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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 05:47 AM Sep 2016

Fla. man shot dead by cousin after asking if bulletproof vest works

TAMPA, Fla. -- Police say a Florida man asking if a bulletproof vest “still worked” was fatally shot by his cousin.

A Tampa Police report says 23-year-old Joaquin Mendez put on the vest late Saturday and “wondered aloud whether it still worked.”

According to a witness, Mendez sat in a chair and put on the vest. His cousin, 24-year-old Alexandro Garibaldi, took out a handgun and said “Let’s see,” CBS affiliate WTSP reported.

Officers found Mendez outside the house with a gunshot wound in his chest. Mendez died at a hospital.

According to the report, Garibaldi initially told officers he found his wounded cousin after hearing a gunshot. However, police say a witness described Garibaldi shooting Mendez.

The vest was found in the house with a projectile entrance hole, WTSP reported.

Garibaldi was held Sunday without bond on a manslaughter charge. Hillsborough County jail records didn’t show whether he had an attorney.

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Fla. man shot dead by cousin after asking if bulletproof vest works (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Sep 2016 OP
Guns. Ain't they grand? marble falls Sep 2016 #1
D'oh! Thanks, Florida Man! backscatter712 Sep 2016 #2
Because they could not test the vest Helen Borg Sep 2016 #3
Common sense Portland_Anni Sep 2016 #4
On a positive note, there was nothing wrong with the gun jberryhill Sep 2016 #5
Plus it's just one of those rare unavoidable accidents that happen from time to time! struggle4progress Sep 2016 #10
Yep, live and learn. Or, uh, well, yeah. jberryhill Sep 2016 #11
We should applaud their commitment to the scientific method! These guys could have just sat around struggle4progress Sep 2016 #12
Once the paper has made it through peer review... jberryhill Sep 2016 #13
Darwinism works. BSdetect Sep 2016 #6
... Garibaldi .. has been charged with manslaughter ... He also faces a felony charge struggle4progress Sep 2016 #7
Florida man wondered whether flak jacket ‘still worked’ struggle4progress Sep 2016 #8
"stopped fragments from high-explosive weapons, such as grenades and artillery" left-of-center2012 Sep 2016 #15
Tampa man shot by cousin was wearing flak jacket struggle4progress Sep 2016 #9
"Son of a bitch!!!" Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2016 #14

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
2. D'oh! Thanks, Florida Man!
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 06:16 AM
Sep 2016

Something to note: bullet-resistant vests (as this story show, there's no such thing as "bulletproof&quot have different ratings.

The ones you wear under clothing might only resist the lower-caliber rounds, like a 22, or a 9mm.

The ones the military wear cannot be worn under clothing, and have ceramic plates in them - those are the ones designed to resist rounds from rifles.

My guess is that Florida Man used a high-powered handgun, like a 44 magnum, and shot it at the guy and a vest not designed to resist such a round. Either that or it was an old vest, had a lot of wear and tear. When they're exposed to water, get worn out over time, and so on, they degrade.

Portland_Anni

(164 posts)
4. Common sense
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 06:44 AM
Sep 2016

Really, I always thought of it ad a no brainer that one never shot at another human being regardless of protection they may be wearing.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
5. On a positive note, there was nothing wrong with the gun
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 07:04 AM
Sep 2016

So, let's not focus on the half of the apparatus which failed.

struggle4progress

(118,273 posts)
10. Plus it's just one of those rare unavoidable accidents that happen from time to time!
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 09:49 AM
Sep 2016

I really couldn't find any other cases of a man accidentally shot dead by his cousin after confusing an old flak jacket with a bullet-proof vest and being overcome with curiosity about whether it would save his life if someone shot him point-blank

struggle4progress

(118,273 posts)
12. We should applaud their commitment to the scientific method! These guys could have just sat around
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 10:02 AM
Sep 2016

drinking and spouting bullshizz. Nothing would have come of that. Instead, they have conducted an informative experiment from which everyone can benefit: knowledge marches on!

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
13. Once the paper has made it through peer review...
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 10:20 AM
Sep 2016

...and is published in the Journal of the American Society of Responsible Gun Owners, I am sure that the world will be a better place.

struggle4progress

(118,273 posts)
8. Florida man wondered whether flak jacket ‘still worked’
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 09:38 AM
Sep 2016

TOBIAS SALINGER
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Monday, September 12, 2016, 2:23 PM

... Investigators also found the bullet-holed flak jacket, which is the common name for the fragmentation protective vests often worn by soldiers during World War II and the Korean and Vietnam wars. Police had initially reported Mendez was wearing a bulletproof vest.

The earlier form of body armor stopped fragments from high-explosive weapons, such as grenades and artillery, and predated bulletproof vests. Bullets pierce most flak jackets, police spokesman Steve Hegarty told the Tampa Bay Times ...


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/florida-man-fatally-shot-flak-jacket-worked-article-1.2788933

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
15. "stopped fragments from high-explosive weapons, such as grenades and artillery"
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 10:31 AM
Sep 2016

Cousin: "There's never any grenades or artillery around when you need them !"

struggle4progress

(118,273 posts)
9. Tampa man shot by cousin was wearing flak jacket
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 09:40 AM
Sep 2016

Tony Marrero, Times Staff Writer
Monday, September 12, 2016 11:07am

... Flak jackets are a form of body protection meant to stop fragments from high explosive weaponry such as grenades. They are not designed to stop a bullet. Police had initially reported that Mendez, 23, was wearing a bullet-resistant vest but after further investigation determined it was a flak jacket, police spokesman Steve Hegarty said ...

Hegarty didn't have more details about the vest, such as where it came from and how old it is. But flak jackets are outdated pieces of equipment that were replaced decades ago by more advanced body armor that can stop bullets ...


http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/tampa-man-shot-by-cousin-was-wearing-flak-jacket-not-a-bullet-resistant/2293238

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