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Eugene

(61,807 posts)
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 08:26 AM Sep 2016

The ‘five-second rule’ for eating food? Scientists just demonstrated how gross it is.

Source: Washington Post

The ‘five-second rule’ for eating food? Scientists just demonstrated how gross it is.

By Ben Guarino September 13

Imagine it’s lunch. You are holding a fat slice of watermelon. It looks delicious. You move in for a bite. But something goes terribly wrong. The fruit slips from your juice-slicked fingers. Time slows as the nutritious treat tumbles to the linoleum.

Eh. You shrug, scooping up the slice. Maybe you make a halfhearted attempt to brush it clean. Maybe you even invoke that childhood decree — the five-second rule — as you sink your teeth into its melon flesh.

If you are unfamiliar with the rule, if you were never a klutzy fourth-grader with a sweet tooth and a fistful of M&Ms, it is simply this: If you drop food to the ground, you have a five-second window to pick it up and the snack will remain clean enough to eat.

Like most ideas concocted in cafeterias where the French toast sticks are haute cuisine, this rule does not hold up under intelligent, or basically any, scrutiny — including a new study published in the journal Applied and Environmental Microbiology.

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Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/09/13/the-five-second-rule-for-eating-food-scientists-just-demonstrated-how-gross-it-is/

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Related: Longer Contact Times Increase Cross-Contamination of Enterobacter aerogenes from Surfaces to Food (Applied and Environmental Microbiology)

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The ‘five-second rule’ for eating food? Scientists just demonstrated how gross it is. (Original Post) Eugene Sep 2016 OP
I was in a Pizza Hut madaboutharry Sep 2016 #1
She probably did that kid a favor. That kid will probably grow up with a strong immune system Maru Kitteh Sep 2016 #22
I was thinking about the bacteria tracked back from madaboutharry Sep 2016 #23
I agree it's gross, but feces are everywhere. Maru Kitteh Sep 2016 #24
I totally agree. Eat shit and don't die. Atman Sep 2016 #32
I was SO with you right up until that last word. Maru Kitteh Sep 2016 #35
+1 LanternWaste Sep 2016 #37
oh, stop being such a pu.... just kidding. i agree. nt TheFrenchRazor Sep 2016 #39
The key figure from the article: Buzz Clik Sep 2016 #2
Looks like watermelon would be a great cleaning agent. Picks up all contaminants instantaneously. Kablooie Sep 2016 #14
"Why is everything in your kitchen all sticky?" A HERETIC I AM Sep 2016 #40
I've never heard anyone invoke it as an actual rule Orrex Sep 2016 #3
^this nt cyberswede Sep 2016 #8
+1000 Blue_Tires Sep 2016 #11
Indeed, it's always said tongue in cheek alcibiades_mystery Sep 2016 #26
Yes radical noodle Sep 2016 #29
Next, I hope they test the adage; the quickest way to a man's heart is thru his stomach. FSogol Sep 2016 #33
Germs transfer on contact....germs don't move or climb pipoman Sep 2016 #4
Unless I'm eating in a literal pigpen Codeine Sep 2016 #5
That is an incorrect assumption. Buzz Clik Sep 2016 #16
Agreed - with a few caveats: if what is dropped is "wet", it gets tossed. However, jonno99 Sep 2016 #28
Hehehehhe malaise Sep 2016 #31
Again ewww...that's just wrong. I mean, folks SPIT on the sidewalks. blechhh! nt jonno99 Sep 2016 #34
Mythbusters did this years ago....little late to the game LOL snooper2 Sep 2016 #6
Sort of. Buzz Clik Sep 2016 #17
Filed under things I will never forget malaise Sep 2016 #7
Ewww... well, dropped ice-cream violates my "wet" rule - so it's tossed (reply #28). jonno99 Sep 2016 #30
I thought the 5 second rule was about getting the food before your dog milestogo Sep 2016 #9
A three-second dog would starve in my house Brother Buzz Sep 2016 #13
And a dog corollary to that rule: Eat it quickly. If it is not food, throw it up later. Buzz Clik Sep 2016 #18
My dog recommends your post. former9thward Sep 2016 #19
And if it still seems to be food, try again. hunter Sep 2016 #21
Made me laugh n/t sammythecat Sep 2016 #20
ain't nothing killed me yet. maxsolomon Sep 2016 #10
I have a friend who's a microbiologist Orrex Sep 2016 #12
I guess that's one way to get more fiber. nt pinboy3niner Sep 2016 #15
I worked with an Infectious Diseases physician who did that. Avalux Sep 2016 #25
Mythbusters did a better job Warpy Sep 2016 #27
You break the news to my dog. JonathanRackham Sep 2016 #36
The "Five-seconds rule" has served me well these many years. JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2016 #38
Fuck science. You never leave a man behind. Especially if his name is Glassunion Sep 2016 #41
Well of course jcgoldie Sep 2016 #42
the five second rule does not apply to fruit Skittles Sep 2016 #43
Thanks for posting! burrowowl Sep 2016 #44

madaboutharry

(40,190 posts)
1. I was in a Pizza Hut
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 08:31 AM
Sep 2016

and saw a mom pick a slice of pizza up off the floor and give it back to her 3 year old girl. It took every once of will in me to keep me from saying something. Maybe I should have.

Maru Kitteh

(28,313 posts)
22. She probably did that kid a favor. That kid will probably grow up with a strong immune system
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 02:57 PM
Sep 2016

and fewer worries about allergies.

Like many other things, our immune system is strengthened with use.

