A *real* campaign response: *SURROGATES* need to step up. Our candidate needs recovery time.

[UTUSN]

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1) *NO* denying: "O.K., she's got pneumonia plus 30 years of non-stop stress."

2) She needs some TIME f-ing OFF, & leave her ALONE!1

3) "Surrogates" are what f-ing SURROGATES are *for*: Like, taking up the slack.

And I'm looking at YOU: Tim KAINE, Joe BIDEN, whomever and whomever (ON EDIT: & epecially YOU/Chelsea, NOW is your MOMENT!1). Get your asses out there. Period. And SAY IT, "She's recuperating and I'm here to PICK UP THE F-ING SLACK, got a problem with that?!1"

[Lithos]

1. YEP

And that include us...

We *ALL* need to step up now...

L-

[UTUSN]

2. Ty

[bmstee01]

5. Social Media

Take Jennifer Granholms statement and stick to it. Women and especially Mothers, get sick every day and push through. Women soldier on when they are at their breaking point.

[Lithos]

7. Technically, it's all of us soldier on

I'm a father with a wife who has a chronic illness. I soldier thru many things for the kids.

It's a function of being middle (albeit upper) class. I do not live with the silver spoon Drumpf has and i do not fantasize about some impossible future (like many of Drumpf's people do) where magic will happen where they win the golden lottery.

So, I do work 20+ hour days between work and the kids. And yes, I do recognize many women do the same and do so unsung. Just that they are not necessarily alone.

Minor complaint - though the thesis you are showing is correct if you say that the little person often has to push thru in these types of things. I can see many parents who work two jobs coming in sick to just keep their minimum wage pay together.

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[bmstee01]

3. Surrogates on every show tomorrow

mainly Jennifer Granholm. Get her on every show you can think of.

[UTUSN]

4. Plus Elizabeth, plus Tim, plus *above all* Chelsea (NOW is your moment!1), plus every f-ing name

[pnwmom]

23. Chelsea is a mom, with a toddler and a new baby less than 3 months old.

So she's probably not the best one to step in now.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

6. Got anything less likely to be given a negative spin?

That just screams, "She's too worn out. She can't handle anymore stress."

[UTUSN]

10. Let's take your issues up:

1) Your "negative spin" - uh, what is negative about a SOLUTION? The "she's worn out" thing is YOUR projection.

2) She's got a physical, medical, biological diagnosis. What is YOUR diagnosis?

3) Again, your "can't handle anymore (sic) stress" is your projection. Medical/biological things are what they are, not your projection.

4) Let's see, what can I *imagine* what your assessment and "solution" is - Would it be, TROT her out there despite any infirmity and WORK HER TO THE BONE until she drops dead on a podium?

Really, what do YOU suggest? (Notice I'm not adding sarcastic exclamation and #1 symbols, I really really want to know what your constructive input is.)

[Nuclear Unicorn]

12. It's not my projection, it's my prediction.

I won't argue for it because I have no desire to do so. I'm just saying if the other side is looking for talking points your post gives it to them.

Don't present any problem as a problem built upon long term conditions, particularly if the conditions will only be exacerbated by the job being sought.

Temporary problem from temporary conditions. The less said, the better.

[UTUSN]

14. "prediction" is based on quantifiable data. No, you project.

It aint' my post that helps the other (from my) side, it's yours.

"job being sought" sounds like YOU are saying she's not up to it. Pneumonia ain't a permanent.

"The less said, " - who do you think is going to be saying LESS, certainly not the wingnuts.

If you find arguing with me to be a Democratic thing to do, you're wrong.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

19. meh. You just want to argue. Good luck.

[UTUSN]

20. You just want the last word ("winning"). I answered all of your points substantively.

You never made a point. What was your game, what were you scoring? Don't answer with non-answers, so good night.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

24. Again, all I'm saying is your offered line of reasoning is not a good for damage control.

The GOP is looking for an excuse to claim HRC is not fit for the job. Your OP says this episode is the result of 30 years stress. If YOU are claiming 30 years of stress can debilitate her then it becomes hard to believe that another 4 to 8 years at a far more stressful job will improve matters.

