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Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:06 PM

Clinton aide says, ‘We could have done better,’ amid criticism over health disclosures

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Source: Washington Post, by Abby Phillip

A top aide to Hillary Clinton acknowledged that the campaign could have handled news of her pneumonia diagnosis better after being criticized for keeping the public and the media in the dark.

“We could have done better yesterday, but it is a fact that the public knows more about HRC than any nominee in history,” wrote Clinton communications director Jennifer Palmieri on Twitter in response to the criticism, using the initials of the Democratic presidential nominee.

President Obama’s former campaign strategist David Axelrod took a swipe at the campaign earlier in the morning by suggesting that although Clinton’s pneumonia could be treated with antibiotics, an “unhealthy penchant for privacy that repeatedly creates unnecessary problems” could not.

But Palmieri noted, in response to Axelrod’s criticism, that Clinton has released more medical and financial information than Trump, who has refused to release his tax returns and released a letter from a doctor that was widely criticized for lacking any concrete medical information about his health.

More at: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-aide-says-we-could-have-done-better-amid-criticism-over-health-disclosures/2016/09/12/58883a50-78f2-11e6-bd86-b7bbd53d2b5d_story.html

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Reply Clinton aide says, ‘We could have done better,’ amid criticism over health disclosures (Original post)
yallerdawg Sep 2016 OP
Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #1
yallerdawg Sep 2016 #3
BumRushDaShow Sep 2016 #5
yallerdawg Sep 2016 #8
BumRushDaShow Sep 2016 #14
Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #6
yallerdawg Sep 2016 #22
Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #23
FBaggins Sep 2016 #24
Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #29
FBaggins Sep 2016 #30
Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #32
R B Garr Sep 2016 #35
ChairmanAgnostic Sep 2016 #17
Loki Liesmith Sep 2016 #21
MattP Sep 2016 #2
yallerdawg Sep 2016 #4
FBaggins Sep 2016 #7
yallerdawg Sep 2016 #12
Nay Sep 2016 #15
FBaggins Sep 2016 #16
LanternWaste Sep 2016 #27
yallerdawg Sep 2016 #31
Jeffersons Ghost Sep 2016 #9
B2G Sep 2016 #10
melman Sep 2016 #13
DesertRat Sep 2016 #39
uppityperson Sep 2016 #41
BiminiTwisted Sep 2016 #11
crazylikafox Sep 2016 #19
senseandsensibility Sep 2016 #33
DesertRat Sep 2016 #40
DawgHouse Sep 2016 #42
CanadaexPat Sep 2016 #18
yallerdawg Sep 2016 #20
gratuitous Sep 2016 #25
yallerdawg Sep 2016 #28
gratuitous Sep 2016 #36
lovuian Sep 2016 #37
yellowcanine Sep 2016 #26
lovuian Sep 2016 #34
Arazi Sep 2016 #38

Response to yallerdawg (Original post)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:11 PM

1. It's done. Don't worry about it.

Very little impact.

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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #1)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:14 PM

3. So when the "opposition" says...

"she is secretive, and hiding health issues from us," no worries.

OK.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:17 PM

5. But this from an "opposition" whose illegal dealings are hiding in plain sight

with many other issues made "secretive" with the help of the media. It's amazing the double-standard.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #5)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:23 PM

8. You know this is exactly what the opposition says about Hillary.

I want the Hillary campaign to stop 'feeding the beast' - unnecessarily!

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:32 PM

14. "I want the Hillary campaign to stop 'feeding the beast'"

She can't. The "beast" will say and do whatever it chooses, when it chooses, and however it chooses. Look at the 8 years of Obama. It was 8 years of made-up nonsense that was good for "ratings" but forced the Obama family to be "perfect". And even when "perfect", fictional (artificial) controversies were created to keep the beast fed and none of it came from him or his family. Yet the media lapped up the lies and kept them going to satiate that ravenous appetite called "ratings".

The cycle needs to be broken. The bar is so high now that no candidate (at least one of good conscience) will want to run for office and this is the slippery slope that leads to dictatorships. Right now, there are seats in swing districts with Republicans where no Democrat wants to even run. Who wants the hassle when "your side" doesn't get the same "grading on a curve" that the other candidate enjoys?

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:19 PM

6. Election is almost baked in at this point

Not seeing how this changes anything.

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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #6)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:54 PM

22. Watch the polls.

Watch the pundits.

Watch the debates.

It's not even October yet, which often has surprises.

For many people, November election results can be very surprising!

This cake is still in the mixer!

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #22)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:55 PM

23. watching the polls is part of my job

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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #6)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 01:02 PM

24. She averaged an eight point lead a month ago

That's reportedly down to about 2-3 points now. It's unlikely that news over the last couple days has improved that.

