly a liberal, progressive board in a sea of RW internet diarrhea.

Oh well.

[Warpy]

33. This wouldn't happen without the drug war forcing them to buy

their drugs on the black market, where there is no quality or purity control.

Likely they got some drugs laced with Fentanyl or sufentanil by some idiot who didn't know how much more potent than heroin those are.

These people and that four year old are casualties of the war on drugs. It's not working. It's time to end it and try something else.

[Major Nikon]

48. Either that or they were mixing other drugs or booze

Although not impossible, it's pretty hard to OD on just heroin. Most that do are mixing it with other drugs or alcohol or it's getting mixed for them like you say.

[Warpy]

62. Possibly

People in the business who knew her well said Joplin's problem and the reason she OD'd was booze, not heroin.

Since these people were with their kid, I'd doubt drug mixing was the problem. They'd save that for party time at home.

[Dreamer Tatum]

50. Yeah, if only their mind-altering substance was sold in stores, traffic accidents

due to that substance would vanish.

I mean, look at alcohol. Now that you can get it anywhere, traffic accidents due to intoxicated people have pretty much vanished.

[Warpy]

59. Maybe sales of alcohol would go down

After all, there are damned few DUI accidents that don't involve it.

[Dreamer Tatum]

61. That booming sound was the point above your head, breaking the sound barrier. nt

[Warpy]

64. No, dear, I got it

It was just a ridiculous one.

[Dreamer Tatum]

69. Did you sell them the heroin?

You sure seem to know a lot about this case that others don't.

[FrodosPet]

97. Do people die from prescribed opioids like Oxycontin, etc?

Yes, of course they do.

But legal, over the counter, or prescribed heroin would never cause anyone to O.D.! Everyone would "know their dose" and never bump up the dose to a dangerous, deadly level for a "higher high"?

Wow!!!

[Warpy]

116. People who do that are generally supplementing with unprescribed opiates

or potentiating them with benzodiazepines or (ahem) alcohol.

Again, it's a limited supply plus the black market.

Of course, nothing is perfect, and that is always a problem with black/white thinkers. What we are doing is not working.

Please refer to Einstein's definition of insanity to find out why I suggest trying something different to reduce deaths.

[Mariana]

119. There will always be some who go overboard and die.

Lots of people die of acute alcohol poisoning, too. It doesn't follow that we should remove all the regulations and labeling requirements for alcoholic beverages, or try to ban them altogether.

[Mariana]

118. Exactly. If they could buy clean drugs in standard dosages

with ingredient labels and warnings and such, there wouldn't be near as many overdoses. Addicts would know exactly how much of which drugs they were getting each time they use it.

[Codeine]

132. Or maybe they could stop shooting shit

into their veins and be fucking parents for a change?

[cwydro]

35. Amazing to me that any person thinks doing heroin is a fun time.

After the addiction sets in, they might catch on that it isn't.

But there is always that first time, when they thought it was a great idea for some fun. Smh.

[juxtaposed]

46. what amazes me is that my brothers and sisters ever live up to your standards.

also most ppl walk away from addictive drugs after trying them but, some can't. Drug addicts can be anyone you or I, great ppl. or the bottom of the barrel..

[cwydro]

67. I'm talking about that FIRST time, when your brain still works.

I've taken a lot of risks in my life, but no way would I ever take that chance just to get a high.

[Major Nikon]

55. Many do because they figure out much that's reported about drugs is bullshit

The idea that everyone who does drugs becomes an addict doesn't mesh very well with the reality that very few people become addicts compared to the overall number of users. Once people figure out that other people they know manage to do drugs without any serious consequences, all the myths about them are shattered and people will only then believe other drug users. That's why campaigns like "this is your brain on drugs" just doesn't work.

[Egnever]

93. Agree with you wholeheartedly.

I did a lot of drugs as a kid. It all started with a Joint that I was told would make me a crazy person or turn me into a raving lunatic. It was pretty clear from that first toke that they were lying to me. Never bought the BS after that. Even tried Heroin myself at one point. I didn't really like it I was more of a stimulant guy in my drug days.