Again, it is you, not me, in your first talking point claiming this is from 30 years of stress.

But, hey, you're convinced in the superiority of your argument to the point of not being able to accept advice. If you want to scream from the rooftop that this is 30 years of stress please proceed. I'd be interested in your audience's reaction.

[UTUSN]

26. Repeating an answered point-non-point won't work. To infinity.

I've already bade nighty nite. Your doing it gives you the last word.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

28. Where did you provide a rationale for your "30 years of stress" to make it palatable?

Your point 4 in post 10 just doubles down on making her look infirm. You should quit while you're behind.

[UTUSN]

32. You'll never stop

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Your only thrust was to make a personal attack/accusation that I was all "negative spin" and helping the wingnuts. Looking back, I see that you're hung-up on the "30 years of stress" part. Uh, the current, temporary, recoverable physical/medical/biological condition preyed on the wear and tear. NOT taking a remedial break of a week is not a solution (you never put forth how to fix anything). My point of carrying out a medical care plan, supported by people taking up the slack, IS a positive solution. Your focus is on "damage control," which amounts to covering-up/denying and making the temporary condition into a permanently deterioration. But proceed with pretending to yourself that we are actually "discussing" stuff while all you're doing is personally attacking/accusing.

[TipTok]

13. That's kind of in the POTUS job description...

Line 4, paragraph 8...

Work to the bone... Yup...

[pinboy3niner]

8. When a surrogate isn't available they should just play the record...

I got the rockin' pneumonia and the boogie woogie flu
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028158647

[UTUSN]

11. Yea, always dropping by when I'm at my most vulnerable under attack. Thank gudness it wasn't

when we were in 'nam.

[pinboy3niner]

15. I always have your back, brother

Of course, that's only because of the cool picture of your shirt you once posted in the Vet Group.

How long ago was that? Man, we are getting OLD.

[UTUSN]

16. Yeah, well, it depends on what the definition of "having your back" is.

My definition would be if you would fire off one of your puns at one of my flamers (above), instead of giving them aid and comfort. I never go to the Vets group. It was in Lounge.

Notice the difference: I busted a gut at your Lounge thread about the neighbor/downstairs. That's what support is.


ON EDIT: here, for the benefit of others knowing what the * we're talking about:

[lonestarnot]

22. Beautius!

[pinboy3niner]

34. Crocodile Pinboy: THAT'S not a shirt. THIS is a shirt....

Just kidding. When we displayed our half-scale replica of the Wall at a local high school for a week, somebody took this crummy pic of me with the medal the students gave us vets.

[Thinkingabout]

9. Yes, this comes down to the voters, Hillary can handle the office of president,

We have to do our part and VOTE!!!!

[kacekwl]

17. This moment will separate the real leaders

in the Democratic party from the part-timers.

[loyalsister]

18. Yes- no shame in vulnerability

ESPECIALLY when it is one that every single human being has.
My dismissive comment is "she probably needs to wear reading glasses, too."

[lonestarnot]

21. 911 series!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AgadorSparticus]

25. I agree! We should be seeing more of the surrogates.

And quite honestly, I hope to see more fire power from the Clinton campaign as well--other than just ads. I don't know. Just something......

[UTUSN]

27. Ty

[still_one]

29. I am sure they will

[world wide wally]

30. To borrow from WC Fields,

"Yeah, but she will be better tomorrow, and Trump will be crazy for the rest of his life"

[ronnie624]

31. I don't understand

why a lot of times they don't take the most obvious course of action.

[King_Klonopin]

33. I agree completely. "Release the hounds, Smithers"

Whether she is physically depleted or not, it's time to order the troops to charge ahead.

She has tons of ammunition -- let's use it already!
She has tons of money -- let's spend it already!
She has tons of allies -- let them loose already!

Direct-to-the-voter attack ads and "events" are required in every state that is contested.

The media is already pushing the narrative that all Trump needs to do to succeed
in the debates and to appear qualified is... to not drool on himself. (Deja vu to Bush vs
Gore prior to their debates) Her advantage is already being undermined by a gutless and
biased news media.