We can absolutely not treat this as though it's in the bag.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #24)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 01:12 PM

29. I am assigning probabilities

I am not getting emotional, which wastes my time.

The slippage in HRCs numbers is real, but overstated:



What's happened is the standard deviation in the polling has increased, and the polling sample rate has decreased.

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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #29)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 01:16 PM

30. The thing that we have not accounted for, however...

... is that we've seen a number of votes internationally in the last year or two that have defied the polling (and by a larger amount than the current polling implies for our election). In every case, it was the nationalistic, anti-muslim, anti-immigrant (you get the idea) position that shockingly outperformed. People showed up to vote that were not in the polling models.

I'm not at all confident that our lead exceeds whatever that factor is.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #30)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 01:20 PM

32. one cannot account for the unknowable

Nor can one plan for it.

Best we can do is have multiple contingencies and multiple paths to win. We do. If we can open up more paths, even better.

But reacting to the daily news feed is going to give everyone a stomach ache.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 03:38 PM

35. A lot of what the opposition discusses are conspiracy theories about her health

that are fabricated completely as a distracting talking point. So if she doesn't respond to their conspiracies, she is not secretive.

It just happens by coincidence that she now has pneumonia. So if she is forthcoming now, that is absolutely the right thing to do. Responding to their conspiracies, not so much.

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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #1)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:40 PM

17. Riiiiiiight.

While driving this morning, not only did NPR and the am news station (WBBM- 780) discuss it at length, even a sports radio station mentioned it (while discussing the Bears emBearassment) as did all talk radio stations.

This is NOT an issue that is going away, unless you bury your head in the sand.

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Response to ChairmanAgnostic (Reply #17)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:53 PM

21. Doubt it moves numbers much

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Response to yallerdawg (Original post)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:13 PM

2. Trump doesn't even have a Press pool following him

Yes they should have stopped the van and notified the press first

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Response to MattP (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:17 PM

4. She was diagnosed with pneumonia Friday.

Not a word until they have some major explaining to do Sunday?

Ouch goes the foot.

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Response to yallerdawg (Original post)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:19 PM

7. Sun rises in the east... water still wet...

You "could have done better" on far more than just disclosures.

"The candidate has a mild case of pneumonia and will not be attending the ceremony today - but has recorded the following statement in remembrance of what we lost 15 years ago" would have been so hard? You just had to put her out in public after a doctor tells her to get some rest and cut her schedule?

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:30 PM

12. That would explain the "coughing fits."

That would explain her hoarseness and tiredness and perhaps 'irritability' the last few days.

That would show her as forthcoming and open.

Instead, her supporters - we - are making pretzels again.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #12)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:37 PM

15. Sigh. There are days when I think I need to be her campaign advisor. "Ma'am,

you've got pneumonia -- standing in the sun and heat for hours on Sunday is a no-go. It's Friday, let's put out an honest statement that you've got a mild case of pneumonia and must rest for a few days. That way we don't get accused of hiding things."

How hard is that? Why is the impulse ALWAYS to not be open about such normal things? Especially in this media-saturated world, where anything and everything is caught on video 24/7?

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #12)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:39 PM

16. The doctor's statement implies that it's the other way around

She's had the coughing issue for months and the campaign says that it's an allergy issue.

I'm not sure of the connection, but something involved in the coughing presumably caused (or left her more vulnerable to) the pneumonia.

But yes... it certainly explains how she looked on Friday. This, of course, adds to the aides' culpability in our pretzel twisting - since they reportedly lashed out at a reporter who said that she looked tired and listless. DNC field director Parkhomenko even suggested that he should be fired for even implying it.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #12)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 01:06 PM

27. While yet others are pretending this is something of actual substance and concern.

"Instead, her supporters - we - are making pretzels again..."

While yet others are pretending this is something of actual substance and concern. It's not. Red herrings, while tasty, have far too much salt to be nutritious as one's only meal. Over-the-air diagnoses are no more valid than when Bill Frist did as much, but are tasty I suppose...

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #27)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 01:18 PM

31. When your opposition says you hide medical conditions...

and then you get caught hiding medical conditions, no problem?

I don't think you'll find this case as an example of a 'red herring' sometime in the future.

More like an example of 'adding fuel to the fire'?

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Response to yallerdawg (Original post)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:26 PM

9. K&R When do we get to read about mandatory "financial disclosures" from Trump?

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Response to yallerdawg (Original post)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:27 PM

10. I still don't understand why they took her to Chelsea's apt

 

instead of a hospital.

Especially now in light of the fact she had been diagnosed with pneumonia just 2 days prior. It could have been a far more serious complication other than heat. Seems to be that was taking a big chance with her health.