At some point I got tired of it pretty much all of it. Though I still like bud. At one point I was drinking and snorting everything I could get my hands on. Now if I drink more than once a month it's unusual.

Meanwhile I abused the hell out of pretty much all of it and I guess I am lucky cause I was able to put all of it down pretty easily when it got old. All of the nonsense about the dangers of drugs and none of it panned out for me.

It was that first lie that sent me on my journey. First some weed then some speed then some coke then some acid and shrooms then meth and crack and the last one I tried was heroin.

My life might have been different if I didn't go down that path but I am a pretty happy guy at this point in my life with a wife and great kids and my own business. Not sure what could be better but the grass is always greener somewhere.

[Major Nikon]

94. Almost everything about America's drug policy is dead wrong

Criminalizing drug use doesn't work. Warehousing drug users and distributors in prison doesn't work. Spreading lies about drugs doesn't work.

[Bucky]

38. I wonder if all that heroin use is responsible for Trump being ahead in Ohio

[Stinky The Clown]

54. When will people finally get a clue. They can NOT talk addicts into quitting with "Just Say No"

Addiction is an incredibly complicated matter. The road to remission is more complicated. This is a MASSIVE mental health issue that will take BILLIONS to even begin to address.

That picture won't do shit to stop an addict from acting like an addict.

[boston bean]

57. i hear you and agree Stinky.

[GWC58]

78. Maybe

some people shouldn't have children. I'm not saying these two don't love their child, I'm sure they do. Clearly their addiction to heroin is stronger than their love. Since the birth of my son ten, going on eleven, years ago I've been on one of the stronger narcotic pain relievers and not once was my son in any danger, so I do know what it's like to be physically dependent, if not being addicted. Okay, now I'll jump off my high horse.

[radical noodle]

82. As a parent of someone who was addicted to meth at one time

and the grandmother of her child, I can tell you that families are normally desperate to get these children away from their parents but without a ton of proof, little will be done in most states. This will be usable to get that child out of that home. The picture won't do anything for the parents. They need help, but first they really need to want help. When my daughter finally lost custody of her child (her only form of income was the child support) she finally realized what a mess she was and got help. She is now recovered and doing well, and that granddaughter that we finally managed to rescue is now a mother herself.

We saw a photo in the paper of our daughter being hauled away from a meth lab in handcuffs, so I can tell you the photo is the least of their family's worries at the moment.

[likesmountains 52]

108. I agree, this photo is to help the 4 year old.

I work on an OB unit and see addicts having babies...it is for sure a health issue without easy answers, but I see plenty of moms who want to take their babies home and be good moms..but just can't get it done. This photographic evidence will help that child get to a better environment.

[radical noodle]

114. Exactly

My daughter wanted to be a good mother, and really thought she was. She couldn't see the life the child was living. Our story turned out okay but it took years of pain. Sadly, some never make it. Children die from the neglect they suffer due to addicted parents.

[kcr]

144. Shaming him and stigmatizing him for life will help him?

Bullshit.

[Go Vols]

112. Been talking to folks today about this

and they don't seem to understand "overdose". Drink a few to many beers and pass out is "overdose".

The pic shows them to be nodding out which isn't good on the road with a kid.

I cant say its good any time,but just subject yourself and willing adults to it,not fucking kids.

[Hekate]

98. Jesus wept

Every first responder who has to deal with this on a daily basis, whether EMTs or cops, must just be heartbroken by what's going on.

It breaks my own heart to see two people in the prime of life in that condition. Having their small child in the back seat doubles the heartbreak.

[still_one]

103. sorry but their children should be taken away and put into protective service if and until

the parents are able to demonstrate they are responsible

[radical noodle]

115. No doubt about it

Maybe there are good relatives who would take the child.

[lumberjack_jeff]

125. Only one parent in the photo.

No need to take the child away - call dad.

[Codeine]

133. Anyone who shoots up in a car with their kids

should be permanently and irrevocably removed from that child's life. They will never be anything more than poison to a child.

[Texasgal]

104. My reaction to this photo

is compassion.

These two are sick.. and the poor child. I hope they both get help and I hope the child goes to a safe place. This makes me want to cry.