Sterility leads to atrophy and inadequacy, and over-reactions.

Unless the Pizza Hut floor was covered with asbestos or lead paint chips, I wouldn't sweat it too much.

madaboutharry

(40,190 posts)
23. I was thinking about the bacteria tracked back from
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 03:13 PM
Sep 2016

the bathroom floor on the bottom of people's shoes.

I know over sanitizing isn't the greatest approach, but eating food picked up off the floor in a public place is kind of gross.

Maru Kitteh

(28,313 posts)
24. I agree it's gross, but feces are everywhere.
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 03:16 PM
Sep 2016

Once you allow the horror to wash over you, it's not quite as frightening anymore.



Atman

(31,464 posts)
32. I totally agree. Eat shit and don't die.
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 03:56 PM
Sep 2016

Seriously...we've become a society of paranoid loons. Eat some germs. They will STRENGTHEN your immune system. The people constantly dousing their kids with anti-bacterial sprays usually have the the peanut-allergy, everything-allergy weiner nerd kids. Let them get dirty! Let them kiss frogs and hug dogs and live life. We've become a nation of total pussies.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
2. The key figure from the article:
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 08:47 AM
Sep 2016


You could make a case that dropping food (other than watermelon) on carpet or gummy candy on any surface might follow the 5-second rule, but it depends upon the level of risk you're willing to accept.

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
3. I've never heard anyone invoke it as an actual rule
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 09:11 AM
Sep 2016

Every single time I've ever heard it was in a "I'm going to rationalize the fact that this is full of germs because I still want to eat it" sort of way.

I like that they've run a formal study on it, but who seriously thought that the five-second rule was a real thing?

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
11. +1000
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 11:54 AM
Sep 2016

And even then, I've never heard that "rule" invoked anywhere past say, third or fourth graders...

radical noodle

(7,997 posts)
29. Yes
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 03:48 PM
Sep 2016

Similar to saying that if the cookie is already broken, there are no calories left in it. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
4. Germs transfer on contact....germs don't move or climb
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 09:12 AM
Sep 2016

Therefore there isn't more germs after 20 seconds than there is after 1 second...

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
5. Unless I'm eating in a literal pigpen
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 09:41 AM
Sep 2016

I'm pretty sure nothing on the floor is likely to kill me. I've spent the last 46 years retrieving the occasionally- dropped morsel from the floor with no issues.

Real cross-contamination happens in the kitchen, before you ever have a chance to drop your sammich on the ground.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
16. That is an incorrect assumption.
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 01:25 PM
Sep 2016

God awful bacteria and viruses can be tracked in on shoes or the feet of pets. Various pathogens cling to clothing and hair. When ill, some pathogens immediately form aerosols upon the flushing of a toilet, and these aerosols settle on all surfaces.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
28. Agreed - with a few caveats: if what is dropped is "wet", it gets tossed. However,
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 03:46 PM
Sep 2016

if it's "dry" I'll blow it off and continue on - as long as I'm in a "known good" location (friends, family, etc.).

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
17. Sort of.
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 01:32 PM
Sep 2016

Myth Busters' experiments were quite different than those in the paper:
1) One kind of surface only
2) Only two kinds of food
3) Only two short time periods
4) General colony counts from the floor rather than selecting out a pathogen
5) No replication, no statistical analysis.

malaise

(268,693 posts)
7. Filed under things I will never forget
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 10:26 AM
Sep 2016

A group of us were at this delicious ice cream place on 57th Street in Manhattan way back in the early 70s. It was a very very hot July afternoon and the line was very long. This woman bought hers and was licking away when the ice cream literally fell from the cone. She bent down, picked it up, replaced it on the cone and continued licking. I no longer wanted ice cream.

sammythecat

(3,568 posts)
20. Made me laugh n/t
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 01:57 PM
Sep 2016

Not a LOL though. It was more a LTM (laugh to myself).

Off topic but, now that I think of it, I don't think I've ever had, in my whole life, a ROFL. Hope I get one someday. Sounds like a good time.

maxsolomon

(33,244 posts)
10. ain't nothing killed me yet.
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 11:47 AM
Sep 2016

I'm not picking food up off the sidewalk, but GMAFB - I clean my house regularly. We have immune systems and f-tons of symbiotic bacteria that live on and in us.

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
12. I have a friend who's a microbiologist
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 12:28 PM
Sep 2016

As he once put it: "The dirtiest thing we eat today is cleaner than the cleanest thing they ate a century ago."

Not sure that it's 100% accurate, but I think of it every time I retrieve a potato chip from the carpet.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
25. I worked with an Infectious Diseases physician who did that.
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 03:34 PM
Sep 2016

I remember one time in particular, he dropped a piece of chicken in the break room, picked it up off the floor and ate it. He joked that it was good for the immune system.

Warpy

(111,141 posts)
27. Mythbusters did a better job
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 03:38 PM
Sep 2016

Anything wet or oily is going to be completely contaminated if it falls on a contaminated surface like a floor. Dry things like pills or dry roasted nuts stay relatively clean and a simple wipe will dislodge any bugs they pick up.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,321 posts)
38. The "Five-seconds rule" has served me well these many years.
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 05:10 PM
Sep 2016

I'm not going to listen to some sciencey whippersnapper.

What doesn't kill you ...

jcgoldie

(11,612 posts)
42. Well of course
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 09:03 PM
Sep 2016

Everyone knows its a THREE second rule. Who knows what creepy crawly shit is getting off the floor onto your food during those extra 2 seconds! Sheesh!

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