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Response to B2G (Reply #10)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:31 PM

13. Simple

Because they didn't want the image of her being taken to the hospital to be all over the news.

I agree it's pretty crazy.

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Response to B2G (Reply #10)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 07:36 PM

39. My guess is they contacted her personal physician who originally diagnosed the pneumonia

They agreed to meet at Chelsea's apt. to be checked out. I'm sure that the dr. would have sent her on to the hospital if s/he thought it was necessary for her to be admitted.

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Response to B2G (Reply #10)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 07:44 PM

41. Because she knew she needed to just sit in a cool quiet place for a bit and then would be ok.

Because she knew what was going on and how to treat herself.

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Response to yallerdawg (Original post)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:28 PM

11. Hillary

fights through pneumonia and continues to campaign, Trump had a boo boo on his foot and missed the entire Vietnam War.

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Response to BiminiTwisted (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:46 PM

19. YES!!!!! ^^^THIS^^^

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Response to BiminiTwisted (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 03:06 PM

33. DUZY! And this should be its own thread...

Great response.

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Response to BiminiTwisted (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 07:37 PM

40. Good one!

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Response to BiminiTwisted (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 07:50 PM

42. Brilliant!

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Response to yallerdawg (Original post)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:42 PM

18. They took a calculated risk and they lost.

Feed the health bs with announcement of pneumonia, or risk worse issues if it gets worse or has a public impact? The subtle way to do it would have been to circulate info about staffers coming down sick, because then any issues about Clinton would have been seen in that context.

In the end, I don't see what harm this could except maybe decrease turnout for Clinton very slightly. In that sense, the risk was worth taking.

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Response to CanadaexPat (Reply #18)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 12:48 PM

20. My problem is she has been painted as...

"secretive" and "untrustworthy" for 25 years now.

We have been fighting this for 25 gawdam years!

And now - this.

For me, it feels like a betrayal. It really does.

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Response to yallerdawg (Original post)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 01:02 PM

25. Yes, could have done better

But it's pretty impossible to tell ahead of time what the popular media are going to alight on to obsess over. Pneumonia diagnosis on Friday: Reveal it and you're accused of a Friday dump of vital information; don't announce it because it's not that big a deal (Clinton is under medical care and observation, counseled to take it easy), and have it blow up into something when Clinton is overcome by heat two days later. Go to the 9-11 observances and take a chance on the heat, or decline to go because of doctor's orders, and be subject to endless groundless speculation about the "real" reason for missing the necrogasm.

Heads I win, tails you lose. Every time. No matter what the instance.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #25)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 01:11 PM

28. "It's never wrong to do what's right."

Pneumonia kills people. Normal, everyday people.

If your doctor says you have pneumonia - and you're running for President of the United States - I think that is something to be disclosed, especially when the other campaign repeatedly suggests you are "hiding" medical conditions.

Where do you go now? Now that you actually do hide medical conditions?

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #28)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 03:40 PM

36. Can you guarantee that disclosure wouldn't have cause the same shitstorm?

Would an announcement on Friday that Clinton had been diagnosed with pneumonia been received by the popular media as a transparent disclosure of information? Or would it have been jeered down as a Friday news dump, conveniently timed to be lost in the forthcoming 9/11 necrogasm? If Clinton had followed her doctor's advice and rested over the weekend instead of attending yet another observance, can you guarantee that the media would have said, "Oh, she's taking care of herself and trying to get past this minor health event"? Or, would they have savaged her absence as being disrespectful of first responders, and the dead from 9/11, and the media, which all need to see her on every occasion?

What should Clinton do to head off the next nontroversy, whatever it might be? Because from my observation, they're going to complain about whatever she does and blow it up into the Greatest Crisis Ever, and gull weak-minded individuals into thinking the same thing.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #36)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 03:48 PM

37. She needs to take care of herself

and take this seriously ....you don't play around with pneumonia
and she needs to be aggressively treated

if she needs IV fluids give it to her and IV antibiotics give it to her and I'm pretty sure she's getting it
the worst nightmare is seeing the Democratic Party President nominee at a October Debate short of breath wheezing at the microphone and the Democratic National Committee know that as well as others

Hillary's health is number one priority here and everyone has had a wake up call

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Response to yallerdawg (Original post)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 01:02 PM

26. Yes they could have but meanwhile, Trump slides by on his hippie doctor's 1 page book report.

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Response to yallerdawg (Original post)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 03:38 PM

34. Anybody in the medical field knows

you don't send anybody out there with pneumonia out in the public campaigning

You rest and drink and take your antibiotics



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Response to yallerdawg (Original post)

Mon Sep 12, 2016, 04:05 PM

38. KIck and rec. Hiding this was a mistake

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