[Skittles]

136. I do feel sorry for addicts

but when they care about their drugs more than they care about their children, they seriously SUCK

[Hekate]

141. ...and the schoolbus in front of them letting off other people's kids....

see link

[Hekate]

138. Holy shit, they were by a schoolbus

http://www.wcpo.com/news/state/state-ohio/east-livepool-police-heroin-overdose-police-take-shocking-photos-of-adults-oding-in-car-with-child

According to a police report, an East Liverpool officer spotted an SUV with West Virginia license plates driving erratically Wednesday. The officer saw the driver slam on the brakes when the SUV approached a stopped school bus that was dropping kids off, the police report states. The SUV came to a stop in the middle of the road and the officer approached.

The officer said the driver's head was bobbing and his speech was mostly unintelligible. Police identified the driver as James Acord and the passenger as Rhonda Pasek. Acord told the officer he was taking his front seat passenger, who was passed out, to the hospital, the report states.

The officer said he reached into the vehicle, turned it off and removed the keys just as Acord tried to drive away. The officer then noticed a 4-year-old boy in the backseat. The boy was later identified as Pasek's son.

The officer said Acord soon passed out as well. Emergency crews responded and administered Narcan, a drug used to reverse the effects of a heroin overdose. Acord and Pasek regained consciousness and were taken to the hospital.

The little boy is in the custody of Columbiana County Children's Services, according to the report.

[kcr]

147. They're human beings. Not educational tools. For fuck's sake.

Whether a person didn't wear their helmet, or seatbelt, or texted while driving, or OD'd on a drug, or fell down the stairs because they had a little too much to drink, or however or whatever choice led to their needing police/EMT help, they should not be paraded on the news and social media for humiliation as a "lesson" for everyone else. That's what animated shooting star rainbows are for.

[FrodosPet]

150. I am starting to root for Darwin

We gotta stop embarrassing the poor darlings by giving them Narcan. If someone is stupid enough to KEEP using heroin after DECADES of evidence that IT CAN EASILY KILL YOU, perhaps we need to have more respect for the theory of evolution.

(BTW, no I am not really advocating the withholding of medically necessary treatment - even for idiots who use heroin despite the warnings and the destruction they cause to anyone and everyone near them).

[kcr]

153. What are you advocating for, then?

Cops posting pictures of the people to humiliate them? This kid would be one of them. Do you think he's going to like growing up and going to school and being that kid who was on the news for this? It's not like addicts are the only ones who endanger their kids by the choices they make. Kids can certainly be put in danger by most of the other choices I mentioned, too, but people would be a lot less forgiving about public humiliation by police in those circumstances.

[FrodosPet]

157. The needs of the many outweigh the fee fees of the few

This photo may save lives. It may save these two people's lives. If the only cost is a bit of humiliation, considering how many other people suffer much more humiliation for no good cause whatsoever, then it is a TINY price to pay.

[kcr]

158. This photo will do no such thing

People watch their friends die, lose their jobs and families and kids and STILL do drugs. What makes you think a picture on the news will stop people? Humiliation as policing is not good public policy. Humiliating this child was cruel and unnecessary.

[LeftyMom]

152. That kid's sure going to appreciate that picture for the rest of his life. Cops are great.

[FrodosPet]

159. He HAS a rest of his life. The children in the school bus have the rest of THEIR lives.

These two have a rest of their lives. The only losers here are the enablers who want to keep sick people sick and free of consequences for violently dangerous behavior..

[LeftyMom]

160. Get fucking real.

Look, but for the variability of brain chemistry I could have been that kid. One of my parents bounced for most of my childhood because of her addictions (thankfully opiates weren't her thing) and I dealt with the shame and embarrassment that comes from that. It was hard efuckingnough without having photographic evidence of what a fuckup my mother could be widely disseminated.

That child is a person. A person who is going to have friends and occasionally cruel classmates and a desire for privacy. A person who is going to be googled by aquantainces and employers and peers and romantic partners. Who did not ask to be a prop in a drug war object lesson. Who has a genetic propensity to addiction that is not going to need to be helped along by a sense of alienation or shame, but combated with love and emotional support and unusually strong coping skills.

The cops suck, whoever republished that picture sucks, and you suck for defending the violation of that child's privacy.